In heaven we will have a body of flesh and blood. Very interesting because angels can take on human form

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posthuman

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When Jesus returns, our souls will come with him, as 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 says
How do you imagine that to look, functionally?
from the perspective of the unsaved, for example -

a bunch of Christians just suddenly drop dead? evacuated corpses littering the earth?

they blame vaccines?

just curious.
it's mysterious
 
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The word "soma" implies a physical body.
The adjective "spiritual" does not mean that body is a spirit, else the word "body" would be superfluous at best and contradictory at worst.

Christ bodily arose. He specifically proved to the disciples that He was flesh, not a spirit, after His resurrection. for me that is enough to know that denying a physical resurrection is misinterpretation.
He is The Firstborn and we will be raised in the same way, incorruptible - our bodies cleansed of all sin just as our souls have been.
Romans 8: this is the very hope in which we were saved, the redemption - not the destruction - of our bodies.
Before Christ was born through Mary… What type of body do you believe He had?
 

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I like another interpretation of the beginning of Genesis 6 better. That idea is that the two groups are the descendants of Cain (daughters) and those who descended from Adan through Seth (sons of God). The latter were the believing line who mixed with the unbelieving Cain's line to make the earth so wicked. This interpretation is the best because it takes into account the previous context describing those two lines.
Mixing believers and unbelievers do not create giants. You're also assuming angels cannot procreate. Nothing in the bible says they cannot.
 
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So is the body of Christ before His resurrection the same as after with some changes? Or is it a different body altogether?
 
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What do the scars prove?
The scars would seem to indicate He raised the same body that received the wounds… But according to many, that is not the resurrected body. Why would an immortal body have scars? I have scars, will I have them when resurrected?
 

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Mixing believers and unbelievers do not create giants. You're also assuming angels cannot procreate. Nothing in the bible says they cannot.
"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Genesis 6:1-2. The first group MEN are separate from the Sons of GOD. They are not the same group.
 

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"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Genesis 6:1-2. The first group MEN are separate from the Sons of GOD. They are not the same group.
Are daughters the same?
 

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But according to many, that is not the resurrected body.
i don't happen to be among that particular many lol

Why would an immortal body have scars? I have scars, will I have them when resurrected?
That's a great couple of questions i don't know the answers to.

i know that partly, for Thomas the scars were there to prove the deity of Christ he confessed.

why did the physical resurrection of Jesus in the exact body He was incarnated in prove to Thomas that Christ is God?
 

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Before Christ was born through Mary… What type of body do you believe He had?
i am not sure it makes any sense to phrase this question this way.
He was slain before the foundations of the world - yet He didn't appear until "just the right time"
Previously He had eaten with Abraham yet refused to eat with Manoah, then used eating to prove to the apostles He was raised as flesh, not a spirit.
and He is completely unconstrained by time: time is a created thing, created by Him Himself, one of the pillars of the world. so all questions involving 'before' and 'after' - our language simply fails.

i think i know what you hope i will be forced to say, but i know that's inaccurate and i simply don't have an answer to the question the way it's presented.

honesty: still the best policy when one is ignorant.
 

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I believe this is only speaking about the daughters of Adam.
same, daughters means daughters.

sometimes "man" referes to people irrespective of gender but when a female gender is used, it means a female - and in type always or almost always a religious institution or a nation.

but that said, as i said previously while i do see scripture as implying allegorical interpretation, that never sets aside the literal also being true unless we are specifically told we are reading an account of a vision or dream etc in which none of it is understood to be historical events.

so daughters of men literally means daughters, historically as fact, and it is also an allegory of nations and religions, in my view.
 
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i don't happen to be among that particular many lol



That's a great couple of questions i don't know the answers to.

i know that partly, for Thomas the scars were there to prove the deity of Christ he confessed.

why did the physical resurrection of Jesus in the exact body He was incarnated in prove to Thomas that Christ is God?
Wouldn't that mean Christ did not resurrect into
i don't happen to be among that particular many lol



That's a great couple of questions i don't know the answers to.

i know that partly, for Thomas the scars were there to prove the deity of Christ he confessed.

why did the physical resurrection of Jesus in the exact body He was incarnated in prove to Thomas that Christ is God?
The body Jesus had before is death, bleed, and got tired, and hungry…. If the resurrected body is “exactly” the same, it is subject to these same things… What kind of immortal body bleeds?
 
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same, daughters means daughters.

sometimes "man" referes to people irrespective of gender but when a female gender is used, it means a female - and in type always or almost always a religious institution or a nation.

but that said, as i said previously while i do see scripture as implying allegorical interpretation, that never sets aside the literal also being true unless we are specifically told we are reading an account of a vision or dream etc in which none of it is understood to be historical events.

so daughters of men literally means daughters, historically as fact, and it is also an allegory of nations and religions, in my view.
I’m not sure….‘the text says daughters of Adam.
 

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Wouldn't that mean Christ did not resurrect into


The body Jesus had before is death, bleed, and got tired, and hungry…. If the resurrected body is “exactly” the same, it is subject to these same things… What kind of immortal body bleeds?

i do not think His flesh could be punctured at all unless He willed and allowed it. but He sprinkled His blood on the altar, per Hebrews, so how did this happen? it happened after resurrection. so the blood was resurrected with Him? or it wasn't actually His blood? or... spirit Jesus retrieved physical Jesus's blood and brought it to heaven? or it wasn't 'real' blood but spirit blood? or....?


As far as what does it mean that The Fountain of Living Water says 'I thirst'???
wow ask me again later i need 10,000 years to think that over, ha!
 

posthuman

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is it 'ha-adam'? definitive article?

**checks**
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wow, interesting!

:coffee::unsure:

But because it's describing daughters is that the same as a regular noun Adam vs. man? or is 'ha' in this case linking to daughter instead of indicating it's the particular man Adam?

*sigh* first I need to learn to speak German; later, Hebrew. #lifegoals