There will be no Rapture!!!
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I’ll be happy to join with you in singing the new song—IF you haven’t been zapped away by the first person who claims to be Jesus and performs a few miracles right before your eyes. Of course, I’d suggest you run for the hills to escape that one. He’ll be peaceful, promise you lots of goodies, etc., so it might be tempting to stick around and listen to him promise you that honeymoon.
Remember Matthew 24:21-24? Oh, that’s right. You don’t think you’ll be around—but just in case, remember Jesus’ warning, given to His disciples, to those He loved.
Remember Matthew 24:21-24? Oh, that’s right. You don’t think you’ll be around—but just in case, remember Jesus’ warning, given to His disciples, to those He loved.
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Really? Suffering is not my heart’s desire. My heart‘s desire is to do the will of my Father. I think you know that and just enjoy being sarcastic—not a fruit of the Spirit, may I remind you. There will be times when doing the will of my Father might involve my suffering, but His grace will be enough to get me through it. You are good practice.
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There you go again with your sarcasm—just like a broken record you are…. What absurd questions! Let me ask you one. When you are faced with a tragic loss, a terminal disease, a criminal or terrorist attack on you or your family, the loss of a limb in battle…. Do you whine to God that you didn’t deserve this? Do you beg Him to remove you from this life? Or do you rely on His promises?
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Why do you mock me? I am being serious. All post tribbers need to prepare for their extraordinary trials and pain, greater than at any time in history. You are gonna get it. The whole shebang. The works. Odds of physical survival will be very slight indeed.
As for sarcastic, think about this encounter:
God's one man who knows the truth vs Satan's entire clueless hobo camp
1Ki 18:27
And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
As for sarcastic, think about this encounter:
God's one man who knows the truth vs Satan's entire clueless hobo camp
1Ki 18:27
And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
My life and days were planned before I was born, and so were yours. He will lead me in the way everlasting. It’s all His plan, His design—not mine. Read Psalm 139 again if you don’t believe that. Know your Savior, @cv5 . Don’t be afraid of anything; nothing can harm what is His. I believe Jesus when He says, “Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell“ (Matthew 10:27-28). My soul belongs to God; I respect and trust in His plan. I know we disagree on what we believe that plan to be; I submit we will all have a few surprises. May God bless us all with deeper understanding—and May God bless YOU with a kinder, gentler spirit.
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That is NOT sarcasm, that is a legitimate serious question that needs to be addressed as it relates to post-tribbers doctrine and certain inevitable destiny.
If in fact going thru the tribulation requires risk, sacrifice and hardship, do those who take the greatest risk, make the greatest sacrifice and suffer the worst hardship obtain the greatest rewards?
And understand that I do agree with you: all post-tribbers WILL enter into God's wrath upon the earth. They have professed it, testified about it, and anticipate it.
If in fact going thru the tribulation requires risk, sacrifice and hardship, do those who take the greatest risk, make the greatest sacrifice and suffer the worst hardship obtain the greatest rewards?
And understand that I do agree with you: all post-tribbers WILL enter into God's wrath upon the earth. They have professed it, testified about it, and anticipate it.
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But it says Christ rules with a rod of iron during that 1000 years. There would never be the wickedness that has happened during the last 1000 years if Christ had reigned. The scripture cannot be broken and catches all false interpretations like your.
No new heaven, no new earth, no Jerusalem coming down from heaven, still a sea, every wall would have fallen, the pit would have been dug for the wicked, all the saints of the Old Testament would have been raised - Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Daniel, Job, Noah, etc.
No new heaven, no new earth, no Jerusalem coming down from heaven, still a sea, every wall would have fallen, the pit would have been dug for the wicked, all the saints of the Old Testament would have been raised - Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Daniel, Job, Noah, etc.
Here is the problem with gradualism: abrupt Biblical catastrophism and equally abrupt DOTL catastrophism
Flood of Noah.
Second Coming.
The latter invoking the former. So as to emphasize the EXTREME PERIL of their shocking devastating judgmental imminency.
Furthermore, "day and hour" does not mean epochs and millennia by any stretch of the imagination. Obviously.
Mat 24:36
“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
Mat 24:37
“But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Mat 24:38
“For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
Mat 24:39
“and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Mat 24:40
“Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left.
Mat 24:41
“Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.
Mat 24:42
“Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.
Mat 24:43
“But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.
Mat 24:44
“Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
Flood of Noah.
Second Coming.
The latter invoking the former. So as to emphasize the EXTREME PERIL of their shocking devastating judgmental imminency.
Furthermore, "day and hour" does not mean epochs and millennia by any stretch of the imagination. Obviously.
Mat 24:36
“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
Mat 24:37
“But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Mat 24:38
“For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
Mat 24:39
“and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Mat 24:40
“Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left.
Mat 24:41
“Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.
Mat 24:42
“Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.
Mat 24:43
“But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.
Mat 24:44
“Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
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That’s an interesting interpretation…
But it fits.
Genesis 7:24
And the waters prevailed on the earth 150 days. (5 months)
Revelation 9:5
And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months:
Revelation 9:10
And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
Coincidence? You be the judge.
Also… Matthew 24:39 as you stated…
“And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”
Another flood mentioned…
Revelation 12:15
And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
But it fits.
Genesis 7:24
And the waters prevailed on the earth 150 days. (5 months)
Revelation 9:5
And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months:
Revelation 9:10
And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
Coincidence? You be the judge.
Also… Matthew 24:39 as you stated…
“And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”
Another flood mentioned…
Revelation 12:15
And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
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Okay. Sincerely, I think you've been misinformed at some point. Consider:
Deuteronomy 4:30 When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto His voice;
Deuteronomy 4:31 (For the LORD thy God is a merciful GOD): He will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which He sware unto them.
We need to know there are two tribulations, not just one as is commonly taught. The first tribulation belongs to the AC/Satan when he appears on the earth to deceive all those who do not have the seal of God in their foreheads (mind), meaning they didn’t thoroughly study God’s Word.
Revelation 12:7 describes the first tribulation:
Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven; Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world; he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Satan will deceive the whole world, except for God's Elect. In verse 9 above, notice some of Satan’s names.
Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Yeah, death is certainly one of Satan’s names:
Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them, “Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
12:12 happens when Satan is physically cast out and appears as the Antichrist.
Revelation 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Revelation 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Revelation 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
And in Mark 13:
Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate; but whatsoever shall be given you that hour, that speak ye; for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Spirit.
This happens when God`s Elect are delivered up in the hour of temptation. This will be very close to the end of this flesh age when the Holy Spirit will speak through His Elect/Christians whereby the whole world will hear what the Holy Spirit is saying! The Gospel will be heard worldwide!
Mark 13:12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name`s sake; but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (Let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains:
Satan, the abomination of desolation, will set himself up in Jerusalem.
Mark 13:15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house;
Mark 13:16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
Mark 13:17 But woe ot them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mark 13:18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
We know that harvest time is in the summer, not winter; in other words, don’t be harvested out of season.
Mark 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
tribulation = affliction
Strong's # 2347
thlipsis, from 2346; pressure, ( Literally or figuratively); KJV—afflicted, anguish, burdened, persecution, tribulation, trouble.
This Tribulation is Satan’s Tribulation, and it will be like nothing that has ever happened since the beginning of time.
Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved; but for the elect`s sake, whom He hath chosen, He hath shortened the days.
Mark 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, He is there; believe him not;
Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Mark 13:23 But take ye heed; behold, I have foretold you all things.
Now get ready; here comes God’s wrath (the second tribulation). Notice that it says after that tribulation.
Mark 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
Mark 13:25 and the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
This is the second tribulation which happens at the 7th trump when Jesus Christ returns. This is God's tribulation (God’s wrath).
Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mark 13:27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
The four winds always signal the end. That's the second tribulation—God's tribulation, when the battle of Armageddon and Hamon-gog take place.
These battles will not last long, and we won’t be fighting them; God will fight these battles for us.
So there you have it—the two tribulations.
Deuteronomy 4:30 When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto His voice;
Deuteronomy 4:31 (For the LORD thy God is a merciful GOD): He will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which He sware unto them.
We need to know there are two tribulations, not just one as is commonly taught. The first tribulation belongs to the AC/Satan when he appears on the earth to deceive all those who do not have the seal of God in their foreheads (mind), meaning they didn’t thoroughly study God’s Word.
Revelation 12:7 describes the first tribulation:
Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven; Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Revelation 12:8 And prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world; he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Satan will deceive the whole world, except for God's Elect. In verse 9 above, notice some of Satan’s names.
Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Yeah, death is certainly one of Satan’s names:
Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them, “Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
12:12 happens when Satan is physically cast out and appears as the Antichrist.
Revelation 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Revelation 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Revelation 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
And in Mark 13:
Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate; but whatsoever shall be given you that hour, that speak ye; for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Spirit.
This happens when God`s Elect are delivered up in the hour of temptation. This will be very close to the end of this flesh age when the Holy Spirit will speak through His Elect/Christians whereby the whole world will hear what the Holy Spirit is saying! The Gospel will be heard worldwide!
Mark 13:12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name`s sake; but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (Let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains:
Satan, the abomination of desolation, will set himself up in Jerusalem.
Mark 13:15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house;
Mark 13:16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
Mark 13:17 But woe ot them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mark 13:18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
We know that harvest time is in the summer, not winter; in other words, don’t be harvested out of season.
Mark 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
tribulation = affliction
Strong's # 2347
thlipsis, from 2346; pressure, ( Literally or figuratively); KJV—afflicted, anguish, burdened, persecution, tribulation, trouble.
This Tribulation is Satan’s Tribulation, and it will be like nothing that has ever happened since the beginning of time.
Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved; but for the elect`s sake, whom He hath chosen, He hath shortened the days.
Mark 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, He is there; believe him not;
Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Mark 13:23 But take ye heed; behold, I have foretold you all things.
Now get ready; here comes God’s wrath (the second tribulation). Notice that it says after that tribulation.
Mark 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
Mark 13:25 and the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
This is the second tribulation which happens at the 7th trump when Jesus Christ returns. This is God's tribulation (God’s wrath).
Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mark 13:27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
The four winds always signal the end. That's the second tribulation—God's tribulation, when the battle of Armageddon and Hamon-gog take place.
These battles will not last long, and we won’t be fighting them; God will fight these battles for us.
So there you have it—the two tribulations.
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Thanks buddy. Hope you are ready for your entry into the greatest of all times of tribulation in the history of the world.
So bad that if the days were not cut short no flesh would be spared.
The demon hordes sound especially horrifying. Seriously. Bad. Like outside your house terrorizing the occupants. Shotguns and baseball bats are useless.
So bad that if the days were not cut short no flesh would be spared.
The demon hordes sound especially horrifying. Seriously. Bad. Like outside your house terrorizing the occupants. Shotguns and baseball bats are useless.
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The only scriptural answer to your question besides the promises of eternal life is this:
Revelation 19:6-8
6 And I heard, as it were, the voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thunderings, saying, “Alleluia! For the Lord God Omnipotent reigns! 7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.” 8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
Revelation 19:6-8
6 And I heard, as it were, the voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thunderings, saying, “Alleluia! For the Lord God Omnipotent reigns! 7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.” 8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
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Thanks for the feedback buddy I appreciate it. I will be monitoring your frequency friend.
And no, I have never made any claim about anyone's salvation status.
Ever. Not once in all my time here.
Only God, the Righteous Judge, has the omniscient wisdom to determine who is saved and who is not.
I leave all of this business of judgement to the Almighty and Him alone.
And no, I have never made any claim about anyone's salvation status.
Ever. Not once in all my time here.
Only God, the Righteous Judge, has the omniscient wisdom to determine who is saved and who is not.
I leave all of this business of judgement to the Almighty and Him alone.
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