How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?
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Where was Jesus when he died
a) in Paradise with the repentant thief - and bear in mind that paradise is the third heaven and not a separation in the lower parts of the world...and he told him that he would be with him in paradise that specific day
b) In the lower parts of the world preaching to the imprisoned souls lost
But as you answer that bear in mind that Jesus ascended in heaven only once as stated in Ephesians....
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No, I am not setting up traps, that's not in my heart. I have been a Christian 61 years now and I'm too old to play games by trapping people. Back in the day I was taught that the Father did forsake His Son but many years ago I changed my position because it did not make sense and it was Psalm 22 that convinced me that He was not forsaken.
If you read the Psalm you will notice that David is being hunted down by King Saul. He's complaining how the "bulls" have surrounded him etc. The point is that David "felt" God had forsaken him but God was there all the time and David begins praising God. Jesus also "felt" forsaken but His Father was there all the time as well. John 16:32, "Behold, an hour is coming and has already come, for you to scatter, each to his own home, and to leave Me alone; and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me."
IN GOD THE SON,
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If you read the Psalm you will notice that David is being hunted down by King Saul. He's complaining how the "bulls" have surrounded him etc. The point is that David "felt" God had forsaken him but God was there all the time and David begins praising God. Jesus also "felt" forsaken but His Father was there all the time as well. John 16:32, "Behold, an hour is coming and has already come, for you to scatter, each to his own home, and to leave Me alone; and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me."
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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Thank you for that assurance. Sorry for suspecting something was up after the compliments. been down that road before.
Psalm 22 has nothing to do with David other than it was given to him. It is the Son's prayer with the Holy Spirit speaking in the last part. The bulls of Bashan is a reference to the Romans who crucified Him and were surrounding the cross and then taking lots on His garments.
Psalm 22 has nothing to do with David other than it was given to him. It is the Son's prayer with the Holy Spirit speaking in the last part. The bulls of Bashan is a reference to the Romans who crucified Him and were surrounding the cross and then taking lots on His garments.
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By working backwards, it's actually fairly easy to trace the human side of
Jesus' origin to Adam.
First off: God promised David that his royal descendants would be produced
by his own loins.
● Ps 132:11 . .The Lord has sworn in truth unto David; and He will not turn
from it: "Of the fruit of your body will I set upon your throne"
● Acts 2:29-30 . . Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the
patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us
unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn
with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he
would raise up Christ to sit on his throne.
● Rom 1:3 . . . God's son; the seed of David according to the flesh
There is such a thing as spiritual seed, but in David's case the seed is
biological because it's the fruit of his loins and according to the flesh, i.e. his
physical human body.
David gave Jesus a biological connection to Judah, about whom his father
Jacob said:
"The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his
feet, until Shiloh comes; and to Him shall be the obedience of the people."
(Gen 49:10)
Jacob and Judah gave Jesus a biological connection to Abraham, about
whom God said:
"In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed" (Gen 22:18)
Abraham gave Jesus a biological connection to Eve, about whom God said:
"I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and
her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel." (Gen
3:15)
Now seeing as how Eve's body was constructed with material taken from
Adam's body, then any child produced by Eve's body- even if virgin
conceived --would be Adam's biological descendant.
Ergo: The Word's flesh per John 1:14 began as created flesh all the way
back in the book of Genesis in chapter 2, verse 7.
Most Christians will readily attest that Jesus is fully human, but I strongly
suspect that many of them are unaware of just how human he really is.
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By working backwards, it's actually fairly easy to trace the human side of
Jesus' origin to Adam.
First off: God promised David that his royal descendants would be produced
by his own loins.
● Ps 132:11 . .The Lord has sworn in truth unto David; and He will not turn
from it: "Of the fruit of your body will I set upon your throne"
● Acts 2:29-30 . . Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the
patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us
unto this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn
with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he
would raise up Christ to sit on his throne.
● Rom 1:3 . . . God's son; the seed of David according to the flesh
There is such a thing as spiritual seed, but in David's case the seed is
biological because it's the fruit of his loins and according to the flesh, i.e. his
physical human body.
David gave Jesus a biological connection to Judah, about whom his father
Jacob said:
"The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his
feet, until Shiloh comes; and to Him shall be the obedience of the people."
(Gen 49:10)
Jacob and Judah gave Jesus a biological connection to Abraham, about
whom God said:
"In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed" (Gen 22:18)
Abraham gave Jesus a biological connection to Eve, about whom God said:
"I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and
her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel." (Gen
3:15)
Now seeing as how Eve's body was constructed with material taken from
Adam's body, then any child produced by Eve's body- even if virgin
conceived --would be Adam's biological descendant.
Ergo: The Word's flesh per John 1:14 began as created flesh all the way
back in the book of Genesis in chapter 2, verse 7.
Most Christians will readily attest that Jesus is fully human, but I strongly
suspect that many of them are unaware of just how human he really is.
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From verse 21 to 25 was after He was raised to life again. He begins to praise His Father for saving Him. Then from verse 26 to the end the Holy Spirit is speaking in praise to the people about what was just revealed in the Psalm about our Salvation. In the last verse He says "for He has done this" speaking of the Father about the Salvation the Psalm just described.
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Psalm 88 tells us the Father put Him in the situation He suffered. That is another reason why it is so important to know it is the Son praying this. His Father laid Him in the lowest pit and darkest depths. The Father's wrath laid heavily on Him when He was dead. His Father afflicted Him as He says in other Psalms too. It was to save us.
88:6 You have laid Me in the lowest pit,
in the darkest depths.
88:7 Your wrath lies heavily on Me.
You have afflicted Me with all Your waves.
Selah.
88:8 You have taken My friends from Me.
You have made Me an Abomination to them.
I am confined, and I can’t escape.
88:9 My eyes are dim from grief.
I have called on You daily, YHVH.
I have spread out My hands to You.
88:10 Do You show wonders to the Dead?
Do the Dead rise up and praise You?
Selah.
88:11 Is Your mercy declared in the grave?
Or Your faithfulness in destruction?
88:12 Are Your wonders made known in the dark?
Or Your righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?
88:6 You have laid Me in the lowest pit,
in the darkest depths.
88:7 Your wrath lies heavily on Me.
You have afflicted Me with all Your waves.
Selah.
88:8 You have taken My friends from Me.
You have made Me an Abomination to them.
I am confined, and I can’t escape.
88:9 My eyes are dim from grief.
I have called on You daily, YHVH.
I have spread out My hands to You.
88:10 Do You show wonders to the Dead?
Do the Dead rise up and praise You?
Selah.
88:11 Is Your mercy declared in the grave?
Or Your faithfulness in destruction?
88:12 Are Your wonders made known in the dark?
Or Your righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?
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Who's the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world?
Revelation 13:8 KJV
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Revelation 13:8 KJV
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
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FAQ: If Mary's body was sufficient to provide Jesus a biological connection to
David, then what real need was there for Joseph?
REPLY: David's throne passed down through his sons, beginning with
Solomon. Joseph was biologically related to Solomon, so his hooking up
with Mary and adopting her boy put Jesus in the running.
FAQ: Can the Jews accept Jesus' adoption as a valid qualification?
REPLY: They kind of have to because their patriarch Jacob set a precedent
for it in Gen 48:5-6 when he claimed Joseph's two sons Manasseh and
Ephraim as his own; and made them tribal heads equal in position to Jacob's
natural sons Reuben and Simeon.
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FAQ: If Mary's body was sufficient to provide Jesus a biological connection to
David, then what real need was there for Joseph?
REPLY: David's throne passed down through his sons, beginning with
Solomon. Joseph was biologically related to Solomon, so his hooking up
with Mary and adopting her boy put Jesus in the running.
FAQ: Can the Jews accept Jesus' adoption as a valid qualification?
REPLY: They kind of have to because their patriarch Jacob set a precedent
for it in Gen 48:5-6 when he claimed Joseph's two sons Manasseh and
Ephraim as his own; and made them tribal heads equal in position to Jacob's
natural sons Reuben and Simeon.
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