I find it very sad when Christians put their opinions over scripture. Some examples.
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I understand your point. That 'reading into the text' (eisegesis) is very common. That's why I often direct people to the actual text of Scripture instead of to their interpretation of Scripture.
One suggestion I might offer: pick your battles. You aren't going to convince everyone every time, so save your energy for the times when it matters.
I found this:
So did Jonah repent? Yes and no. God never said, “Go to Nineveh and preach, and by the way, I want you to have a good attitude about it.” He just said, “Go and preach,” which is what Jonah did. But he never really liked the Ninevites, and he was really ticked at God for showing compassion on them.
Here’s the scary thing. It’s perfectly possible to obey God with a rotten attitude. And God may even bless our obedience just like he blessed Jonah’s obedience. As Paul pointed out in Philippians 1:15-18, some people preach the gospel out of bad motives, but Paul rejoiced that the gospel was preached even out of selfish ambition.
Right, so he couldn't just walk away. Anything outside of marriage is wrong. Bible makes clear the two become one flesh and that is saved for marriage.
I'm a cut to the chase kinda person. Are you saying Jonah is in hell today?! Because if you're not suggesting that, then ol' Jonah made his peace with the Lord before he left earth.
Before I take anyone's advice when it comes to the Word, I want to know who that person is. I could find very little on this man. But here is a video of his wedding. I'm guessing he's a prosperity preacher. Either way looking at the video, he's not a person I'd be going to for spiritual advice. I'm not into pastors who think they are celebrities.
" . . . lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled; lest there be any fornicator or profane person like Esau, who for one morsel of food sold his birthright. For you know that afterward, when he wanted to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought it diligently with tears." Hebrews 12:15-17
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That’s fine. He’s relatively new. He’s a full gospel street preacher/evangelizer who preaches everything from casting out demons, the blood of Christ, forgiveness, to repentance he works it all into his teachings . Richard isn’t your typical mold for what we know as a preacher in America . This guy is walking into Places like new age stores and evangelizing witches calling them to cast off their witchcraft. He goes to Muslim stores and try’s to reason with and evangelize Muslims. He has about a500 member congregation that God grew from a house church of 15. He’s a reformed drug dealer who before he went into Christianity he tried every other Religion and craft and those false gods failed. The only truth He found was in Christianity. That’s about all I know of him.
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In one way he did repent, He did the job god asked him to do. He hated doing it, but he did it. god did not require him to do with a joyful heart or to even be happy about it. He is in heaven.
He could walk away if the father would not allow the marriage. He only had to pay the bride's price. He was not put to death like other sexual sins.
Again, so we are cutting to the chase. Are we arguing for or against sex before marriage? I'm not going to condemn people who fall, and repent. But this touches a little close to home. I have been open about my heartbreak over my young nephew who at 18 got his girlfriend pregnant. This boy is like my own son. And when he asked me if I hated him because of his mistake, I told him I didn't, and neither did God. But now he is working 12 hr days all week preparing for a child. This is his very first job, he has nothing. So we really argue night and day what level of sin it is. And for adults I guess that is their decision to make. But for the youth I believe it's important to make the consequences clear. And if you hold them to a standard, you should be willing to live up to it yourself. I think the Bible is clear, the couple leave their parents, they marry, the two become one flesh.
it is our powerful natural selfish character to think, 1st, of our opinion because we want things our way. & we want attention, to be highlighted even thought the Christian voice in our mind says that the opinion is not right. it takes years of training & reconditioning to think "jesus" 1st.
Ok I figured I should at least listen to what he has to say. I'm kind of on the fence with what he is saying. But, my parents had an age set before we could date. It never mattered because my sister and I were in ministry and traveled so much we were never in one place long enough to know anyone. I see parents that let their kids date at young ages, the girl/boy friend becomes part of the family and everywhere the family goes, they go. My sister made this mistake, and she admits it. About six months ago this young lady came into my nephews life. Suddenly she was being treated as part of the family, showing up on every occasion. Now I have nothing against her. But I didn't think that was the right thing to do. So I do agree there needs to be a lot of parental supervision when it comes to dating, no serious relationships until a certain age ( young adult) and they become part of the family when they become engaged.
This is called "consequences" There are consequences to all of our actions. most churches harp on the sin of sex outside of marriage, almost nothing on the consequences. I've had friends who got a woman pregnant and married them. It did not end well. I've also had friends marry someone they should not have, and it did not end well. They did the purity thing and really did not know the person they married, and than it was too late.
I find it very sad when Christians put their opinions over scripture. Some examples.
Since You, seemingly do the same thing about Your interpretation of "Sexual Issues and the Bible," are You [sad] about Yourself?
Since You, seemingly do the same thing about Your interpretation of "Sexual Issues and the Bible," are You [sad] about Yourself?
I love the Book of Jonah. It truly "Shows" that GOD loves [[ALL]] of His Creation:
וַֽאֲנִי֙ לֹ֣א אָח֔וּס עַל־נִינְוֵ֖ה הָעִ֣יר הַגְּדוֹלָ֑ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר יֶשׁ־בָּ֡הּ הַרְבֵּה֩ מִֽשְׁתֵּים־עֶשְׂרֵ֨ה רִבּ֜וֹ אָדָ֗ם אֲשֶׁ֤ר לֹֽא־יָדַע֙ בֵּין־יְמִינ֣וֹ לִשְׂמֹאל֔וֹ וּבְהֵמָ֖ה רַבָּֽה׃
And should not I care about Nineveh, that great city, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand persons who do not yet know their right hand from their left, and many animals as well!”
In the Tanakh, the "last Verse" in the Scroll of Jonah, shows God expressing even His Love for many ANIMALS that reside in Ninevah.
btw, knowing how God loves, God forgave Jonah!
The Old Testament is different than the New.
King David hated every Enemy and expressed specifically for God to murder them in ways so horrific it would make David feel better. And not each time David expressed his hatred, do we see him repenting.
and we know that God called David a man after His Own heart and built His lineage from David.
That was how the LAW worked and how God infrastructure'd Salvation.
But in the New Testament, it becomes about "LOVE Your Enemy."
No Doubt, Jonah, is in Heaven and we shall meet him.
וַֽאֲנִי֙ לֹ֣א אָח֔וּס עַל־נִינְוֵ֖ה הָעִ֣יר הַגְּדוֹלָ֑ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר יֶשׁ־בָּ֡הּ הַרְבֵּה֩ מִֽשְׁתֵּים־עֶשְׂרֵ֨ה רִבּ֜וֹ אָדָ֗ם אֲשֶׁ֤ר לֹֽא־יָדַע֙ בֵּין־יְמִינ֣וֹ לִשְׂמֹאל֔וֹ וּבְהֵמָ֖ה רַבָּֽה׃
And should not I care about Nineveh, that great city, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand persons who do not yet know their right hand from their left, and many animals as well!”
In the Tanakh, the "last Verse" in the Scroll of Jonah, shows God expressing even His Love for many ANIMALS that reside in Ninevah.
btw, knowing how God loves, God forgave Jonah!
The Old Testament is different than the New.
King David hated every Enemy and expressed specifically for God to murder them in ways so horrific it would make David feel better. And not each time David expressed his hatred, do we see him repenting.
and we know that God called David a man after His Own heart and built His lineage from David.
That was how the LAW worked and how God infrastructure'd Salvation.
But in the New Testament, it becomes about "LOVE Your Enemy."
No Doubt, Jonah, is in Heaven and we shall meet him.
