Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

[iamsoandso]

Healthcare for all Americans is a worthy topic to discuss. And Obamacare did reach some people with preexisting conditions who would otherwise not have coverage. But overall it was doomed for failure for 2 reasons:
1. It was predicted on large numbers of healthy people to join to cover the cost of unhealthy patients, which was never going to happen. And...
2. Government is very inefficient at most things.

There is a fundamental difference these days between liberals and conservatives. Liberals believe the government is there to solve its problems. Conservatives can solve their own problems, and want government out the way so they are free to do so.
Obama was wrong when he told American businesses that they "didn't build that". In fact, it is American businesses through hard work and ingenuity that has built everything in this country. The government, on the other hand has produced nothing and has no source of income other than what it receives through taxes on its citizens. Anything it does has been paid for by the hard work of the American people. It is the people, and not the government, that make America great. If and when we get back to this understanding, we will be a great people again.

lol, yea it's bad both ways though can you imagine being in Texas and paying the penalties for not having insurance when you file your taxes and being told you don't qualify for it at the same time? Yep we didn't get it because they blocked it in Texas but we still paid for it(hope everyone enjoyed the medical care we paid for for them to get to use)... https://www.texastribune.org/2022/11/07/texas-medicaid-expansion-republicans/

 

[shittim]

Thank you for reminding, I needed that.

 

[shittim]

Dropship- welcome to CC , friend. This medium of communication makes it tough to determine the 80% of communication that is non-verbal.
best wishes

 

[Cameron143]

I don't know maybe it depends on if we live in the northern states or in the south? I live in Texas and so gas is almost always 2.00 a gallon unless there's an upcoming election then it goes up until the elections over and then drops back down. I guess it's to make everyone think that renewable fuel is a bad idea but I noticed several years ago that the gas prices start inching up about a year before the mid terms and right before the main elections. Anyway if you look at some of my post during the last mid term elections I was pointing that out in several of my post and just like clock work as soon as the elections were over gas dropped back down to 2.00 a gallon again(the lobbyist do that not the President).. I'm not trying to defend Biden I don't think he's good for the nation either but It makes me wonder if the people are becoming so conditioned into parroting things that they just say them over and over without thinking? It makes me wonder how no one can remember the stock markets crashing in 2018,(search stock market crash 2018). It's as if they have completely forgotten everyone arguing when Trump shut down all non essential businesses when Covid hit the US in 2019 and the economy was being hit so hard they were giving 1000 dollar checks out left and right to keep it from crashing?

Those are good points and Trump didn't get everything right. But I think he understands now better than the other candidates just how pervasive the corruption in our government is. There are few I believe who understand that there are some very sinister people controlling things in Washington. It is these people who are coming after Trump now and these are the people he was telling if you come after me, I will come after you.

 

[JTB]

The Lord breaks all nations when they turn wicked. In America the government isn't a leader, they're a reflection of the public.

Our government, like most, doesn't reflect the people. It reflects the rich and powerful who own it.

 

[JTB]

This is NOT mocking a handicapped person. He is mocking his faulty memory.
Just more disgusting tactics from the satanic democrats, and their vast media army.

Let's see... Love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self - control ... no, I don't see mocking in any form or reason being one of the fruits of the Spirit.

 

[JTB]

What values?

Well, mammon worship, cheating workers, self idolatry, abandoning the poor, sick and foreign, and embracing lies and hypocrisy are definitely NOT the values Christ taught.

 

[JTB]

It's ridiculous to assume that people who will vote for Trump are merely blind supporters. Actually, it is liberal supporters who blindly follow their party. That's why an invalid was elected to the senate from Pennsylvania.

Cameron, you took the words right out of my mouth!

Actually, supporting a lesser evil just because the greater evil is worse is the epitome of blindness.

And I would argue which IS the greater evil... the one that does it's evil out in the open, or the one that hides it's evil under the banner of 'god'.

 

[JTB]

But Trump, as President, made life better for all Americans.

Only the willfully blind would make a statement like that

 

[Cameron143]

Actually, supporting a lesser evil just because the greater evil is worse is the epitome of blindness.

And I would argue which IS the greater evil... the one that does it's evil out in the open, or the one that hides it's evil under the banner of 'god'.

I fundamentally disagree with your assessment. Getting something headed in the right direction is far better than letting things continue to go in a terrible direction. Jesus warned us that the children of the world are wiser in their generation than the children of light. I believe that description describes someone like you.
I don't mean it as an insult to you. But I don't think taking a holier than thou attitude helps anything. Neither do I agree that those on the right are all that you say they are.
I also find many like yourself to be the biggest hypocrites ignorantly. You hold certain groups to high scrutiny but others you dismiss. Is your barber faithful to his wife? Is the waitress who serves you married or just living with someone? Does your doctor support abortion? Are your children's teachers drug users? I'm guessing you don't know. And you don't hold them to the same scrutiny you hold others. But I can assure you of this, every person you will ever come across has sin in their life. And there are no perfect candidates. So vote or don't vote. I support your decision either way. But don't moralize my vote when you don't take the same care in your own life.

 

[CS1]

I will vote again for Trump.

 

[Tall_Timbers]

the children of the world are wiser in their generation than the children of light.

Luke 16:8

With regards to the things of the world, I've always felt at least a step behind the worldly who seem to fit right in. Thankfully, I'm no longer of this world.

 

[Dropship]

Our Biblical faith teaches us we are not to entertain evil, " I simply pointed out what could happen", is playing fast and loose in this reality where He tells us we will give an account of every THOUGHT, word and deed...

No offence mate but are you a Fatalist, one of those who go through life leaving everything in the hands of God?
If that implies blindly crossing the road without looking to see if anything's coming, and trusting God to keep the road clear I don't think I'd agree with that philosophy at all..

 

[PennEd]

No offence mate but are you a Fatalist, one of those who go through life leaving everything in the hands of God?
If that implies blindly crossing the road without looking to see if anything's coming, and trusting God to keep the road clear I don't think I'd agree with that philosophy at all..

Sounds like offense to me.

 

[Dropship]

Luke 16:8
With regards to the things of the world, I've always felt at least a step behind the worldly who seem to fit right in. Thankfully, I'm no longer of this world.

Good for you mate..
"A friend of the world is the enemy of God" (James 4:4)
"Don't love the world or the things in it, otherwise the love of God is not in you" (1 John 2:15-17)
"He who is of the earth speaks earthly things" (John 3:31)
You died with Christ from this world, so don't keep submitting to its rules" (Col 2:20)
"Jesus saved you from the empty way of life handed you by your forefathers" (1 Pet 1:18 )
"Don't conform to the pattern of this world" (Rom 12:2)
"As a soldier of Christ, please only God and not the world" (2 Tim 2:3/4)
"Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth" (Col 3:2)
"You were bought at a price, don't serve men" (1 Cor 7:23)
"You were dead when you followed the ways of the world" (Eph 2:1/2)

 

[Dropship]

No offence mate but are you a Fatalist, one of those who go through life leaving everything in the hands of God?
If that implies blindly crossing the road without looking to see if anything's coming, and trusting God to keep the road clear I don't think I'd agree with that philosophy at all..

Sounds like offense to me.

I know a middleaged christian street preacher who's a fatalist, he goes through life without lifting a finger to help himself, and his life's a total mess, but that's another story..

 

[iamsoandso]

Those are good points and Trump didn't get everything right. But I think he understands now better than the other candidates just how pervasive the corruption in our government is. There are few I believe who understand that there are some very sinister people controlling things in Washington. It is these people who are coming after Trump now and these are the people he was telling if you come after me, I will come after you.

A lot of this I agree with especially the "sinister people controlling things in Washington part". To me though I think the comment about coming after him is in line with the Super PACS who traditionally donate to the Republicans. I think their of the mind that they themselves see Trump in office as being bad for business(their profits) and are getting more and more vocal about it(they support Republicans but not Trump).
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/12/koch-network-ads-target-trump-biden.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_for_Prosperity

There's no question why these men think the way they do and have the different politicians argue and vote the way they want/do about climate change,fossil fuel ect. because they don't agree with Creationism but instead uphold Darwinism,evolution ect.
https://www.salon.com/2014/07/28/th...koch_brothers_are_obsessed_with_paleontology/
https://archive.archaeology.org/online/interviews/koch/
https://www.science20.com/science_2..._everyone_in_science_academia_can_like-151965

 

[shittim]

No offence mate but are you a Fatalist, one of those who go through life leaving everything in the hands of God?
If that implies blindly crossing the road without looking to see if anything's coming, and trusting God to keep the road clear I don't think I'd agree with that philosophy at all..

Before I could answer your question you posted another offense.
His Own know that we are no longer our own as we grow in Him, one of the first evidences is how the words, " I, me, and mine", leave the vocabulary.
So, you see, "seems to me" crosses that line so to speak.
The best way I have heard it explained goes like this, " I don't have an opinion, I have a position and it is based on the Bible".
best wishes friend

 

[Dropship]

Before I could answer your question you posted another offense.
His Own know that we are no longer our own as we grow in Him, one of the first evidences is how the words, " I, me, and mine", leave the vocabulary.
So, you see, "seems to me" crosses that line so to speak.
The best way I have heard it explained goes like this, " I don't have an opinion, I have a position and it is based on the Bible".
best wishes friend

Old chum, you say in your profile that you're a Christian, but what TYPE exactly? If we knew that we might be able to understand your beliefs better..
Me, I'm nondenominational because I regard Jesus as my only pastor/minister..

 

[shittim]

When we get our faith in Him right, we have no need to post on the negative or people who have failed, we ALL come to Him as we are, but we must NOT stay the way we are.
We all know people, our required path is to seek his direction and walk it out, not be distracted by anything such as gossip, and that is what it appears to be from here.
best wishes.