There will be no Rapture!!!

[LightOfMyLife]

The rapture is when the Hesalian species of aliens teleport us to their homeworld.





JK. The rapture is when Jesus returns, not space aliens, though we will not know the hour or the date, or if the rapture happens pre or post trib. It is best that we focus on the now, and try to help those around us, such as the poor, and help those who have turned away from Christ return, and accept Jesus into their hearts.

It is pre because scripture tells us in I Thessalonians 4:14-18, and I Corinthians 15:51-54.

 

[SanderB]

It is pre because scripture tells us in I Thessalonians 4:14-18, and I Corinthians 15:51-54.

Yeah, so, why do people debate pre/post trib if it is supposedly written out in the Bible as pre trib? This thread shouldn't even be here, if everyone hypothetically agreed it was pre trib.

 

[Truthnightmare]

They didn't accept Jesus as their personal Savior so they are left behind with the ac and false prophet. The ones who refuse the mark of the beast are called tribulation saints, and scripture tells us they will be beheaded for their faith.

I have a problem with that…..

Matthew 24
except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened

God shortened the tribulation for the elects sake, are you telling me the elects didn’t except Jesus?

What about….
Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations

Who are these saints? They’re not people who have not come to Jesus. They are already saints.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I also noticed that Genesis 7:24
And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days. 5 months

Revelation 9;5
And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months

good catch

 

[Truthnightmare]

They didn't accept Jesus as their personal Savior so they are left behind with the ac and false prophet. The ones who refuse the mark of the beast are called tribulation saints, and scripture tells us they will be beheaded for their faith.

And If these so called tribulation saints are beheaded… Who are these people which came out of the tribulation?

13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

 

[cv5]

I have a problem with that…..

Matthew 24
except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened

God shortened the tribulation for the elects sake, are you telling me the elects didn’t except Jesus?

What about….
Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations

Who are these saints? They’re not people who have not come to Jesus. They are already saints.

You do realize that Matt 24 is speaking primarily (with the exception of the 70AD verse 2) to the 70th week of Daniel "time of Jacobs trouble". Right? And the target audience are all Israelites. Right?

There is not one Christian is sight in Matt 24 buddy. And you did not know that?

Dan 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

 

[cv5]

I have a problem with that…..

Matthew 24
except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened

God shortened the tribulation for the elects sake, are you telling me the elects didn’t except Jesus?

What about….
Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations

Who are these saints? They’re not people who have not come to Jesus. They are already saints.

Here you go man. Quite an eye-opener. This particular issue is YET ANOTHER cause of massive confusion regarding the Olivet Discourse.

 

[DRobinson]

You do realize that Matt 24 is speaking primarily (with the exception of the 70AD verse 2) to the 70th week of Daniel "time of Jacobs trouble". Right? And the target audience are all Israelites. Right?

There is not one Christian is sight in Matt 24 buddy. And you did not know that?

Dan 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Your understanding of Scripture is much worse than I though.
Don't know who you are listening to or reading after but you should stop.

 

[cv5]

Looks like the "red X" guy needs his blanky, soother and warm milk. He seems pretty colicky.
And that other "giggle" guy is off his meds. Or on. Not sure which.

 

[Truthnightmare]

You do realize that Matt 24 is speaking primarily (with the exception of the 70AD verse 2) to the 70th week of Daniel "time of Jacobs trouble". Right? And the target audience are all Israelites. Right?

There is not one Christian is sight in Matt 24 buddy. And you did not know that?

Dan 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Where is the article depicting “Israelites”
as subject and object?

 

[LightOfMyLife]

Yeah, so, why do people debate pre/post trib if it is supposedly written out in the Bible as pre trib? This thread shouldn't even be here, if everyone hypothetically agreed it was pre trib.

The reason being is some people interpret scripture incorrectly.

 

[SanderB]

The reason being is some people interpret scripture incorrect.

Yeah, so why did someone give you a red x in a circle?

 

[LightOfMyLife]

Yeah, so why did someone give you a red x in a circle?

Because they don't agree like I said people interpret scripture differently.

 

[SanderB]

Because they don't agree like I said people interpret scripture differently.

Yeah, so it is best that we focus on the now, and not worry about the future.

 

[Truthnightmare]

The reason being is some people interpret scripture incorrectly.

My point is, every time I show, elects, or saints, or people with the seal of God, or fellow brethren in the tribulation, the response is always, these are people who came to Christ after the rapture.

But the elects don’t come to Christ during the tribulation… observe.
Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love

These people “elects” were holy long before any tribulation.

 

[LightOfMyLife]

My point is, every time I show, elects, or saints, or people with the seal of God, or fellow brethren in the tribulation, the response is always, these are people who came to Christ after the rapture.

But the elects don’t come to Christ during the tribulation… observe.
Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love

These people “elects” were holy long before any tribulation.

Saints are born again believers who accepted Jesus as their personal Savior. We are indwelled with the Spirit and sealed until the day of redemption.

 

[cv5]

Where is the article depicting “Israelites”
as subject and object?

Where is the article depicting “Christians” as subject and object?

You know, @presidente came up with this little gem. It's along the same lines of supposed (cough cough) "reasoning".
I mean......doesn't it just leave you gob smacked?

presidente said:
Show me in the book of Revelation where 'pretribulational rapture' is mentioned

 

[cv5]

My point is, every time I show, elects, or saints, or people with the seal of God, or fellow brethren in the tribulation, the response is always, these are people who came to Christ after the rapture.

But the elects don’t come to Christ during the tribulation… observe.
Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love

These people “elects” were holy long before any tribulation.

Ahhhh.....is Moses "elect"? How about Abraham?
Same goes for the tribulation saints and the 144,000 Israelite "virgins". Easy peasy.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Saints are born again believers who accepted Jesus as their personal Savior. We are indwelled with the Spirit and sealed until the day of redemption.

It’s nice to speak with Lightofmylife.

Let me ask you about these people.
In Revelation Chp 6 the seals are opened and the 4 horseman of the apocalypse are being released. And they are causing all kind of trouble on the earth.

At the 5th seal….

9And when the Lamb opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony they had upheld. 10And they cried out in a loud voice, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You avenge our blood and judge those who dwell upon the earth?”

11Then each of them was given a white robe and told to rest a little while longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers, were killed, just as they had been killed.

Why are there fellow brethren on the earth? these aren’t people who have not come to Christ, they are fellow brethren, believers, why have they not been raptured?

 

[cv5]

Because they don't agree like I said people interpret scripture differently.

It doesn't take a genius to recognize that the smartest people in the room just happen to also be pre-tribbers.
Some (many? most? all?) of the post-tribber offerings are frankly appalling. As in totally embarrassing cringeworthy epic fail.

And....as you can see, the post-tribbers just happen to also be holed up in the "red-X" and "giggle" hobo camp too.