Ukraine the bad guy?

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ZNP

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For those of you who want the short and skinny. Jack Prosobiec is former naval intelligence, well connected with the intelligence community. He has been exposing the child trafficking network in Ukraine for months and as a result Ukraine has put him on a hit list where they are threatening to send a kill squad to kill him, his wife and his children. These are the thugs that Joe Biden's crime family is supporting with your money.
 

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Why have we sent over $100 billion and there is no war powers act? Why has no one had a vote on this? Why has no one made a case to the US? Already they have crossed multiple red lines that Biden promised would never be crossed and now they are talking about sending US soldiers. Let's have a vote on this, let's hear Biden make a case for why Ukraine is not Vietnam, not Afghanistan, not Iraq. Explain to us why US national interests are at stake here.
 

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Department of Justice report on Ukranian mafia

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/198321.pdf

In September 2000, the head of the Kievpolice, Col-Gen Yuriy Smirnov, told a working meeting of the Kievpolice leadership and heads of district state administrations that Kiev had “become an asylum for rogues, prostitutes and drug addicts ”. Although four main criminal gangs had been dealt with, another 12 gangs continue to operate with around 60 enterprises, including some banks, under their control. The deputy interior minister of Ukraine, added that the authorities had proved helpless to deal with this, with the result that criminals were becoming stronger and more blatant. They have even “become sponsors, people’s deputies of all levels and speak on television ”. Perhaps most important of all, Smirnov noted that the Ministry of Interior’s directorate for combating organized crime had been compromised and that “protection ” for criminal gangs had been established. After a recent clash between criminal organizations one of the leaders had been informed that the police were seeking him (Chepurko 2000).
 
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It is a globalist plot to get western nations to send their money and military hardware and munitions there to be stolen and destroyed. both sides work for the same masters. And it is working as intended.
 

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I was done with you, but you can't quit me.
Oh, I thought you were done with the thread. I never said I was leaving the thread. I intend to bring all the receipts on the corruption and crimes that are being uncovered in Ukraine.
 

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Oh, I thought you were done with the thread. I never said I was leaving the thread. I intend to bring all the receipts on the corruption and crimes that are being uncovered in Ukraine.
I never said I was leaving the thread either, I was just done with this discussion with you.
 

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Oh, so what you meant was you wanted me to quit. Sorry, no intention spin master of the night.
No, that's not what I said. I said I was done with this particular conversation with you, not that I'm done with the thread or done with the channel. Feel free to continue with your "receipts", I won't be replying to any of that. Extra points to you though for the ad hominem.
 

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Jack Posobiec: “Hundreds Of Thousands Of Missing Children Coming Out Of Ukraine”

https://rumble.com/v3jbe8w-jack-pos...-of-missing-children-coming-out-of-ukrai.html
Zelensky admits at the UN that there are hundreds of thousands of children missing in Ukraine. So that is not a theory.

The question is who kidnapped them. No doubt Zelensky blames Russia.

But I ask, is this why they were so desperate to fight this war, sending $300 billion from the US, NATO and Europe to Ukraine? Are they terrified of the facts coming to light.

Even Zelensky admits this is clearly a genocide.

Look at the timing, days after one of the Child Trafficker's became a whistleblower saying Ukraine was harvesting the organs from these children.

Prosobiec has a whistleblowers testimony that is naming the names of people in the ministry of education in Ukraine who were involved in this kidnapping and harvesting of organs from children.

Should we believe him and Prosobiec? Ukraine obviously does, that is why they put his name on a hit list and threatened publicly to hunt him down and kill him.
 

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Prosobiec says that "Heart of Love" charity went into boarding schools in Ukraine, and that this was a front for child trafficking and organ trafficking of children.

He also says this has been known for decades.

Here is a USAID website

https://www.usaid.gov/ukraine/fact-sheet/dec-16-2022-trafficking-persons

Ukraine has been a source, transit, and destination country for human trafficking since the early 1990s. Men, women, and children are trafficked for the purposes of forced labor and begging and sexual and other forms of exploitation. The main countries of destination for trafficked Ukrainians have been the Russian Federation, Poland, and Turkey, as well as internal human trafficking within Ukraine. The problem has been exacerbated by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

Even before Russia’s invasion, Ukraine was already facing an increase in the scale of human trafficking caused by the COVID-19 pandemic and ongoing displacement from conflict-affected eastern Ukraine and occupied Crimea. The population is extremely vulnerable, an issue severely exacerbated by Russia’s invasion and the need for millions of people to leave their homes for safety in Ukraine and abroad. Fraudulent labor intermediaries/recruiters may take advantage of the war to exploit at-risk people.

Prior to Russia’s invasion in February 2022, the International Organization for Migration (IOM) Mission in Ukraine[1] estimated that more than 300,000 Ukrainians had suffered from human trafficking since 1991. An estimated 46,000 Ukrainians were trafficked during 2019-2021; 29,000 abroad and 17,000 in Ukraine.


Zelensky admits hundreds of thousands of children are missing. But we are supposed to believe they were all kidnapped in the last year by Russian military?
 

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According to Prosobiec they do DNA and blood work to determine who a match is. They put all this information on a "menu" so when an organ is needed they can immediately identify a suitable donor. They can then go and snatch them or they are keeping these kids in cages for when they need them.

One thing they do is with surrogate mothers. Rich people in the west hire a Ukrainian mother to be a surrogate. They do the tests on the fetus and if it is a match for what they are looking for they will report back that the "surrogate didn't work" when in reality it did work, they then put this baby in their control, and what they do with the organs is grisly.