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[Grace911]

You're going to have a hard time convincing us that the Bible is a lie.


Hebrews 8:13
In that He says, "A new covenant" He has made the first obsolete.

Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith,G3004 A newG2537 covenant, he hath made the first old.G3822 G3588 G4413 NowG1161 that which decayethG3822 andG2532 waxeth oldG1095 is ready to vanish away.G1451 G854

Please notice in Hebrews 8:13 that the translators added the word "covenant" and there is no corresponding Strong's Number after the additional word "covenant".

I never said the Bible is a lie!! You are twisting the quoted scripture.

Jeemiahr 16:19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

 

[cv5]

There was no delay in the story. The foolish did not prepare properly and didn't have enough oil to keep their lamps lit. It's their fault not the bridegroom's fault.







Yes, going out during darkness to buy is definitely a reference to buying and selling during the tribulation. The 5 foolish represent those of the Apostasy that abandon Christ and are marked.

This account of the 10 virgins occurs POST-RAPTURE.
These virgins are bridesmaids who are NOT the bride.

Their task is to inform the entire village that the Bridegroom has already come and has HARPAZO-ed His Bride.
This so that the entire village should prepare for His Coming at the wedding feast/supper aka Second Coming.

The crux and message of the parable is very clear:

Mat 25:10
And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

 

[notmyown]

Please notice in Hebrews 8:13 that the translators added the word "covenant" and there is no corresponding Strong's Number after the additional word "covenant".

i believe that is why in post's comment the word "covenant" is in italics. translators do this to show it's an added word.

what is it, do you believe, that was "ready to vanish away"?

 

[cv5]

Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith,G3004 A newG2537 covenant, he hath made the first old.G3822 G3588 G4413 NowG1161 that which decayethG3822 andG2532 waxeth oldG1095 is ready to vanish away.G1451 G854

Please notice in Hebrews 8:13 that the translators added the word "covenant" and there is no corresponding Strong's Number after the additional word "covenant".

I never said the Bible is a lie!! You are twisting the quoted scripture.

Jeemiahr 16:19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

No, it is you that is twisting scripture. A new covenant is clearly indicated in the entire passage.

Heb 8:7
For if that first (covenant) had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11
And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13
In that he saith, A new (covenant), he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

 

[cv5]

i believe that is why in post's comment the word "covenant" is in italics. translators do this to show it's an added word.

what is it, do you believe, that was "ready to vanish away"?

"FIRST"
"NEW"

 

[notmyown]

"FIRST"
"NEW"

indeed. i am wondering, however, what Grace911 thinks.

 

[cv5]

There was no delay in the story. The foolish did not prepare properly and didn't have enough oil to keep their lamps lit. It's their fault not the bridegroom's fault.







Yes, going out during darkness to buy is definitely a reference to buying and selling during the tribulation. The 5 foolish represent those of the Apostasy that abandon Christ and are marked.

Yep. Probably "departure" aka RAPTURE.

In fact the RAPTURE is clearly illustrated in the parable of the 10 virgins, as part of the typical Jewish wedding sequence.

 

[Grace911]

Ok I'm a Sabbath keeper, but i believe the 10 Brides were church members of Christian denominations. The oil represents the Holy Spirit. some folk in church even though they appear to be Christians, have not truly given their lives to Christ, which we have to do. The oil or the Holy spirit cannot be given from one to another so even if the virgins wanted to share, they couldn't. It is God who gives. Those who love the Lord and who receive His Spirit are the Brides who may enter the wedding.

Do we know what the will of the Father is? Search out His will and "do it". This does not take away from Yeshua/Jesus role, but it identifies who is wise and who is foolish.

Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Matthew 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

I Never Knew You
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.<--Strong's G458

G458 = anomia=From G459; illegality, that is, violation of law or (generally) wickedness: - iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

The day that the Bridegroom comes on will be Feast of Trumpets, which is the day and hour no man knows, because it is the 1st day of the 7th month, only determined by the visible sliver of the new moon. sighted from Jerusalem. It is a Sabbath and no work. The Foolish Virgins go to buy oil on the Sabbath, a day of no buying or selling. This is why they left and then returned to be told "I don't , know you" which obviously implies they do not know Him, they do not know the WILL OF THE FATHER.

 

[Grace911]

i believe that is why in post's comment the word "covenant" is in italics. translators do this to show it's an added word.

what is it, do you believe, that was "ready to vanish away"?

Isaiah 51:6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Isa 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

My comment: The Bible tells us God does not change. The Bible tells us not to add or diminish from God's words (albeit Moses transcribed God's dictation.) The Bible tells us Jesus/Yeshua is YHWH/LORD. Every month the moon is NEW. It is still the same moon created on the 4th day of creation, but it is renewed each month. With all this in mind, how can a student of the Word believe that the Mt. Sinai covenant is done away or is "ready to vanish". This covenant was given on May 25, 1379 BC. The record of the Holy Spirit given in the Acts of the Apostles was given as a HELPER. In that role, the Holy Spirit guides you to all truth and the covenant is not NEW but is RENEwD with the aid of the HELPER giving us understanding, knowledge and the "I want to please attitude". I can only hope what is ready to vanish away is the lies we've inherited and is replaced with TRUTH.

Psalms 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

 

[notmyown]

Isaiah 51:6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Isa 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

My comment: The Bible tells us God does not change. The Bible tells us not to add or diminish from God's words (albeit Moses transcribed God's dictation.) The Bible tells us Jesus/Yeshua is YHWH/LORD. Every month the moon is NEW. It is still the same moon created on the 4th day of creation, but it is renewed each month. With all this in mind, how can a student of the Word believe that the Mt. Sinai covenant is done away or is "ready to vanish". This covenant was given on May 25, 1379 BC. The record of the Holy Spirit given in the Acts of the Apostles was given as a HELPER. In that role, the Holy Spirit guides you to all truth and the covenant is not NEW but is RENEwD with the aid of the HELPER giving us understanding, knowledge and the "I want to please attitude". I can only hope what is ready to vanish away is the lies we've inherited and is replaced with TRUTH.

Psalms 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

thank you. so you believe the writer to the Hebrews, in that context, was speaking of the heavens and the earth?
i just want to understand.

 

[Omegatime]

Isaiah 49

5 And now the Lord says,
who formed me from the womb to be his servant,
to bring Jacob back to him,
and that Israel might be gathered to him,
for I am honored in the eyes of the Lord,
and my God has become my strength—
6 he says:
“It is too light a thing that you should be my servant
to raise up the tribes of Jacob
and to restore the preserved of Israel;
I will give you as a light to the nations,
that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth.”

They were assembling to meet the Lord

 

[Grace911]

Isaiah 49

5 And now the Lord says,
who formed me from the womb to be his servant,
to bring Jacob back to him,
and that Israel might be gathered to him,
for I am honored in the eyes of the Lord,
and my God has become my strength—
6 he says:
“It is too light a thing that you should be my servant
to raise up the tribes of Jacob
and to restore the preserved of Israel;
I will give you as a light to the nations,
that my salvation (Strong's H3444 = Yeshua) may reach to the end of the earth.”

They were assembling to meet the Lord

I've highlighted a couple of things that stand out to me in the above scriptures.

Who is the servant? Jesus/Yeshua

What is His calling? To bring Jacob back to the LORD (him).

What is God's desire? To remarry (recovenant) with Israel whom He divorced.

How will this be accomplished? Through YHWH/LORD becoming our salvation (Yeshua) and Yeshua dying, buried and resurrected so that now Israel (both houses and any stranger or alien or Gentile of the nations) can through Christ return to YHWH and be married to Him.

Matthew 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Who is preserved or "delivered" of Israel? Those who knows the Father's will and do it.

 

[Omegatime]

Isaiah is the prophet servant

Jacob is understood as Israel

Romans 11: 11 I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew.

Israel is the key to understand the Bible

 

[posthuman]

Please notice in Hebrews 8:13 that the translators added the word "covenant"

please notice that i followed the KJV practice of italicizing that word.

but guess why they supplied the word covenant? because that is the subject of Hebrews 8.

or if you like, consider what Christ said "a new" about:

• a new covenant ((Luke 22:19))
• a new commandment ((John 13:34))

it follows directly that believers in Christ are neither under the Sinai covenant nor its laws.

therefore,

• the oil is not observation of the old covenant
• the oil is not observation of the old covenant law

 

[Magenta]

What is God's desire? To remarry (recovenant) with Israel whom He divorced.

It is against God's law to remarry the woman you divorced.

They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's,
shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast
played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD. Jer. 3:1

Deuteronomy 24:1-4 If a man marries a woman, but she becomes displeasing to him because
he finds some indecency in her, he may write her a certificate of divorce, hand it to her, and send
her away from his house. If, after leaving his house, she goes and becomes another man’s wife,
and the second man hates her, writes her a certificate of divorce, hands it to her, and sends her
away from his house, or if he dies, then the husband who divorced her first may not remarry her
after she has been defiled, for that is an abomination to the LORD.

 

[SpeakTruth101]

It is against God's law to remarry the woman you divorced.

They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's,
shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast
played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD. Jer. 3:1

Deuteronomy 24:1-4 If a man marries a woman, but she becomes displeasing to him because
he finds some indecency in her, he may write her a certificate of divorce, hand it to her, and send
her away from his house. If, after leaving his house, she goes and becomes another man’s wife,
and the second man hates her, writes her a certificate of divorce, hands it to her, and sends her
away from his house, or if he dies, then the husband who divorced her first may not remarry her
after she has been defiled, for that is an abomination to the LORD.

So you believe the Law is still valid?

I do, not Moses, YHWH's Law

Matthew 5:17-18, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.”

Revelation 21:1-2, “And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Yah, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”

 

[posthuman]

Matthew 5:17-18, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.”

By saying "until all is accomplished" He shows that it is not eternal, but will vanish when all is completed. in the same saying, He says He has come to complete / fulfill.

i always find it interesting how the people who cite this verse to say Christians are beholden to the Law invariably delete jots and tittles of it.
even the most basic examples - are the sacrifices of the Law still required? are we condemned if we don't visit Jerusalem 3 times a year for the feasts? do we need a Levite to make atonement for us when we become defiled?
no?
But those are jots, and those are tittles. yet no one who would put believers under the Law demands of them they bring blood offerings when they sin or have a child or make a vow. they all presume to delete these tittles and jots.

in scripture in every place, the Law is all or nothing. no one is ever under "only some of the Law"

 

[Grace911]

It is against God's law to remarry the woman you divorced.

They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's,
shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast
played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD. Jer. 3:1

Deuteronomy 24:1-4 If a man marries a woman, but she becomes displeasing to him because
he finds some indecency in her, he may write her a certificate of divorce, hand it to her, and send
her away from his house. If, after leaving his house, she goes and becomes another man’s wife,
and the second man hates her, writes her a certificate of divorce, hands it to her, and sends her
away from his house, or if he dies, then the husband who divorced her first may not remarry her
after she has been defiled, for that is an abomination to the LORD.

Very good, Magenta. Now let's add what Paul had to say.

Released from the Law
Romans 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

This is why Yeshua/Jesus had to die and resurrect to life again. This is the only way God did not sin against His own LAW.

 

[Grace911]

no one is ever under "only some of the Law"

Was Jesus a Levite? No!

Was Jesus a woman? No!

Was Jesus a farmer? No!

Gee, "no one is ever under "only some of the law".

 

[Magenta]

Very good, Magenta. Now let's add what Paul had to say.

Released from the Law
Romans 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

This is why Yeshua/Jesus had to die and resurrect to life again. This is the only way God did not sin against His own LAW.

God is not dead.