Question about The Masks
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It's actually a lifestyle choice, like wearing clothes. No particular reason at all.
As far as mandates go, i also brought up the second amendment when one is faced with mandates from the government that they don't like. I brought that up because people are proud of having a second amendment while condemning other countries who don't and say all kinds of irresponsible things along the way.
I also asked you a follow up question earlier about what you would do if you ran the world for a day but you didn't answer.
But let's take things one step at a time after this first journey of 8 pages so we can be more focused and self-aware.
So, the mask is purely worn because it looks good.
What's your reaction to that?
As far as mandates go, i also brought up the second amendment when one is faced with mandates from the government that they don't like. I brought that up because people are proud of having a second amendment while condemning other countries who don't and say all kinds of irresponsible things along the way.
I also asked you a follow up question earlier about what you would do if you ran the world for a day but you didn't answer.
But let's take things one step at a time after this first journey of 8 pages so we can be more focused and self-aware.
So, the mask is purely worn because it looks good.
What's your reaction to that?
Alright, it seems I'll have to start going through everything you say, in every post, point-by-point.
1. "Every thread on this forum and in the internet usually derails to something else. It just how the conversation goes so I’m not sure why you’re not familiar with this fact."
Analysis:
Here you seem to admit you go off topic, and derail threads, even the very threads you create, and you don't care in the least, and it's ok because you're just doing what everyone else does. And so apparently the standards you hold yourself to are something akin to,
"It's ok to just do what everyone else does... and it's even ok to just do whatever I CLAIM everyone else does."
Conclusions:
A. That implied conclusion (it's ok to just do what everyone else does) doesn't require me to rebut it's ethics or logic... as it falls by it's own weight without any push from me. If that's the foundation for your ethics... that's your choice.
B. It's well understood, on this forum, and on most others, that when you want to discuss a new topic, you should create a new thread. This isn't rocket science, it's just considered polite, and it helps to keep forums organized, clear, and focused.
C. If you, therefore, want your own threads to be impolite, disorganized, unclear, and unfocused... you are certainly free to mess up your own threads as much as you please until a mod says otherwise.
2. Your point number 2 and 3 are basically similar because you’re ignoring the fact that people from your own team use goading language all the time not just here but the internet usually. If you’re specific about this forum then you need to shut down the conspiracy forum IMMEDIATELY. Perhaps contact an administrator about that?
Analysis:
Here you simply dismiss my arguments entirely, and avoid them, because you cannot rebut them. You refuse to address my arguments, and you CHANGE THE SUBJECT to something else. People CHANGE THE SUBJECT when they've lost an argument. You accuse me of having some kind of team (which isn't established) and then you try to smear me indirectly by accusing that team of something... something which you never establish.
Conclusions:
A. Avoiding someone's arguments and then changing the subject, which you did here, is what people do when they have no answer... it's what people do when they've lost the argument. (People also change subjects randomly if they have a mental disorder, or a lack of intelligence to follow discussions. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're both stable and intelligent, and you simply keep doing this on purpose. However, if you want to blame this on a mental disorder, I'm willing to accept that defense.)
B. Avoiding someone's arguments, and changing the subject, is very deceptive, slippery, and irrational. It's not logical and it's not honest... it's the kind of thing politicians do. In any debate, when you change the subject rather than answering the challenges, you automatically lose on those points.
C. You also resort to phrases that are irrational logical fallacies, and which are obvious fallacies at face value, such as "all the time." Nothing happens here "all the time." Unless you want to give specific examples, you have yet to even verify something happens here "some of the time." But "all of the time" is an immediate loss, in any debate, because it's a logical fallacy... you are literally just making up crazy exaggerations which cannot even exist in the real world.
D. Trying to smear me indirectly by associating me with some kind of "team" is just irrational. You haven't verified I'm on this "team" or that I'm even on any team at all, and you certainly haven't verified anything this "team" has said or done. Again, this is another example of you being emotional, illogical, irrational, and just using crazy nonsense arguments to smear other people. For the record, I'll go ahead and mention that to smear someone by their associations, if such associations even exist, is another example of a logical fallacy.
E. Finally, you attempt one last "change of subject" even larger than the previous ones. You actually suggest I am somehow responsible for the entire forum, and that I need to shut it down if it's doing something unseemly. Once again, you're changing the subject, accusing me of something irrational nstead of answer my arguments, and responding with irrational and emotional answers.
F. Overall: you just continue to avoid all of my arguments, change the subject, accuse me of strange things, make irrational claims and irrational exaggerations, and give absolutely no evidence for anything you say. Almost every statement you make here is emotional, irrational, and illogical.
3. Finally, my response about police shootings was not directed at ZNP but the red team in general whose most common response is “He didn’t follow police instructions” when someone they don’t care about is shot.
Analysis:
You clarified who you directed your irrational statement toward, and that's good. But that still leaves us with an irrational statement. You are claiming the "red team" when considering police shootings, has the "most common response" of immediately saying the victim deserved it. That can't be supported by any evidence.
Conclusions:
A. You blame the "red team", when considering a police shooting, of having a "most common response" of saying "Well he didn't follow commands, so he deserved it." (That is your exact quote from post 108.)
B. First of all, to say something is the "most common response" is by definition a quantitative statement. It is making a numerical claim, of percentages, which can be measured and tested.
- The phrase "most common" either refers to a number greater than 50%, or it refers to a number that is greater than all other numbers in the same category.
- So you have to MEASURE AND PROVE that this comment ACTUALLY OCCURS greater than 50% of the time, or you have to MEASURE AND PROVE this comment occurs to a great extent than all other types of comments on the subject.
C. You clearly made a claim you cannot prove, and you cannot even come close to proving... because it's just emotional, hyperbolic, irrational nonsense.
D. Overall, you smear the entire "red team" as being completely heartless about police shootings, by FABRICATING FALSE CLAIMS, and STATING THEM AS ACTUAL FACTS, when you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, and you have no way to prove anything you said. You're just smearing the "red team" with emotional nonsense. Just smearing them.
Final Conclusions:
1.) You are free to come here, smear entire groups of people with irrational nonsense, claim things you can't prove, and be unbiblical, divisive, and illogical.
2.) However, I am also free to take apart every single thing you say, and prove every single thing you say is utterly irrational.
3.) If you want to take a step back, and put an end to this, by offering some plausible explanation, then I'll drop all of this. If you were to say something like, "Sorry I've been so emotional, I'm just stressed " then I'll be happy to let it go. You could say you're stressed about work, or life, or relationships, or that you haven't been sleeping, or you've been drinking, or your dog died, or whatever. If you want to take a step back, because you're stressed or something, I will be understanding and agreeable, and I'll be happy to drop all of this. We all go through weird times when we become extra emotional, or when we aren't ourselves.
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1. "Every thread on this forum and in the internet usually derails to something else. It just how the conversation goes so I’m not sure why you’re not familiar with this fact."
Analysis:
Here you seem to admit you go off topic, and derail threads, even the very threads you create, and you don't care in the least, and it's ok because you're just doing what everyone else does. And so apparently the standards you hold yourself to are something akin to,
"It's ok to just do what everyone else does... and it's even ok to just do whatever I CLAIM everyone else does."
Conclusions:
A. That implied conclusion (it's ok to just do what everyone else does) doesn't require me to rebut it's ethics or logic... as it falls by it's own weight without any push from me. If that's the foundation for your ethics... that's your choice.
B. It's well understood, on this forum, and on most others, that when you want to discuss a new topic, you should create a new thread. This isn't rocket science, it's just considered polite, and it helps to keep forums organized, clear, and focused.
C. If you, therefore, want your own threads to be impolite, disorganized, unclear, and unfocused... you are certainly free to mess up your own threads as much as you please until a mod says otherwise.
2. Your point number 2 and 3 are basically similar because you’re ignoring the fact that people from your own team use goading language all the time not just here but the internet usually. If you’re specific about this forum then you need to shut down the conspiracy forum IMMEDIATELY. Perhaps contact an administrator about that?
Analysis:
Here you simply dismiss my arguments entirely, and avoid them, because you cannot rebut them. You refuse to address my arguments, and you CHANGE THE SUBJECT to something else. People CHANGE THE SUBJECT when they've lost an argument. You accuse me of having some kind of team (which isn't established) and then you try to smear me indirectly by accusing that team of something... something which you never establish.
Conclusions:
A. Avoiding someone's arguments and then changing the subject, which you did here, is what people do when they have no answer... it's what people do when they've lost the argument. (People also change subjects randomly if they have a mental disorder, or a lack of intelligence to follow discussions. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're both stable and intelligent, and you simply keep doing this on purpose. However, if you want to blame this on a mental disorder, I'm willing to accept that defense.)
B. Avoiding someone's arguments, and changing the subject, is very deceptive, slippery, and irrational. It's not logical and it's not honest... it's the kind of thing politicians do. In any debate, when you change the subject rather than answering the challenges, you automatically lose on those points.
C. You also resort to phrases that are irrational logical fallacies, and which are obvious fallacies at face value, such as "all the time." Nothing happens here "all the time." Unless you want to give specific examples, you have yet to even verify something happens here "some of the time." But "all of the time" is an immediate loss, in any debate, because it's a logical fallacy... you are literally just making up crazy exaggerations which cannot even exist in the real world.
D. Trying to smear me indirectly by associating me with some kind of "team" is just irrational. You haven't verified I'm on this "team" or that I'm even on any team at all, and you certainly haven't verified anything this "team" has said or done. Again, this is another example of you being emotional, illogical, irrational, and just using crazy nonsense arguments to smear other people. For the record, I'll go ahead and mention that to smear someone by their associations, if such associations even exist, is another example of a logical fallacy.
E. Finally, you attempt one last "change of subject" even larger than the previous ones. You actually suggest I am somehow responsible for the entire forum, and that I need to shut it down if it's doing something unseemly. Once again, you're changing the subject, accusing me of something irrational nstead of answer my arguments, and responding with irrational and emotional answers.
F. Overall: you just continue to avoid all of my arguments, change the subject, accuse me of strange things, make irrational claims and irrational exaggerations, and give absolutely no evidence for anything you say. Almost every statement you make here is emotional, irrational, and illogical.
3. Finally, my response about police shootings was not directed at ZNP but the red team in general whose most common response is “He didn’t follow police instructions” when someone they don’t care about is shot.
Analysis:
You clarified who you directed your irrational statement toward, and that's good. But that still leaves us with an irrational statement. You are claiming the "red team" when considering police shootings, has the "most common response" of immediately saying the victim deserved it. That can't be supported by any evidence.
Conclusions:
A. You blame the "red team", when considering a police shooting, of having a "most common response" of saying "Well he didn't follow commands, so he deserved it." (That is your exact quote from post 108.)
B. First of all, to say something is the "most common response" is by definition a quantitative statement. It is making a numerical claim, of percentages, which can be measured and tested.
- The phrase "most common" either refers to a number greater than 50%, or it refers to a number that is greater than all other numbers in the same category.
- So you have to MEASURE AND PROVE that this comment ACTUALLY OCCURS greater than 50% of the time, or you have to MEASURE AND PROVE this comment occurs to a great extent than all other types of comments on the subject.
C. You clearly made a claim you cannot prove, and you cannot even come close to proving... because it's just emotional, hyperbolic, irrational nonsense.
D. Overall, you smear the entire "red team" as being completely heartless about police shootings, by FABRICATING FALSE CLAIMS, and STATING THEM AS ACTUAL FACTS, when you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, and you have no way to prove anything you said. You're just smearing the "red team" with emotional nonsense. Just smearing them.
Final Conclusions:
1.) You are free to come here, smear entire groups of people with irrational nonsense, claim things you can't prove, and be unbiblical, divisive, and illogical.
2.) However, I am also free to take apart every single thing you say, and prove every single thing you say is utterly irrational.
3.) If you want to take a step back, and put an end to this, by offering some plausible explanation, then I'll drop all of this. If you were to say something like, "Sorry I've been so emotional, I'm just stressed " then I'll be happy to let it go. You could say you're stressed about work, or life, or relationships, or that you haven't been sleeping, or you've been drinking, or your dog died, or whatever. If you want to take a step back, because you're stressed or something, I will be understanding and agreeable, and I'll be happy to drop all of this. We all go through weird times when we become extra emotional, or when we aren't ourselves.
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Maxwell, here is the problem with your "analysis".
I have a feeling that you're not being entirely honest with me.
You have been a member here since 2013 and you're telling me that you're not aware of threads derailing?
Why aren't you being honest with me?
Let's address this first before we go to your other points which we can take apart one by one.
I have a feeling that you're not being entirely honest with me.
You have been a member here since 2013 and you're telling me that you're not aware of threads derailing?
Why aren't you being honest with me?
Let's address this first before we go to your other points which we can take apart one by one.
1.) I wrote an extremely detailed response, that addressed every issue you raised, including this one.
2.) I've already wasted too much of my day explaining, in extreme detail, that you make wholly irrational arguments... and you're immediately doing it again.
Have a lovely day.
I'll pop back in whenever I notice you slandering people with irrational accusations.
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2.) I've already wasted too much of my day explaining, in extreme detail, that you make wholly irrational arguments... and you're immediately doing it again.
Have a lovely day.
I'll pop back in whenever I notice you slandering people with irrational accusations.
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Haha, no no nothing like that. There isn't any malicious intent when wearing a mask basically.
It's more of a thing like being at work in the office and i sit down, say good-morning to the group while having a mask on and getting ready to start the day like nothing has happened while having my blue mask on which matches with my shirt.
When you see that and you're sitting at the next cube over, would you have a problem with it?
It's more of a thing like being at work in the office and i sit down, say good-morning to the group while having a mask on and getting ready to start the day like nothing has happened while having my blue mask on which matches with my shirt.
When you see that and you're sitting at the next cube over, would you have a problem with it?
Yes, this term "mask" is far too vague. We have surgical masks, Halloween masks, masks used in construction, people who paint cars wear masks, sleeping masks, hydrogel masks, scrub masks, cream masks, scuba masks, etc. Then are we going to include the helmets that astronauts wear?
I have never heard of a mask being worn as a fashion statement, usually we just say you put a paper bag over your head.
I have never heard of a mask being worn as a fashion statement, usually we just say you put a paper bag over your head.
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They scan my badge before i get into the building. Everyone knows who i am. lol.
All right good, i'm glad we got past this part.
Now getting back to what you said later in the page regarding sneezing.
Besides the mask being a terrific fashion statement which i really like, it also happens to block any saliva when someone sneezes or talks in front of me.
Now i realize that the mask doesn't prevent any microscopic molecules, but it does prevent someone spitting on your nose while they're talking or if they happen to sneeze next to me.
So this fashionable mask also gives me some practical function.
As two other members mentioned early, this mask has been a thing in Asia for decades so maybe there might be an adjustment period here in the West too before it becomes a thing like wearing a tie.
Now getting back to my other question. What would you do about this mask situation if you ran the world for a day?
All right good, i'm glad we got past this part.
Now getting back to what you said later in the page regarding sneezing.
Besides the mask being a terrific fashion statement which i really like, it also happens to block any saliva when someone sneezes or talks in front of me.
Now i realize that the mask doesn't prevent any microscopic molecules, but it does prevent someone spitting on your nose while they're talking or if they happen to sneeze next to me.
So this fashionable mask also gives me some practical function.
As two other members mentioned early, this mask has been a thing in Asia for decades so maybe there might be an adjustment period here in the West too before it becomes a thing like wearing a tie.
Now getting back to my other question. What would you do about this mask situation if you ran the world for a day?