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Edify

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Another of my pet peeves is many don't believe women are allowed to minister. Yet in some of their denominations they have women holding PHD's teaching in their seminaries teaching men & women how to study scripture properly, church history, & how to be good pastors.
Yep, they will allow women to take all the ministry classes their hearts desire & take their money for it & then won't let them preach. Definitely a double-standard.
 
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Edify said:
You can't be "of note" among the apostles because the bacon you fried is excellent.
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Well, that would be either "of note" or "notorious" - depending on whether the focus was on the fondness for the taste of bacon or the fact that Jews didn't eat pork. :D
 
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At the very least, mensay womendon't have the right to teach men,buuut they teach most of the Sunday School classes & some are Youth leaders. Isn't that a double standard when it's alright to teach their "men" under 18-21?
 
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Edify said:
At the very least, mensay womendon't have the right to teach men,buuut they teach most of the Sunday School classes & some are Youth leaders. Isn't that a double standard when it's alright to teach their "men" under 18-21?
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It is indeed a double standard. Don't bother asking for scriptural support for it though; there isn't any, as I'm sure you know. If the complementarians were consistent, they would make sure that any teachers of tweens (or older) were male.

Oh... wait... that would mean they would have to find qualified men to step up. Awkward. ;)
 
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Edify

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Dino246 said:
It is indeed a double standard. Don't bother asking for scriptural support for it though; there isn't any, as I'm sure you know. If the complementarians were consistent, they would make sure that any teachers of tweens (or older) were male.

Oh... wait... that would mean they would have to find qualified men to step up. Awkward. ;)
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That's the thing... it's alright to do this because they don't have men to teach, but they rather hire some greenhorn with pride issues to pastor, which is a grevious choice. It shows that such churches are both heavy-handed & immature at making spiritual decisions.
For instance... they see a SS teacher as "no big deal" or "not as important" when they actually are.
It's no wonder we're losing our last generations in church!
 
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Edify said:
That's the thing... it's alright to do this because they don't have men to teach, but they rather hire some greenhorn with pride issues to pastor, which is a grevious choice. It shows that such churches are both heavy-handed & immature at making spiritual decisions.
For instance... they see a SS teacher as "no big deal" or "not as important" when they actually are.
It's no wonder we're losing our last generations in church!
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Mhmm. And, unfortunately, most pastors don’t teach from the pulpit either; they spew ‘edifying messages’, leaving their congregations hungry for truth.
 
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I dont like the order that God created, so I will play word games with scripture that will allow me to circumvent His order.

Then we wonder.
 
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Locoponydirtman said:
I dont like the order that God created, so I will play word games with scripture that will allow me to circumvent His order.

Then we wonder.
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Indirect, but no less unmitigated and unfounded slander. Have you ever asked an egalitarian why they believe as they do instead of assuming they are biased from the outset?
 
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Indirect, but no less unmitigated and unfounded slander. Have you ever asked an egalitarian why they believe as they do instead of assuming they are biased from the outset?
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Get off the gas.
Does it matter why? Its bad teaching, or bad experience.
 
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Which you didn’t.
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Lets see... redefine one word so that we can misuse it in a single verse to make a doctrinal change to the way churches through out history have operated, in order to suit personal feelings about the subject.
Sounds about right.
 
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Locoponydirtman said:
Lets see... redefine one word so that we can misuse it in a single verse to make a doctrinal change to the way churches through out history have operated, in order to suit personal feelings about the subject.
Sounds about right.
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Asinine assumptions.
 
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Notice these verses with the words "among the" in them:

Matthew 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
Luke 24:5 And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?
John 7:35 Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?
Matthew 2:6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Acts 24:5 For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:
Acts 21:34 And some cried one thing, some another, among the multitude: and when he could not know the certainty for the tumult, he commanded him to be carried into the castle.
Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Matthew 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

You will find that where "among the" is, the noun after it means 'they were a part of them'. Men, princes of Juda, gentiles, Jews, it doesn't matter. The noun after these words are always the group they are a part of.

Are we all in agreement of this? Yes or no? Isn't this the general rule in the NT?
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As I was reading this I was thinking about “the man among the myrtil trees”
 
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