How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

[williamjordan]

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SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR JESUS TO BE IN AND OUT OF THE RIGHT OF GOD ?


WHEN HE APPEARS IN BODILY FORM - HE IS ALWAYS DESCRIBED AS LITERALLY DEPARTING DWELLING OUT OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF GOD - externally - exterior - manifesting externally - the physical visible form of the invisible spirit


OUTSIDE OF GOD - appearing to man


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WHEN HE IS IN THE THRONE - HE HAS ENTERED - DWELLING IN THE RIGHT OF GOD - UNSEEN INVISIBLE RETURN BACK IN THE SPIRIT OF THE HOLY WHERE HE ORIGINATES AS AN ATRIBUTE OF GODS SPIRIT

AND HE IS FOREVER IN THE RIGHT OF GOD - BUT CAN DEPART OUT OF THE RIGHT OF GOD - TO DWELL OUT OF THE RIGHT OF GOD.... IN BODILY FORM - VISIBLE

and can exist both at the same time - in and out of the right of God


NEVER - NOT EVEN ONE SINGLE TIME - do we find Yahashua sitting ON or AT the right HAND
of God. - NEVER EVER IN THE MANUSCRIPTS

the Greek manuscripts always express Yahashua as both

- ἐν - en - - IN

and

" ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " God​

the evidence is there in the manuscripts exact and precise - NOT EVEN ONCE - NOT ONE SINGLE TIME - do we find Yahashua EVER, ever sitting " ON " the right HAND of God - truly, not in one single verse within the manuscript of Greek - this concept simply does not exist.

the Greek word " ON " is - ἐπί - epi -

never is Yahashua expressed in the Manuscripts as dwelling " ON " the right of the Father - only if the Trinity Doctrine is inserted into the original message by changing the original meaning and intent of the original message and context.

No. Does that answer your question? You clearly do not know the language. Perhaps you should invest in a copy of BDAG.

 

[williamjordan]

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SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR JESUS TO BE IN AND OUT OF THE RIGHT OF GOD ?


WHEN HE APPEARS IN BODILY FORM - HE IS ALWAYS DESCRIBED AS LITERALLY DEPARTING DWELLING OUT OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF GOD - externally - exterior - manifesting externally - the physical visible form of the invisible spirit


OUTSIDE OF GOD - appearing to man


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WHEN HE IS IN THE THRONE - HE HAS ENTERED - DWELLING IN THE RIGHT OF GOD - UNSEEN INVISIBLE RETURN BACK IN THE SPIRIT OF THE HOLY WHERE HE ORIGINATES AS AN ATRIBUTE OF GODS SPIRIT

AND HE IS FOREVER IN THE RIGHT OF GOD - BUT CAN DEPART OUT OF THE RIGHT OF GOD - TO DWELL OUT OF THE RIGHT OF GOD.... IN BODILY FORM - VISIBLE

and can exist both at the same time - in and out of the right of God


NEVER - NOT EVEN ONE SINGLE TIME - do we find Yahashua sitting ON or AT the right HAND
of God. - NEVER EVER IN THE MANUSCRIPTS

the Greek manuscripts always express Yahashua as both

- ἐν - en - - IN

and

" ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " God​

the evidence is there in the manuscripts exact and precise - NOT EVEN ONCE - NOT ONE SINGLE TIME - do we find Yahashua EVER, ever sitting " ON " the right HAND of God - truly, not in one single verse within the manuscript of Greek - this concept simply does not exist.

the Greek word " ON " is - ἐπί - epi -

never is Yahashua expressed in the Manuscripts as dwelling " ON " the right of the Father - only if the Trinity Doctrine is inserted into the original message by changing the original meaning and intent of the original message and context.

Words get their meaning from the way they function in a sentence. You don't just get to pick whatever definition you wish to and apply it. That is not how this works. As I previously stated, ἐν can be used to speak of instrumentality or agency, but its usage is determined by its function in the sentence or statement. Earlier, when I cited Mark 12:36, I pointed how ἐν was being used of the Holy Spirit speaking "in" and "through" David, and showing how that is differentiated from what the text goes on to say about sitting at the "right hand of God," using the term ἐκ. The simple fact is, ἐκ is never used to express instrumentality/agency. Thus, in Mark 12:36, when the Davidic King sits at the "right hand of God," this can only be understood as "locality" (i.e., "by," "with," "on") as opposed to the earlier instance in the very same text of ἐν, which is used to express instrumentality,

David himself said in (ἐν) the Holy Spirit, ‘THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, “SIT AT (ἐκ) MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I PUT YOUR ENEMIES UNDER YOUR FEET.”’

 

[williamjordan]

 

[evyaniy]

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too funny, especially the cat's sitting posture. He gets it.

 

[williamjordan]

too funny, especially the cat's sitting posture. He gets it.

Sometimes a simple illustration will go a long way.

 

[evyaniy]

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SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR JESUS TO BE IN AND OUT OF THE RIGHT OF GOD ?


WHEN HE APPEARS IN BODILY FORM - HE IS ALWAYS DESCRIBED AS LITERALLY DEPARTING DWELLING OUT OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF GOD - externally - exterior - manifesting externally - the physical visible form of the invisible spirit


OUTSIDE OF GOD - appearing to man


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WHEN HE IS IN THE THRONE - HE HAS ENTERED - DWELLING IN THE RIGHT OF GOD - UNSEEN INVISIBLE RETURN BACK IN THE SPIRIT OF THE HOLY WHERE HE ORIGINATES AS AN ATRIBUTE OF GODS SPIRIT

AND HE IS FOREVER IN THE RIGHT OF GOD - BUT CAN DEPART OUT OF THE RIGHT OF GOD - TO DWELL OUT OF THE RIGHT OF GOD.... IN BODILY FORM - VISIBLE

and can exist both at the same time - in and out of the right of God


NEVER - NOT EVEN ONE SINGLE TIME - do we find Yahashua sitting ON or AT the right HAND
of God. - NEVER EVER IN THE MANUSCRIPTS

the Greek manuscripts always express Yahashua as both

- ἐν - en - - IN

and

" ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " God​

the evidence is there in the manuscripts exact and precise - NOT EVEN ONCE - NOT ONE SINGLE TIME - do we find Yahashua EVER, ever sitting " ON " the right HAND of God - truly, not in one single verse within the manuscript of Greek - this concept simply does not exist.

the Greek word " ON " is - ἐπί - epi -

never is Yahashua expressed in the Manuscripts as dwelling " ON " the right of the Father - only if the Trinity Doctrine is inserted into the original message by changing the original meaning and intent of the original message and context.

read your multiple posts multiple times and have no idea what you are talking about and cannot try to read it again. lacking any inspiration to say anything more. sorry for responding this morning. should have figured it was a call out.

 

[Dropship]

The Trinity doctrine is just something cooked up by mostly the catholic church and is a just a play on words so don't take it seriously..

 

[evyaniy]

Sometimes a simple illustration will go a long way.

very glad you pointed out that Messiah said David was speaking in or by the Spirit in Psalm 110.1. You have Father, Son and Spirit in that one verse with the Father being quoted speaking to the Son with the Spirit quoting Him. Awesome.

 

[williamjordan]

The Trinity doctrine is just something cooked up by mostly the catholic church and is a just a play on words so don't take it seriously..

"Cooked up," he says. "Don't take it seriously," he says.

Question: Is that necessarily advice you should be offering when it entails the very subject of salvation? Regardless whether one holds to Trinitarianism, what one believes about the Son of God matters. It's the difference between a fake Jesus and a real Jesus. So, yes, it does matter. He is, after all, the subject of the debate.

 

[evyaniy]

Must be too much truth coming out on the site that has to be suppressed.

 

[Dropship]

"Cooked up," he says. "Don't take it seriously," he says.
Question: Is that necessarily advice you should be offering when it entails the very subject of salvation?..

Jesus, God, and the holy spirit are 3 separate distinct parts, I'm quite comfortable with that..

 

[heavenbelieve]

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The Truth is . . . . . . .


ERRORS AND ALTERATIONS in the Trinitarian Translations are created because the Trinitarians are literally mistranslating and altering changing the original message.

when we change the original message of the manuscript this opens the door for - CONTRADICTIONS

one of the many, many, many mistranslations is found in -Heb 10:12 - - which has created a massive ERROR in the Translation,


K.J.V
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

:13 FROM HENCEFORTH EXPECTING UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE HIS FOOTSTOOL.

So this is NOT Jesus forever sitting on the right hand of God

Mar 12:36 Sit ON my right hand, UNTIL I make thy enemies thy footstool.
Luk 20:42 Sit thou ON my right hand, - UNTIL I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Act 2:34 Sit thou ON my right hand, UNTIL I make thy foes thy footstool.
Heb 1:13 Sit ON my right hand, UNTIL I make thine enemies thy footstool?



In the Trinity TRANSLATION - Jesus was not ON the right hand of God before Jesus is being commanded to be re- positioned, re - located, moved from one position of status and rank of authority progressing and changing his seating order

The Trinitarian Translation presents Jesus as being re - positioned, re - located and moving, changing the placement and status of his position from one existing position to be re located and placed and moved to another position and higher status - Jesus - was not sitting ON the right hand of God before God located him there ! !

Why are we to believe the Trinitarian teaching that God did not really mean when he said that he would be - ON the right hand of God - UNTIL I make thine enemies thy footstool

Heb 10:12 sat down on the right hand of God; :13 FROM HENCEFORTH EXPECTING UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE HIS FOOTSTOOL.


REMEMBER

The Trinitarian Jesus is - EXPECTING THAT UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE HIS FOOTSTOOL - he will be seated ON the right hand of God, - UNTIL THIS TIME - HE WILL SIT ON THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER


WHY DO TRINITARIANS NOT EXPECT THE SAME EXPECTATION THAT JESUS EXPECTS.

Remember - Yahoshua says three things here about his identity.

John 8:42
i COME OUT FROM THE GOD -
i COME NOT ALSO FROM - MYSELF -
i COME NEITHER MYSELF I - SENT -


εγω I AM - γαρ FOR - εκ OUT / FROM - του THE - θεου GOD - εξηλθον CAME OUT -

και AND - ηκω COME - ουδε NOT - γαρ FOR - απ FROM - εμαυτου MYSELF - εληλυθα I COME -

αλλ NEITHER - εκεινος MYSELF - με I - απεστειλεν SENT.



I AM FOR OUT / FROM THE GOD CAME OUT -
AND COME NOT FOR FROM MYSELF I COME -
NEITHER MYSELF I SENT.​

Meaning - Yahoshua was not a mere “ departing exiting FORM “ nor MORPH of his OWN pre - existence. - -
Nor even a departed FORM or MORPH of his own self " himself. " as a separate pre-existing 2 nd person.

How is Jesus - Co - Eternal Son - Co - Equal Son - Co - Omnipresent Son

 

[heavenbelieve]

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furthermore much more importantly is the fact that ..........
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.........the exact Phrase “ Holy Spirit “ exists 96 total times in the Trinitarian Translation - “ kjv “

Yet,- - it only exists - -- 12 - -- total times in the Manuscripts, let’s look at these manuscripts .



Here is a Trinitarian MISTRANSLATION, - -

- - Eph 1:13 sealed with that “ Holy Spirit “ of promise,


Here is - Original manuscript Eph 1:13


:13 εσφραγισθητε SEALED - - - τω WITH - - - πνευματι THE SPIRIT - - - της BY THE - επαγγελιας PROMISE - - - τω THAT IS - - - αγιω HOLY

meaning, the manuscripts say - = SEALED WITH THE SPIRIT BY A PROMISE THAT IS HOLY


Again the Trinitarians insert the Holy Spirit into the Translation

Here is - Trinitarian mistranslation - - -

- 1Th 4:8 God, who hath also given unto us his “ Holy Spirit “


Here is - Original manuscripts

:8 θεον GOD - τον WHOM - και ALSO - δοντα HAS GIVEN - το THE - πνευμα SPIRIT - αυτου HIMSELF,, - το OF THE - αγιον HOLY - εις UNTO - ημας US

meaning the manuscripts say - = GOD - WHOM - ALSO - HAS GIVEN - THE - SPIRIT - HIMSELF,, - OF THE - HOLY - UNTO –US


Again the Trinitarians insert the Holy Spirit into the Translation


In - Mat 12:31, the Catholic Translators did not add or insert the word “ Holy “ - to pretend it says Holy Spirit “

-- Holy - - does not even exist in Mat 12:31 - the word Holy was added or inserted by the Protestants in the K.J.V - in Mat 12:31

Mat 12:31 Blaspheme against the “ Spirit “ not “ Holy Spirit “


96 total times the Trinitarians have - The “ HOLY – SPIRIT “ in their Translation. Yet, in the Greek Manuscripts - the exact phrase “ HOLY SPIRIT / Ghost “ this exact phrase only appears 12 total times in the entire Manuscripts.

Here are the 12 total times where the Manuscripts say - “ αγιω The Holy - πνευματι Spirit “
αγιω πνευματι
Mat 28:19 baptizing them in the name of ……..the “ Holy Spirit “
Luk 12:10 him that blasphemeth against the “ Holy Spirit “
Luk 12:12 For the “ Holy Spirit “ shall teach you
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the “ Holy Spirit “ is come upon you:
Act 2:33 the promise of the “ Holy Spirit “
Act 2:38 Repent, and be baptized ………… ye shall receive the gift of the “ Holy Spirit “
Act 9:31 in the comfort of the “ Holy Spirit “
Act 10:45 on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the “ Holy Spirit “
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the “ Holy Spirit “
Act 16:6 they were forbidden of the “ Holy Spirit “ to preach the word in Asia
1Co 6:19 your body is the temple of the “ Holy Spirit “
2Co 13:14 the communion of the “ Holy Spirit “ be with you all. Amen.

 

[heavenbelieve]

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The rest of the New and Old Testament do not say “ Holy Spirit “

These 48 passages say “ SPIRIT - HOLY “ in Greek = πνευματι Spirit - αγιω Holy

πνευματι αγιω
Mat 1:18 Mary - found with child of the “ Spirit - Holy “ - - not - the Holy Spirit
Mat 1:20 Mary - conceived in her is of the “ Spirit - Holy “ - - not – the Holy Spirit
Mat 3:11 baptize you with the “ Spirit - Holy “ - - not - the Holy Spirit
Mar 1:8 he shall baptize you with the “ Spirit - Holy “ - - not - the Holy Spirit
Luk 1:15 shall be filled with the “ Spirit - Holy “ - - not - the Holy Spirit
Luk 1:35 the “ Spirit Holy “ shall come upon thee -“ - - not - the Holy Spirit
Luk 1:41 Elisabeth was filled with the “ Spirit - Holy “ - - not - the Holy Spirit
Luk 1:67 Zacharias was filled with the “ Spirit – Holy “ - - not - the Holy Spirit


Also, the same - Luk 2:25, Luk 2:26, Luk 3:16, Luk 4:1 Luk 11:13, Joh 1:33, Joh 7:39, Joh 20:22, Act 1:2, Act 1:5, Act 4:8, Act 4:31, Act 7:55, Act 8:15, Act 8:17, Act 8:19, Act 9:17, Act 10:38, Act 11:16, Act 13:4, Act 13:9, Act 13:52, Act 19:2, Rom 5:5, Rom 9:1, Rom 14:17, Rom 15:13 Rom 15:16, 1Co2:13, 1Co 12:3, 2Co 6:6, 1Th 1:5, 1Th 1:6, 2Ti 1:14, Tit 3:5, Heb 2:4, Heb 6:4, 1Pe 1:12, 2Pe 1:21, Jud 1:20.

not “ - - the Holy Spirit

 

[heavenbelieve]

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These following “ 30 “ passages say “ SPIRIT OF THE HOLY

“ πνευμα SPIRIT - το OF THE - αγιον HOLY “ - not - “ Holy Spirit “

Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the “ Spirit of the Holy “ - - not - the Holy Spirit
Mar 13:11 for it is not ye that speak, but the “ Spirit of the Holy “ - - not - the Holy Spirit
Mat 12:32 speak against the “ Spirit of the Holy “ - - not - the Holy Spirit
Mar 3:29 blaspheme against the “ Spirit of the Holy “ - - not the Holy Spirit

Also the same, in - Mar 3:29, Luk 3:22, Joh 14:26, Act 1:16, Act 2:4, Act 5:3, Act 5:32, Act 6:3, Act 6:5, Act 7:51, Act 8:18, Act 10:44, Act 10:47, Act 11:15, Act 11:24, Act 13:2, Act 15:8, Act 19:6, Act 20:23, Act 20:28, Act 21:11, Act 28:25, Eph 4:30, Heb 3:7, Heb 9:8, Heb 10:15
not - “ Holy Spirit “

The Trinitarians transpose and switch the words around, SWITCHING and MOVING - ADDING AND DELETING WORDS - also switching the word Holy before the word Spirit - to pretend to explain Holy Spirit is a third person in the Gospel.
EVEN ADDING / INSERTING THE WORD HOLY BEFORE SPIRIT - to insert the person of the " Holy Spirit "

In the Old Testament, Trinitarians pretend that the phrase “ HOLY SPIRIT “ exists 3 total times. Psa 51:11, - Isa 63:10, - Isa 63:11 -

Yet in the OLD TESTAMENT - the Holy Spirit does not exist anywhere - IN HEBREW MANUSCRIPTS

It is - ........ “ ורוח SPIRIT - קדשׁך OF THE HOLY " -- --

in fact - never once, is the phrase, Holy Spirit ‘ EVER EVEN ONCE mentioned in the Old testament -

- the phrase ‘ Holy Spirit ‘ is only mentioned 12 times in the New Testament Bible Manuscripts

the other 84 times it is mentioned as ‘ Spirit OF THE Holy ‘ or as ‘ The SPIRIT HOLY ‘ ... -

When “ Holy Spirit “ only exists 12 total times in the entire Bible. And never is “ Holy Spirit “ mentioned even once ever, ever in the entire Old Testament manuscript.


It is - The Spirit Of The Holy, yet trinitarians insert and add this 3 times in the Old Testament to pretend there are scriptures for the Trinitarian Faith System.

it just shows that in every aspect possible the Trinitarian Translation is altered and manipulated to force the Trinitarian Faith System into the text

 

[evyaniy]

Psalm 45 is the Holy Spirit speaking to the Son in verses 1-7.

Psalm 45 1-7
For the Chief Musician. Set to “The Lilies.”
A contemplation by the sons of Korah. A wedding song.

(Spirit to Son)

45:1 My heart overflows with a noble theme.
I recite My verses for the King.
My tongue is like the pen of a Skillful Writer.
45:2 You are the Most Excellent of the sons of men.
Grace has anointed Your lips,
therefore 'Elohiym has blessed You forever.
45:3 Strap Your sword on Your thigh, Mighty One:
Your splendor and Your Majesty.
45:4 In Your Majesty ride on victoriously
on behalf of truth, humility, and righteousness.
Let Your right hand display awesome deeds.
45:5 Your arrows are sharp.
The nations fall under You,
with arrows in the heart of the King’s enemies.
45:6 Your throne, 'Elohiym, is forever and ever.
A scepter of equity is the scepter of Your kingdom.
45:7 You have loved righteousness, and hated wickedness.
Therefore 'Elohiym, Your 'Elohiym,
has anointed You with the oil of gladness
above Your fellows.

The Son's Throne is forever and ever.

 

[evyaniy]

Isaiah 63:10

But they rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit;
So He turned Himself against them as an enemy,
And He fought against them.

 

[evyaniy]

Does that mean you don't believe the Psalms are the prayers of the Son and Holy Spirit and quotes of the Father?

 

[williamjordan]

Jesus, God, and the holy spirit are 3 separate distinct parts, I'm quite comfortable with that..

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These following “ 30 “ passages say “ SPIRIT OF THE HOLY

“ πνευμα SPIRIT - το OF THE - αγιον HOLY “ - not - “ Holy Spirit “

Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the “ Spirit of the Holy “ - - not - the Holy Spirit
Mar 13:11 for it is not ye that speak, but the “ Spirit of the Holy “ - - not - the Holy Spirit
Mat 12:32 speak against the “ Spirit of the Holy “ - - not - the Holy Spirit
Mar 3:29 blaspheme against the “ Spirit of the Holy “ - - not the Holy Spirit

Also the same, in - Mar 3:29, Luk 3:22, Joh 14:26, Act 1:16, Act 2:4, Act 5:3, Act 5:32, Act 6:3, Act 6:5, Act 7:51, Act 8:18, Act 10:44, Act 10:47, Act 11:15, Act 11:24, Act 13:2, Act 15:8, Act 19:6, Act 20:23, Act 20:28, Act 21:11, Act 28:25, Eph 4:30, Heb 3:7, Heb 9:8, Heb 10:15
not - “ Holy Spirit “

The Trinitarians transpose and switch the words around, SWITCHING and MOVING - ADDING AND DELETING WORDS - also switching the word Holy before the word Spirit - to pretend to explain Holy Spirit is a third person in the Gospel.
EVEN ADDING / INSERTING THE WORD HOLY BEFORE SPIRIT - to insert the person of the " Holy Spirit "

In the Old Testament, Trinitarians pretend that the phrase “ HOLY SPIRIT “ exists 3 total times. Psa 51:11, - Isa 63:10, - Isa 63:11 -

Yet in the OLD TESTAMENT - the Holy Spirit does not exist anywhere - IN HEBREW MANUSCRIPTS

It is - ........ “ ורוח SPIRIT - קדשׁך OF THE HOLY " -- --

in fact - never once, is the phrase, Holy Spirit ‘ EVER EVEN ONCE mentioned in the Old testament -

- the phrase ‘ Holy Spirit ‘ is only mentioned 12 times in the New Testament Bible Manuscripts

the other 84 times it is mentioned as ‘ Spirit OF THE Holy ‘ or as ‘ The SPIRIT HOLY ‘ ... -

When “ Holy Spirit “ only exists 12 total times in the entire Bible. And never is “ Holy Spirit “ mentioned even once ever, ever in the entire Old Testament manuscript.


It is - The Spirit Of The Holy, yet trinitarians insert and add this 3 times in the Old Testament to pretend there are scriptures for the Trinitarian Faith System.

it just shows that in every aspect possible the Trinitarian Translation is altered and manipulated to force the Trinitarian Faith System into the text

No, the "truth is," you clearly do not know the language, so stop butchering it in front that are saturated in it every day. Do you understand how Greek tenses work? Do you know the difference between a dative and a genitive?

Let's take a peak back at Mark 12:36, since it was after all, a text we discussed earlier. The phrase, τῷ πνεύματι τῷ ἁγίῳ is in the dative. Therefore, there is no way it can be translated in the way you suggest, "Spirit of the Holy," because it is not in the genitive form. If you want an example of what it would look like in the genitive form, then refer to Daniel 4:9 LXX, πνεῦμα θεοῦ, which simply means "Spirit of God."

This is really basic stuff, which you are having a very hard time grappling with. Get a clue.

 

[evyaniy]

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