How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?

[evyaniy]

Since people for the most part have not recognized that the Psalms are mainly Son, Father and Holy Spirit speaking and praying and praising One Another, it is a whole aspect of Scripture that is largely unexplored and untaught. It is also one of the most important aspects of Scripture since it reveals so much about Father, Son and Holy Spirit and Their interactions. It also reveals Them and Their relation to One Another as the One YAH and Creator and Eternal with Their Unified purpose in creation and our Salvation.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Since people for the most part have not recognized that the Psalms are mainly Son, Father and Holy Spirit speaking and praying and praising One Another, it is a whole aspect of Scripture that is largely unexplored and untaught. It is also one of the most important aspects of Scripture since it reveals so much about Father, Son and Holy Spirit and Their interactions. It also reveals Them and Their relation to One Another as the One YAH and Creator and Eternal with Their Unified purpose in creation and our Salvation.

here is YOUR Scripture Version, which DOES NOT match the Hebrew and is SUPPOSED to match the Hebrew.

110 The Lord says to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand,
until I make your enemies your footstool.”

here's the Hebrew:
1Of David a psalm. The word of the Lord to my master; "Wait for My right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool at your feet." אלְדָוִ֗ד מִ֫זְמ֥וֹר נְאֻ֚ם יְהֹוָ֨ה | לַֽאדֹנִ֗י שֵׁ֥ב לִֽימִינִ֑י עַד־אָשִׁ֥ית אֹֽ֜יְבֶ֗יךָ הֲדֹ֣ם לְרַגְלֶֽיךָ:

The Verse is SUPPOSED to Read, David is waiting for the Right Hand of God to make his enemies his footstool.

But YOUR Verse is God telling God to Sit.

One Verse God is in Action and the English has God SITTING.

The English Translation is SO FAR OFF, it ain't funny because Doctrines are made from this Verse

 

[SpeakTruth101]

RNKJV
Psalms 110:1,1 יהוה said unto my Master, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. "


Psalms 110:1,1 לְדָוִ֗ד H1732»of David מִ֫זְמ֥וֹר H4210»A Psalm נְאֻ֤ם H5002»said יְהוָ֨ה ׀ H3068»YHWH לַֽאדֹנִ֗י H113»unto my Lord שֵׁ֥ב H3427»Sit לִֽימִינִ֑י H3225»thou at my right hand עַד־ H5704»Until אָשִׁ֥ית H7896»until I make אֹ֝יְבֶ֗יךָ H341»thine enemies הֲדֹ֣ם H1916»stool לְרַגְלֶֽיךָ׃ H7272»your feet "

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

RNKJV
Psalms 110:1,1 יהוה said unto my Master, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. "


Psalms 110:1,1 לְדָוִ֗ד H1732»of David מִ֫זְמ֥וֹר H4210»A Psalm נְאֻ֤ם H5002»said יְהוָ֨ה ׀ H3068»YHWH לַֽאדֹנִ֗י H113»unto my Lord שֵׁ֥ב H3427»Sit לִֽימִינִ֑י H3225»thou at my right hand עַד־ H5704»Until אָשִׁ֥ית H7896»until I make אֹ֝יְבֶ֗יךָ H341»thine enemies הֲדֹ֣ם H1916»stool לְרַגְלֶֽיךָ׃ H7272»your feet "

no one who Follows God uses the masoretic for a proof text.

 

[evyaniy]

here is YOUR Scripture Version, which DOES NOT match the Hebrew and is SUPPOSED to match the Hebrew.

110 The Lord says to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand,
until I make your enemies your footstool.”

here's the Hebrew:
1Of David a psalm. The word of the Lord to my master; "Wait for My right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool at your feet." אלְדָוִ֗ד מִ֫זְמ֥וֹר נְאֻ֚ם יְהֹוָ֨ה | לַֽאדֹנִ֗י שֵׁ֥ב לִֽימִינִ֑י עַד־אָשִׁ֥ית אֹֽ֜יְבֶ֗יךָ הֲדֹ֣ם לְרַגְלֶֽיךָ:

The Verse is SUPPOSED to Read, David is waiting for the Right Hand of God to make his enemies his footstool.

But YOUR Verse is God telling God to Sit.

One Verse God is in Action and the English has God SITTING.

The English Translation is SO FAR OFF, it ain't funny because Doctrines are made from this Verse

The verse is quoted 4 or 5 times in the NT. Have you checked the Greek. Are those quotes of the verse wrong too? They quote it as it is translated in the Psalm 110.

 

[evyaniy]

Reposting a previous post since it was inadvertently used.

Since people for the most part have not recognized that the Psalms are mainly Son, Father and Holy Spirit speaking and praying and praising One Another, it is a whole aspect of Scripture that is largely unexplored and untaught. It is also one of the most important aspects of Scripture since it reveals so much about Father, Son and Holy Spirit and Their interactions. It also reveals Them and Their relation to One Another as the One YAH and Creator and Eternal with Their Unified purpose in creation and our Salvation.

 

[SpeakTruth101]

no one who Follows God uses the masoretic for a proof text.

DOes that make what I said wrong or are you splitting hairs? I used that because it also includes english and is easier to follow for most people, here try this one

Psalms 110:1,1 לְדָוִד H1732 מִזְמֹור H4210 נְאֻם H5002 יְהוָה H3068 לַאדֹנִי שֵׁב לִימִינִי עַד־אָשִׁית H7896 אֹיְבֶיךָ H341 הֲדֹם H1916 לְרַגְלֶיךָ H7272 "

 

[SpeakTruth101]

Reposting a previous post since it was inadvertently used.

Since people for the most part have not recognized that the Psalms are mainly Son, Father and Holy Spirit speaking and praying and praising One Another, it is a whole aspect of Scripture that is largely unexplored and untaught. It is also one of the most important aspects of Scripture since it reveals so much about Father, Son and Holy Spirit and Their interactions. It also reveals Them and Their relation to One Another as the One YAH and Creator and Eternal with Their Unified purpose in creation and our Salvation.

The Psalms are beautiful and very deep.

Psalms 63:1-4, “O Mighty One, You are my Strength; I earnestly seek You; My being has thirsted for You; My flesh has longed for You In a dry and thirsty land without water. Therefore I have had a vision of You In the set-apart place, To see Your power and Your esteem. Because Your loving-commitment is better than life, My lips do praise You. Therefore I bless You while I live; In Your Name I lift up my hands.”

 

[evyaniy]

not entering this disagreement. it has no basis and accomplishes nothing. also doing an ignore.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

GOD "is" Father-WORD-Son-Holy Spirit and Every Name and Title He has bestowed for Himself for Our Benefit.

GOD is SUPREME!

GOD is ONE!

GOD is Father!

GOD is LORD!

GOD is SPIRIT!

They are GOD so by being GOD makes ALL of God EQUAL to each Part and Role.

These Specific Roles are How God is defined by our limited Knowledge.

And the Roles are indeed Unique away from the Body of God as they are Connected to each Role of God.

And when I think I am properly SEEING God, I see, God as my Father, my LORD and Savior, and God's Spirit is living inside of me.

But to get to this point in Salvation, one must, Go through the Son to get to the Father!

And I Love how God has given Emphasis on His Messiah, for the whole world to Know as His Son!

And that He will Reign as KING of kings and LORD of lords.


You see, My Jesus, in Paul's words: our great God and Savior Jesus Christ: is at the Right Hand of God and is Equal and has been King of kings and Lord of lords [in waiting, but already had the Title] since His Ascension and "now" will be Coming SOON!


As I already pointed out, Psalms 110:1, has dual meaning.
But the One Meaning, specifically, is Prophetic towards Jesus STANDING [NOT SITTING] at the Right Hand [Waiting] of the Glory of God [Stephen's Vision].

 

[bluto]

Moreover, we learn that Wisdom was also an architect with God although wisdom was also created that is accrording to proverbs

proverbs 8 :22 The Lord formed me from the beginning,
before he created anything else.
Proverbs 8: 29
I was there when he set the limits of the seas,
so they would not spread beyond their boundaries.
And when he marked off the earth’s foundations,
30 I was the architect at his side.
I was his constant delight,
rejoicing always in his presence.
31 And how happy I was with the world he created;
how I rejoiced with the human family!
so i dont think the words in Genesis 1:26 is proof of the trinity

I have to ask if you are saying that Proverbs 8:22 is referring to Jesus Christ as being created?

In Him
bluto

 

[SpeakTruth101]

Proverbs 8:22,22 “יהוה possessed me, The beginning of His way, As the first of His works of old. "

Proverbs 8:22,22 יְֽהוָ֗ה H3068»YHWH קָ֭נָנִי H7069»possessed רֵאשִׁ֣ית H7225»me in the beginning דַּרְכּ֑וֹ H1870»of his way קֶ֖דֶם H6924»before מִפְעָלָ֣יו H4659»his works מֵאָֽז׃ H227»From "

 

[bluto]

Proverbs 8:22,22 “יהוה possessed me, The beginning of His way, As the first of His works of old. "

Proverbs 8:22,22 יְֽהוָ֗ה H3068»YHWH קָ֭נָנִי H7069»possessed רֵאשִׁ֣ית H7225»me in the beginning דַּרְכּ֑וֹ H1870»of his way קֶ֖דֶם H6924»before מִפְעָלָ֣יו H4659»his works מֵאָֽז׃ H227»From "

So what's your point? What does Proverbs 8:22 mean to you?

In Him,
bluto

 

[SpeakTruth101]

So what's your point? What does Proverbs 8:22 mean to you?

In Him,
bluto

I was just pointing out the origin text says YHWH, like PS 110:1 how most english translations are translated it easy to misunderstand who is who.

As for the meaning, i cant ay 100% because it is not clearly written but it seems Yahshua could be the "master workman" but also it does not say that outright in this passage and the "sons of Elohim" were there diring creation, but it seems like Yahshua/Jesus

Job 38:4-7, “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if you have understanding. Who set its measurements, if you know? Or who stretched the line upon it? Upon what were its foundations sunk? Or who laid its corner-stone, when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of the Elohim shouted for joy?”

Genesis 1:26, "And the Mighty One said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the livestock, and over all the earth and over all the creeping creatures that creep on the ground.”

Proverbs 8:22-30,22 “יהוה possessed me, The beginning of His way, As the first of His works of old. 23 “I was set up ages ago, at the first, Before the earth ever was. 24 “When there were no depths I was brought forth, When there were no springs heavy with water. 25 “Before mountains were sunk, Before the hills, I was brought forth, 26 “Before He had made the earth and the fields, Or the first dust of the world. 27 “When He prepared the heavens, I was there, When He inscribed a circle on the face of the deep, 28 “When He set the clouds above, When He made the fountains of the deep strong, 29 “When He gave to the sea its law, So that the waters would not transgress His mouth, When He inscribed the foundations of the earth, 30 “Then I was beside Him, a master workman, And I was His delight, day by day Rejoicing before Him all the time,”

John 1:3,3 All came to be through Him, and without Him not even one came to be that came to be."

Hebrews 1:2,, “has in these last days spoken to us by the Son, whom He has appointed heir of all, through whom also He made the ages,”

Hebrews 11:3, “By belief, we understand that the ages were prepared by the word of Elohim, so that what is seen was not made of what is visible.”

Psalms 33:6, “By the Word (H1697) of יהוה the heavens were made, And all their host by the Spirit of His mouth.”

“Word” is #H1697 דָּבָר dabar (daw-ɓaw') n-m.
1. a word., 2. a saying., 3. (by implication) a matter (as spoken of)., 4. (generically) a thing., 5. (adverbially) a cause., 6. (royally) a sovereign or royal edict, a matter or a word spoken by a king which carries the innate force of a royal command., 7. a chronicle (i.e. a record of events).

 

[bluto]

I was just pointing out the origin text says YHWH, like PS 110:1 how most english translations are translated it easy to misunderstand who is who.

As for the meaning, i cant ay 100% because it is not clearly written but it seems Yahshua could be the "master workman" but also it does not say that outright in this passage and the "sons of Elohim" were there diring creation, but it seems like Yahshua/Jesus

Job 38:4-7, “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if you have understanding. Who set its measurements, if you know? Or who stretched the line upon it? Upon what were its foundations sunk? Or who laid its corner-stone, when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of the Elohim shouted for joy?”

Genesis 1:26, "And the Mighty One said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the livestock, and over all the earth and over all the creeping creatures that creep on the ground.”

Proverbs 8:22-30,22 “יהוה possessed me, The beginning of His way, As the first of His works of old. 23 “I was set up ages ago, at the first, Before the earth ever was. 24 “When there were no depths I was brought forth, When there were no springs heavy with water. 25 “Before mountains were sunk, Before the hills, I was brought forth, 26 “Before He had made the earth and the fields, Or the first dust of the world. 27 “When He prepared the heavens, I was there, When He inscribed a circle on the face of the deep, 28 “When He set the clouds above, When He made the fountains of the deep strong, 29 “When He gave to the sea its law, So that the waters would not transgress His mouth, When He inscribed the foundations of the earth, 30 “Then I was beside Him, a master workman, And I was His delight, day by day Rejoicing before Him all the time,”

John 1:3,3 All came to be through Him, and without Him not even one came to be that came to be."

Hebrews 1:2,, “has in these last days spoken to us by the Son, whom He has appointed heir of all, through whom also He made the ages,”

Hebrews 11:3, “By belief, we understand that the ages were prepared by the word of Elohim, so that what is seen was not made of what is visible.”

Psalms 33:6, “By the Word (H1697) of יהוה the heavens were made, And all their host by the Spirit of His mouth.”

“Word” is #H1697 דָּבָר dabar (daw-ɓaw') n-m.
1. a word., 2. a saying., 3. (by implication) a matter (as spoken of)., 4. (generically) a thing., 5. (adverbially) a cause., 6. (royally) a sovereign or royal edict, a matter or a word spoken by a king which carries the innate force of a royal command., 7. a chronicle (i.e. a record of events).

What if I were to tell you that Proverbs 8 specifically vs 22 is not about Jesus Christ? Read Proverbs 8 (all of it) starting at vs1. Then read Proverbs 9 starting at vs1.

The subject is "wisdom," not Jesus Christ. You will notice that wisdom is described as a "her" a "she." In other words God used wisdom in all that He did.

Also, wisdom is an attribute of God and has always been with Him. Read 1 Corinthians 1:24 where the gospel of Jesus Christ reveals Gods wisdom.

In Him,
bluto

 

[SpeakTruth101]

What if I were to tell you that Proverbs 8 specifically vs 22 is not about Jesus Christ? Read Proverbs 8 (all of it) starting at vs1. Then read Proverbs 9 starting at vs1.

The subject is "wisdom," not Jesus Christ. You will notice that wisdom is described as a "her" a "she." In other words God used wisdom in all that He did.

Also, wisdom is an attribute of God and has always been with Him. Read 1 Corinthians 1:24 where the gospel of Jesus Christ reveals Gods wisdom.

In Him,
bluto

I didnt say it was I said it sems like, but I will read from the verses you stated.

 

[SpeakTruth101]

What if I were to tell you that Proverbs 8 specifically vs 22 is not about Jesus Christ? Read Proverbs 8 (all of it) starting at vs1. Then read Proverbs 9 starting at vs1.

The subject is "wisdom," not Jesus Christ. You will notice that wisdom is described as a "her" a "she." In other words God used wisdom in all that He did.

Also, wisdom is an attribute of God and has always been with Him. Read 1 Corinthians 1:24 where the gospel of Jesus Christ reveals Gods wisdom.

In Him,
bluto

OK so wisdom is the most heavily contexted topic for sure, nut I do think it possible it is talking about Yahshua because Yahshua is called the word in some places and the possibility does line up with those other verses I posted, but again I didn't say for sure, I said seemed, and possible, because Yah speaks things into existence and ruach and dabar is used:

Psalms 33:6, “By the Word (H1697) of יהוה the heavens were made, And all their host by the Spirit of His mouth.

“Word” is #H1697 דָּבָר dabar (daw-ɓaw') n-m.
1. a word., 2. a saying., 3. (by implication) a matter (as spoken of)., 4. (generically) a thing., 5. (adverbially) a cause., 6. (royally) a sovereign or royal edict, a matter or a word spoken by a king which carries the innate force of a royal command., 7. a chronicle (i.e. a record of events).

Dabar is the Hebrew equal to the Greek Logos, the verbal part of the ruach. But again cant say for sure because it is not clearly written, thank you for the insight, this one is currently more open to be either possibility since you said that.

 

[bluto]

I didnt say it was I said it sems like, but I will read from the verses you stated.

I understand. I'm not accusing you of anything. The Jehovah's Witnesses, Unitarians and others latch on Proverbs 2:22 to prove Jesus is a created being. They also use Revelation 3:14.

Jesus is the creator as Scripture states at John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:10 by His own Father and at Revelation 3:14.

In Him,
bluto

 

[montana123]

Do you believe they are not contradictory? Why?
Do you rely on faith to believe they are consistent with each other? Is that an excuse or a reason?

Inquiring minds want to know! Leave your answers below, eh.

Here are some things to consider.

God said you shall have no gods before me, and Israel was not taught there was a trinity but always believed there was only one God the Father.

Why did God allow the Israelites to believe there was only one God, and not a trinity.

The Bible says hear O' Israel the LORD our God is one LORD.

The New Testament says but to us there is but one God the Father, and there is one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Why does the New Testament only refer to the Father as God.

Why was Jesus conceived by the Holy Spirit the 3rd person of the trinity, and not God the Son if there is a trinity.

Jesus said baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, which that name is Jesus.

Jesus said He comes in the name of the Father, and the Son inherited the name from the Father, and the Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

So it appears that Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and those are not names but titles.

Also in the book of Acts Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritans were all baptized in the name of Jesus.

Is there a trinity or is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit the 3 relationships God has with His children designated by titles.

In the Old Testament Adam was created in God's image.

In the New Testament Adam was made in the similitude of Christ.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, which means God already had the plan to come in the future in flesh before He created Adam, and created Adam in the image He would show up in the future which is an innocent nature in flesh.

So the let us make man in our image has to include the man Christ Jesus for He is part of that image.

So is this speaking of a trinity or God the Father, and the man Christ Jesus.

Jesus is at the right hand of God.

God's right hand represents power, wisdom, and salvation.

Jesus said all power has been given me in heaven and earth.

There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

There is one throne in heaven and one who sits on that throne.

Which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

David said the LORD said unto my Lord, sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool.

Which the Son must reign until all His enemies are conquered, and then the Son shall submit to the Father that God may be all in all.

So the Father exalted the man Christ Jesus to be at His right hand, exercise the throne of power, until His enemies are conquered, and then the Son shall submit to the Father, stop being at the right hand, stop exercising the throne of power, that God may be all in all.

So Jesus at the right hand is a temporary role, and since there is only one throne in heaven, and one who sits on that throne, then Jesus is the only person that we will see in heaven.

Which Jesus told Philip that if he had seen Him then He has seen the Father, and it is the Father that dwells in Him that does the works.

Is there a trinity which I believe there is not a trinity.

They say there is 3 persons in one God, and then they say God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, which then they are saying there is 3 Gods.

Thou shalt have no other gods before me which they had better think upon that greatly if they believe in a trinity.

 

[SpeakTruth101]

I understand. I'm not accusing you of anything. The Jehovah's Witnesses, Unitarians and others latch on Proverbs 2:22 to prove Jesus is a created being. They also use Revelation 3:14.

Jesus is the creator as Scripture states at John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:10 by His own Father and at Revelation 3:14.

In Him,
bluto

I dont agree with JW's on a ton of stuff,

John 1:3, “All came to be through Him, and without Him not even one came to be that came to be.”

Hebrews 1:2,, “has in these last days spoken to us by the Son, whom He has appointed heir of all, through whom also He made the ages,”

Hebrews 11:3, “By belief, we understand that the ages were prepared by the word of Elohim, so that what is seen was not made of what is visible.”

I think YHWH created "through Him" is more accurate.

Also about Heb 1:10, its a quote from Psalms 102:25-27 and it's the Father in context יהוה, and I think that confirms the "through" thing in the above verses

Hebrews 1:10-12,10 And, “You, Master, did found the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of Your hands. 11 “They shall perish, but You remain. And they shall all grow old like a garment, 12 and like a mantle You shall fold them up, and they shall be changed. But You are the same, and Your years shall not fail.”

Psalms 102:25-27,25 “You (יהוה) did found the earth of old, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. 26 “They shall perish, but You remain; And all of them grow old like a garment; You change them like a coat, And they are changed. 27 “But You are the same, And Your years have no end.”

Psalms 102:21-28,21 To declare the Name of יהוה in Tsiyon, And His praise in Yerushalayim, 22 When peoples gather together, And reigns, to serve יהוה. 23 He has humbled my strength in the way; He has shortened my days. 24 I said, “O my Ěl, Do not take me away in the midst of my days; Your years are throughout all generations. 25 “You did found the earth of old, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. 26 “They shall perish, but You remain; And all of them grow old like a garment; You change them like a coat, And they are changed. 27 “But You are the same, And Your years have no end. 28 “The sons of Your servants continue, And their seed is established before You.”

Hopefully we both gained from this, I did.