How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

[ResidentAlien]

the fact that so many missed it and continue to deny it is astounding. but here we are 2000 years after He lived the Psalm with still nearly no one comprehending it. and others who try to suppress it, since it proves the truth of Scripture old and new concerning the Son being Messiah beyond any doubt.

We get it, you smart everyone else dumb. I'm sorry for being so stupid.

 

[TheLearner]

so no this does not prove that Jesus is God the son because you know why then you will be admitting that Jesus has his begginigs i.e the Son came after the Father and not eternal as people say....and the answer is in that Hebrews 1 still and psalms ...I will use psalms to help abit

Psalms 2:7 I will proclaim the Lord’s decree:

He said to me, “You are my son;
today I have become your father

so it means that the son was not the son always there is the beginning of sonship which leads me to believe that this is not a separate person after all


Hebrews 5:1-5

"Every high priest is selected from among the people and is appointed to represent the people in matters related to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins. 2 He is able to deal gently with those who are ignorant and are going astray, since he himself is subject to weakness. 3 This is why he has to offer sacrifices for his own sins, as well as for the sins of the people. 4 And no one takes this honor on himself, but he receives it when called by God, just as Aaron was.

5 In the same way, Christ did not take on himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him,

“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father.”

Does sonship have beginnings?
Yes...sonship has its beginnings but Jesus is eternal ...always has.... but the son has his beginnings and there will be a time when the son will be humbled because the purpose of the son was for salvation but after the works of salvation are done and destroying sin, the son wont be needed again but Jesus will still remain as the Father of all....what am i saying ... before even creation God knew us perhaps he knew that man would fall and so he knew that to save man it could only be done through another man this son of God and that's what we see in Eden when we see the first prophecy of the bible about the seed. So it was this man to come who we reffer to as the son …but we know his origins is eternal however we know that the son has its beginnings but it was something God had planned even before creation to save mankind

Ephesians 1:4-5
Even before he made the world, God loved us and chose us in Christ to be holy and without fault in his eyes. 5 God decided in advance to adopt us into his own family by bringing us to himself through Jesus Christ. This is what he wanted to do, and it gave him great pleasure.

and then verse 9-10
God has now revealed to us his mysterious will regarding Christ—which is to fulfill his own good plan. 10 And this is the plan: At the right time he will bring everything together under the authority of Christ—everything in heaven and on earth.

the son was chosen before the world began for the purpose of salvation and defeating sin everywhere …he was the means through which God could rid creation of any evil...WE DONT know when God chose Jesus as his son … but what we know is that God himself says …today I have become your Father...so i believe that sonship has beginnings...Jesus doesn't have beginnings

check out bowmans' outline of the Trinity

 

[TheLearner]

so why am clinging to this notion (DONT SKIP ANYTHING IN THIS NEXT PART YOU MAY LACK FLOW)

1st Corinthians 15: 24-28

After that the end will come, when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having destroyed every ruler and authority and power. 25 For Christ must reign until he humbles all his enemies beneath his feet. 26 And the last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.”[e] (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.) 28 Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.


so after the work of salvation and destruction of everything that is evil...the son will turn the Kingdom back to the Father...basically everything will return to how it was before sin …

PART 1...For Christ must reign until

so there is like a period where this man will stop reigning he is reigning up to date and that's why Paul says that God will judge the world by the man he has appointed (Acts 17:31) but then we go to Revelations we find that it is actually God who will judge everyone but go to romns 2 last verse it says God will judge the secrets of men through Christ. Now with regards to the judge Jesus says "The Father Judges no one but he has given all judgements to his son" I think the reason for saying this is so that no one will have an excuse...i.e. God the Father you were up there so why are you judging us and you don't know our problems....and that's why there is this son of God. So God then says...I indeed was there by the man appointed and I showed this by raising him from the dead (acts 17:31) (but remember Jesus said he has power to lay down his life and take it back again) ..

PART 2.....all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself

everything is under the authority of this man Jesus Christ bt not the Father ...his true nature cant be humbled but he himself could be able to live without it...for instance God is all knowing yet Jesus couldnt figure out the woman who touched his cloak but in his true nature and form he could

Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.

now here is the twist...we learn that the son one day will be humbled under God's Authority the Father that is probably after everything is done...so when was this son given this authority...Matthew 28:18
Jesus came and told his disciples, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth.

PART 3
....After that the end will come, when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father,
so this is the authority spoken on in 1st Corinthians 15 after which the son will also be humbled beneath the Father...so that the Father will be supreme everywhere ....now the father now has the Kingdom again after the son has finished everything....so where is Jesus when the Father has received his kingdom back

Matthew 19:27-28

"Then Peter said to him, “We’ve given up everything to follow you. What will we get?”

28 Jesus replied, “I assure you that when the world is made new[i] and the Son of Man[j] sits upon his glorious throne, you who have been my followers will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

when the world is made new...remember this is after the events of defeating all evil the and handing the kingdom to the Father....and the son of man the son of man is a title Jesus used for himself....so they already know that the son of man is Jesus...This is Jesus telling them you know in the world to come when is sit on my glorious throne and remember there is only one king's throne in heaven...you will sit on twelve thrones(not as God obviously)…

so the son has handed the kingdom back to the father but Jesus is still reigning but not as the son but as the father

Luke 22:28
You have stayed with me in my time of trial. 29 And just as my Father has granted me a Kingdom, I now grant you the right 30 to eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom. And you will sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
The word is has granted me a kingdom (NOT HAD...HAS) ...and you will eat at my table in my kingdom....

PART 4
....so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere

Now we have already established that Jesus is still reigning after the world has been made new despite the son handing the kingdom to God the Father....so how will he be supreme everywhere

Revelations 22:3-4

No longer will there be a curse upon anything. For the throne of God and of the Lamb will be there, and his servants will worship him. 4 And they will see his face, and his name will be written on their foreheads.

Now the emphasis is on the word Throne...one ...just as Jesus said in Matthew 19:28 and the throne is of God and of the lamb now this are not two beings but Just God's throne who is also the lamb and thats why the next part says his servants...not their servants for obvious reasons

what about in Hell

Revelations 14:9-10

"Then a third angel followed them, shouting, “Anyone who worships the beast and his statue or who accepts his mark on the forehead or on the hand 10 must drink the wine of God’s anger. It has been poured full strength into God’s cup of wrath. And they will be tormented with fire and burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and the Lamb.

so the lamb is still God in Hell....hence God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere. so you see Jesus still is and has always been the Father...what he did was just humble himself so low to save humanity because it was the only way that humanity could be saved....one who is pure enough to save humans and who better than God himself.



PS ALL MY ARGUMENTS AND THINKING IS FROM THE BIBLE SOLELY...I HAVE NOT USED ANY FOREIGN SOURCE

Good summary of Rank with the Godhead aka Trinity.

 

[TheLearner]

Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer to the Father for life and to live and be raised. He asks to be raised because of His obedience to the law and statutes and precepts and commandments and judgments and testimonies and word in the Torah that required Him to offer His life to save us and thereby fulfill the Law concerning Him and His Sacrifice. He asks for life because of the promise of life to Him in the law and His obedience.

queue up the dissenters.

Huh?

 

[TheLearner]

I think you've already said that about a hundred times now. Afraid no one's listening? Maybe they just don't care.

or we don't understand what point he trying to make.

 

[Dropship]

Jesus is God, as the word of God says..

But if Jesus is God why did he say-
“Why do you call me good?..No one is good except God alone" (Luke 18:19)
"Only God knows when Judgment Day will be, I don't know myself" (Mark 13:32)
"I say nothing of my own accord, I only say what my father tells me to say.." (John 12:49)
And Jesus regularly prayed to God, yet if he was God why would he pray to himself?

 

[Mem]

the fact that so many missed it and continue to deny it is astounding. but here we are 2000 years after He lived the Psalm with still nearly no one comprehending it. and others who try to suppress it, since it proves the truth of Scripture old and new concerning the Son being Messiah beyond any doubt.

Ok, I missed that "the Law required the Father to offer the Son as a sacrifice" (?). Where is that 'requirement' exactly? so I can 'find' it?

 

[evyaniy]

Ok, I missed that "the Law required the Father to offer the Son as a sacrifice" (?). Where is that 'requirement' exactly? so I can 'find' it?

The Law required the Son to offer His life as a sacrifice for sin to save us. The Father so loved us that He sent His only Son that whosoever believes in Him would receive Eternal Life.

 

[evyaniy]

Ok, I missed that "the Law required the Father to offer the Son as a sacrifice" (?). Where is that 'requirement' exactly? so I can 'find' it?

The requirement is in the 2 greatest commandment for starters. To love the Father above all, He had to offer Himself to save us. To fulfill the law He had to be the Lamb of YAH Who takes away the sins of the world. To love His neighber as Himself He had to be raised up from the earth on the cross to save us. We could not save ourselves. Only He could save us as the sinless Son of the Father Who sent Him.

 

[Mem]

The Law required the Son to offer His life as a sacrifice for sin to save us. The Father so loved us that He sent His only Son that whosoever believes in Him would receive Eternal Life.

I missed that in the Law, its requirement that the Son offer His life as a sacrifice for sin to save us. Is that found in Exodus? Deuteronomy? Leviticus? Where can we find that requirement in the Law?

 

[evyaniy]

I missed that in the Law, its requirement that the Son offer His life as a sacrifice for sin to save us. Is that found in Exodus? Deuteronomy? Leviticus? Where can we find that requirement in the Law?

Just explained above. As well as the many sacrifices that pointed to His sacrifice. If He had not offered Himself none of the law concerning Him would have been fulfilled. The Law is all about Him and given to Him as His path to life through His obedience.

 

[evyaniy]

The Passover itself was about His Sacrifice. He had to give His life to become our Passover Lamb.

 

[CS1]

But if Jesus is God why did he say-
“Why do you call me good?..No one is good except God alone" (Luke 18:19)
"Only God knows when Judgment Day will be, I don't know myself" (Mark 13:32)
"I say nothing of my own accord, I only say what my father tells me to say.." (John 12:49)
And Jesus regularly prayed to God, yet if he was God why would he pray to himself?

Context Those who said Jesu was Good He knew their heart, Which Only God can know. You try to use scripture to debunk other scriptures instead of allowing the truth to speak for itself.

Just so you know, in the Gospel of John #1, one reason for writing was to show

1. The deity of Christ
2. Jesus is God because he was in the Beginning known as the "Word " who is God.

John chapter 1 says If you look at the Authorial intent of the Gospel of John and read through it to seek contradictions to support your idea, you are not reading the word of God correctly.

 

[Mem]

Just explained above. As well as the many sacrifices that pointed to His sacrifice. If He had not offered Himself none of the law concerning Him would have been fulfilled. The Law is all about Him and given to Him as His path to life through His obedience.

"His path to life through HIs obedience," does that mean that, if the Son didn't offer His life, He would've died and never rose again?

 

[evyaniy]

"His path to life through HIs obedience," does that mean that, if the Son didn't offer His life, He would've died and never rose again?

But then how would the Scriptures have been fulfilled?

 

[Mem]

But then how would the Scriptures have been fulfilled?

OK, I guess the question I have is, if Jesus did not offer Himself as a sacrifice for our sins, would then been considered to have broken the Law?

 

[Dropship]

..Jesus is God because he was in the Beginning known as the "Word " who is God..

But when the High Priest asked Jesus if he was God, he replied "I am".
If you're saying saying he was telling a fib, be careful or you'll end up on here..-

 

[evyaniy]

OK, I guess the question I have is, if Jesus did not offer Himself as a sacrifice for our sins, would then been considered to have broken the Law?

We would not have received Salvation through Him and what He did to save us.

Do you believe Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer for life and to be raised from the dead because of His obedience to the Law in offering His life to save us?

 

[Mem]

We would not have received Salvation through Him and what He did to save us.

Do you believe Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer for life and to be raised from the dead because of His obedience to the Law in offering His life to save us?

Would he have broken the Law then?

 

[evyaniy]

Would he have broken the Law then?

If He had not offered His life to save us as the law and His Father required of Him, then yes, He would have broken the law and the statutes and precepts and commandments and testimonies and judgments that were all for and about Him. But He did obey the law and His Father by accomplishing His will and saving us according to the Law.

Please answer the question, Do you believe Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer for life and to be raised from the dead because of His obedience to the Law in offering His life to save us?