How do you reconcile the first Commandment with the trinity?
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I know about the stamping thing, forget the source.
Hebrews 1:3This Son is the radiance (apaugasma | ἀπαύγασμα | nom sg neut) of his glory and the exact representation of his nature, and although sustaining all there is by the word of his power, yet made purification for sins, and then sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, https://www.billmounce.com/greek-dictionary/apaugasma
https://versebyversecommentary.com/...ates the glory,the manifestation of His being.
Hebrews 1:3This Son is the radiance (apaugasma | ἀπαύγασμα | nom sg neut) of his glory and the exact representation of his nature, and although sustaining all there is by the word of his power, yet made purification for sins, and then sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, https://www.billmounce.com/greek-dictionary/apaugasma
https://versebyversecommentary.com/...ates the glory,the manifestation of His being.
That is definitely some good Works you have going. Seriously, I am impressed! Well Done, Brother!
I absolutely believe God is Triune, I just don't see it being three Persons, but the 3 Roles we Know God holds [Father/Son/Holy Spirit]
And when we are "point blank" told, the Father literally DWELLS inside the WORD made flesh, doing the Father's Works, it's STILL the Father, on the THRONE + inside the WORD on Earth, doing the Father's [God] Works. It seems like it's the Father who is doing everything and doing it through the Physical and Spiritual.
I absolutely believe God is Triune, I just don't see it being three Persons, but the 3 Roles we Know God holds [Father/Son/Holy Spirit]
And when we are "point blank" told, the Father literally DWELLS inside the WORD made flesh, doing the Father's Works, it's STILL the Father, on the THRONE + inside the WORD on Earth, doing the Father's [God] Works. It seems like it's the Father who is doing everything and doing it through the Physical and Spiritual.
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The word "the" is a definite article that designates a certain one, as in "Joe, the doorman (the one and only doorman, Joe)." The indefinite article is used when no particular one is being distinguished among the others, as in, "Joe, a doorman (among doorman)." God is not a Father, a Son, and a Holy Spirit. God is The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.
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Psalm 110:1
To make it even more intriguing, Psalm 110 is the Holy Spirit speaking throughout. Considering that when reading verse 1, the Holy Spirit is calling the Son His Adown which is Hebrew word H113 and means Master or Lord.
110:1 YHVH(the Father) says to My(the Spirit) 'Adown(the Son), “Sit at My right hand,
until I make Your enemies Your footstool for Your feet.”
ʼâdôwn, aw-done'; or (shortened) אָדֹן ʼâdôn; from an unused root (meaning to rule); sovereign, i.e. controller (human or divine):—lord, master, owner.
To make it even more intriguing, Psalm 110 is the Holy Spirit speaking throughout. Considering that when reading verse 1, the Holy Spirit is calling the Son His Adown which is Hebrew word H113 and means Master or Lord.
110:1 YHVH(the Father) says to My(the Spirit) 'Adown(the Son), “Sit at My right hand,
until I make Your enemies Your footstool for Your feet.”
ʼâdôwn, aw-done'; or (shortened) אָדֹן ʼâdôn; from an unused root (meaning to rule); sovereign, i.e. controller (human or divine):—lord, master, owner.
I have read this Thread a dozen times + every addition. And I have concluded one thing.
If we took the Father and placed Him in front of the Mirror, He looks like the Son. So, if we take the Son and place Him in front of a Mirror, we see the Father. Like Twins but one is Invisible and one is Visible. They are the Same and yet, they are Not, One is Flesh and Spirit, One is Spirit and No Flesh.
It is baffling how much they are the Same and the flesh makes them different.
But the Father Dwells in the Flesh doing His Works, but He is Not of the Flesh, the WORD/Son is.
They are so entwined it is Incredible!
If we took the Father and placed Him in front of the Mirror, He looks like the Son. So, if we take the Son and place Him in front of a Mirror, we see the Father. Like Twins but one is Invisible and one is Visible. They are the Same and yet, they are Not, One is Flesh and Spirit, One is Spirit and No Flesh.
It is baffling how much they are the Same and the flesh makes them different.
But the Father Dwells in the Flesh doing His Works, but He is Not of the Flesh, the WORD/Son is.
They are so entwined it is Incredible!
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Yet the Son submits Himself to His Father and the Spirit submits Himself to the Son and Father. The Spirit communicates to them both.
Psalms 20 and 21 are excellent examples of this.
Psalm 20
For the Chief Musician. A Psalm by David.
(Spirit to Son about Father)
20:1 May YHVH answer You in the day of trouble.
May the Name of the 'Elohiym of Jacob
set You up on high,
20:2 send You help from the sanctuary,
grant You support from Zion,
20:3 remember all Your offerings,
and accept Your burnt sacrifice.
Selah.
20:4 May He grant You Your heart’s desire,
and fulfill all Your plans.
20:5 We will triumph in Your Salvation. (Yĕshuw`ah)
In the Name of our 'Elohiym, we will set up our banners.
May YHVH grant all Your requests.
(Spirit about Father and Son)
20:6 Now I know that YHVH saves
His Anointed (Mashiyach, Messiah).
He will answer Him from His holy heaven,
with the saving strength of His right hand.
(Spirit praying in union with believers)
20:7 Some trust in chariots, and some in horses,
but we trust the Name of YHVH our 'Elohiym.
20:8 they are bowed down and fallen,
but we rise up, and stand upright.
(Spirit to Father about Son saving us)
20:9 Save, YHVH!
Let the King answer us when we call!
Psalm 21
For the Chief Musician. A Psalm by David.
(Spirit to Father about Son)
21:1 The King rejoices in Your strength, YHVH!
How greatly He rejoices in Your Salvation! (Yĕshuw`ah)
21:2 You have given Him His heart’s desire,
and have not withheld the request of His lips.
Selah.
21:3 For You meet Him with the blessings of goodness.
You set a crown of fine gold on His head.
21:4 He asked life of You, You gave it to Him,
even length of days forever and ever.
21:5 His Glory is Great in Your Salvation. (Yĕshuw`ah)
You lay Honor and Majesty on Him.
21:6 For You make Him Most Blessed forever.
You make Him glad with joy in Your presence.
21:7 For the King trusts in YHVH.
Through the mercy of the Most High ('Elyown),
He shall not be moved.
(Spirit to Son)
21:8 Your Hand will find out all of Your enemies.
Your Right Hand will find out those who hate You.
21:9 You will make them as a fiery furnace
in the time of Your anger.
YHVH will swallow them up in His wrath.
The fire shall devour them.
21:10 You will destroy their descendants from the earth,
their posterity from among the children of men.
21:11 For they intended evil against You.
They plotted evil against You which cannot succeed.
21:12 For You will make them turn their back,
when You aim drawn bows at their face.
(Spirit to Father praying in union with believers. we)
21:13 Be exalted, YHVH, in Your strength,
so we will sing and praise Your power.
Psalms 20 and 21 are excellent examples of this.
Psalm 20
For the Chief Musician. A Psalm by David.
(Spirit to Son about Father)
20:1 May YHVH answer You in the day of trouble.
May the Name of the 'Elohiym of Jacob
set You up on high,
20:2 send You help from the sanctuary,
grant You support from Zion,
20:3 remember all Your offerings,
and accept Your burnt sacrifice.
Selah.
20:4 May He grant You Your heart’s desire,
and fulfill all Your plans.
20:5 We will triumph in Your Salvation. (Yĕshuw`ah)
In the Name of our 'Elohiym, we will set up our banners.
May YHVH grant all Your requests.
(Spirit about Father and Son)
20:6 Now I know that YHVH saves
His Anointed (Mashiyach, Messiah).
He will answer Him from His holy heaven,
with the saving strength of His right hand.
(Spirit praying in union with believers)
20:7 Some trust in chariots, and some in horses,
but we trust the Name of YHVH our 'Elohiym.
20:8 they are bowed down and fallen,
but we rise up, and stand upright.
(Spirit to Father about Son saving us)
20:9 Save, YHVH!
Let the King answer us when we call!
Psalm 21
For the Chief Musician. A Psalm by David.
(Spirit to Father about Son)
21:1 The King rejoices in Your strength, YHVH!
How greatly He rejoices in Your Salvation! (Yĕshuw`ah)
21:2 You have given Him His heart’s desire,
and have not withheld the request of His lips.
Selah.
21:3 For You meet Him with the blessings of goodness.
You set a crown of fine gold on His head.
21:4 He asked life of You, You gave it to Him,
even length of days forever and ever.
21:5 His Glory is Great in Your Salvation. (Yĕshuw`ah)
You lay Honor and Majesty on Him.
21:6 For You make Him Most Blessed forever.
You make Him glad with joy in Your presence.
21:7 For the King trusts in YHVH.
Through the mercy of the Most High ('Elyown),
He shall not be moved.
(Spirit to Son)
21:8 Your Hand will find out all of Your enemies.
Your Right Hand will find out those who hate You.
21:9 You will make them as a fiery furnace
in the time of Your anger.
YHVH will swallow them up in His wrath.
The fire shall devour them.
21:10 You will destroy their descendants from the earth,
their posterity from among the children of men.
21:11 For they intended evil against You.
They plotted evil against You which cannot succeed.
21:12 For You will make them turn their back,
when You aim drawn bows at their face.
(Spirit to Father praying in union with believers. we)
21:13 Be exalted, YHVH, in Your strength,
so we will sing and praise Your power.
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God the Father has the ABUNDANCE of the Glory, don't be so shallow, a 5th grader could understand this concept. No man has ever looked upon the Father, men looked upon Jesus, the Holy Spirit lives in our hearts, God the Father could not live in a human being.
Electricity is electricity, but some will kill you, some will barley shock you. The Abundance of the Glory resides with the Father. Whether you ever get this or not is not relevant unto the facts.
Electricity is electricity, but some will kill you, some will barley shock you. The Abundance of the Glory resides with the Father. Whether you ever get this or not is not relevant unto the facts.
No, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are separate personas, see Genesis, it says LET US create man in OUR image and in OUR likeness. The Father does not dwell in the son because the Father has all the Glory, the Father's ESSENCE (His likeness) dwell in the son. Meaning the Father and Son are the same in spirit as in LIKENESS as in ESSENCE, as in Love, Joy, Peace, Hope, Truthfulness etc. etc. God has the abundance of the glory however.
What you miss there is CONTEXT, Jesus is speaking about the Spirit of the Father, not the Fulness of the Father. Jesus and the Father are one in SPIRIT (Essence or Likeness) but not in Abundance of the Glory.
Lets say I have a 50 trillion gallon tank and every drop of water has the exact same chemical makeup. I can drink one pint and I have drunk the exact same water as an Elephant who can drink maybe 20 gallons, but God the Father re[resents the FULL 50 Trillion Gallons, meanwhile Jesus and the Holy Spirit can be just like the Father in essence, but still not be the Father. Just like the 20 gallons is exactly the same as the 50 trillion gallon s in essence or likeness, but nor in the fulness of the glory. 50 Trillion Gallons is a lot different in "GLORY" than the 1 pint or 20 gallons, yet we can drink from the Pint, the 20 gallons or the 50 trillion gallons and all will taste the same.
What you miss there is CONTEXT, Jesus is speaking about the Spirit of the Father, not the Fulness of the Father. Jesus and the Father are one in SPIRIT (Essence or Likeness) but not in Abundance of the Glory.
Lets say I have a 50 trillion gallon tank and every drop of water has the exact same chemical makeup. I can drink one pint and I have drunk the exact same water as an Elephant who can drink maybe 20 gallons, but God the Father re[resents the FULL 50 Trillion Gallons, meanwhile Jesus and the Holy Spirit can be just like the Father in essence, but still not be the Father. Just like the 20 gallons is exactly the same as the 50 trillion gallon s in essence or likeness, but nor in the fulness of the glory. 50 Trillion Gallons is a lot different in "GLORY" than the 1 pint or 20 gallons, yet we can drink from the Pint, the 20 gallons or the 50 trillion gallons and all will taste the same.
Genesis 3 "And lo man has become like one of us knowing good and evil" so according to you basically other than man and the Persons of God, no other beings in the whole Universe know Good and evil ... i dont think the image of God necesarily means his appearance but more of his nature as Ephesians 4:24 says " Instead, let the Spirit renew your thoughts and attitudes. 24 Put on your new nature, created to be like God—truly righteous and holy." and i would like to think God sorrounds himslef with Holy beings...now with regards to creating...I think the heavenly hosts marveled at his creation not as the creators byt like people admiring a work of art
"Job 38 4-7
Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell me, if you know so much.
5 Who determined its dimensions
and stretched out the surveying line?
6 What supports its foundations,
and who laid its cornerstone
7 as the morning stars sang together
and all the angels[a] shouted for joy
another verse
Isaiah 6 "In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord, high and exalted, seated on a throne; and the train of his robe filled the temple. 2 Above him were seraphim, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying. 3 And they were calling to one another:
“Holy, holy, holy is the Lord Almighty;
the whole earth is full of his glory."
verse 8 "Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?"
so there is one lord sitting on that throne and he is asking who will go for us....who is the us? and dont try to say the trinity man
another chapter
Genesis 11:5-9
But the Lord came down to look at the city and the tower the people were building. 6 “Look!” he said. “The people are united, and they all speak the same language. After this, nothing they set out to do will be impossible for them! 7 Come, let’s go down and confuse the people with different languages. Then they won’t be able to understand each other.
In that way, the Lord scattered them all over the world, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why the city was called Babel,[b] because that is where the Lord confused the people with different languages. In this way he scattered them all over the world.
look at the wordings
"Come, let Us go down....(nkjv) so this means that these other beings with him are not part of him but i would say part of a cohort or something like accompany me somewhere they are not like fused together in some way but like separated beings...however after this it was attributed to the Lord not other beings who actually went with him just like in Job 1
Other verses
Job 1:12 "All right, you may test him,” the Lord said to Satan. “Do whatever you want with everything he possesses, but don’t harm him physically.” So Satan left the Lord’s presence."
Job 2:3 "Then the Lord asked Satan, “Have you noticed my servant Job? He is the finest man in all the earth. He is blameless—a man of complete integrity. He fears God and stays away from evil. And he has maintained his integrity, even though you urged me to harm him without cause.”
so who do we accredit Job's harm was it Satan or God....
so i dont think gen 1:26 is proof of trinity
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part of what makes Jesus unique is being entirely man....if you read the book of Deutoronomy 18
Deut 18:15-16 Moses continued, “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. 16 For this is what you yourselves requested of the Lord your God when you were assembled at Mount Sinai.[b] You said, ‘Don’t let us hear the voice of the Lord our God anymore or see this blazing fire, for we will die.’
so Jesus who we all know as God knew he would not come as God to save mankind but as a man and prophet, all things applying to prophets would also apply to this man Jesus christ including experineicng the guidance of the Holy spirit just like the OT prophets...he was not to have an advantage of any sort ....probably wisdom ....just like you know with his glory he could have known the woman who touched his cloak or the day or the hour but he did not not because he couldn't but because he was human....he humbled himself to that extent....that doesn't necessarily make him a different person.... so it makes alot of sense that this man Jesus christ would actually be filled with the Holy spirit and be led into the desert.
with regards to the voice
in the transfiguration, the voice came from the cloud so where was God the Father, in heaven or in the cloud?
Matthew 17:5 "While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him"
Revelations 21:3-4 "I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, “Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them.[a] 4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or sorrow or crying or pain. All these things are gone forever.”
so if the voice is from the throne and we know the throne beolngs to God....whose voice is that
2 peter 1:16-18 "For we were not making up clever stories when we told you about the powerful coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. We saw his majestic splendor with our own eyes 17 when he received honor and glory from God the Father. The voice from the majestic glory of God said to him, “This is my dearly loved Son, who brings me great joy.”[f] 18 We ourselves heard that voice from heaven when we were with him on the holy mountain"
Peter reffers to the voice not as HIS VOICE but as THE VOICE and he proceeds to say that the voice was from the majestic glory of God and we learn that Christ left his glory in heaven and came to us in the glory of a man....
also there is no single text in scripture where Jesus has been reffered to as God the son ...thats a fabrication
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Moreover, we learn that Wisdom was also an architect with God although wisdom was also created that is accrording to proverbs
proverbs 8 :22 The Lord formed me from the beginning,
before he created anything else.
Proverbs 8: 29
I was there when he set the limits of the seas,
so they would not spread beyond their boundaries.
And when he marked off the earth’s foundations,
30 I was the architect at his side.
I was his constant delight,
rejoicing always in his presence.
31 And how happy I was with the world he created;
how I rejoiced with the human family!
so i dont think the words in Genesis 1:26 is proof of the trinity
proverbs 8 :22 The Lord formed me from the beginning,
before he created anything else.
Proverbs 8: 29
I was there when he set the limits of the seas,
so they would not spread beyond their boundaries.
And when he marked off the earth’s foundations,
30 I was the architect at his side.
I was his constant delight,
rejoicing always in his presence.
31 And how happy I was with the world he created;
how I rejoiced with the human family!
so i dont think the words in Genesis 1:26 is proof of the trinity
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The fact that the Holy Spirit is speaking and praying(with us and for us) and praising Father and Son in various Psalms is phenomenal revelation. Think about what it means and what it reveals. We get to know and hear and understand the Holy Spirit in action and learn about His roll in our Salvation and how He performs it.
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That is why knowing the Psalms are mostly Son, Father and Holy Spirit in communication is so important. It reveals Them to us and Their Personal words and prayers to Each Other. Try to grasp that and what we can learn from it. It also proves beyond any doubt that the Scriptures are true and the Son is without question the Messiah and Savior of the world.
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FAQ: Why does the Watchtower Society capitalize God in John 10:28 when
that spelling contradicts their opposition to Jesus' deity?
REPLY: It is a Watchtower Society rule of grammar that capitalization is
required when the Greek word "theos" is modified by the article "ho".
However, I don't recommend making an issue of capitalization in this
particular case because skilled Witnesses can easily dodge that bullet.
Instead, focus the attention upon Thomas' possessive pronoun because he
didn't just declare that Jesus is a deity, instead he declared that Jesus is
"my" deity.
Now if Thomas was a Jew; then his association with Jehovah was governed
by the covenant that Moses' people entered into with God per Exodus,
Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. The very first of the covenant's ten
commandments forbids Jews to have more than one deity.
Jesus would've been in violation too because the Jews' covenant required
him to protest.
● Lev 19:17 . .You should by all means reprove your associate, that you may
not bear sin along with him.
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FAQ: Why does the Watchtower Society capitalize God in John 10:28 when
that spelling contradicts their opposition to Jesus' deity?
REPLY: It is a Watchtower Society rule of grammar that capitalization is
required when the Greek word "theos" is modified by the article "ho".
However, I don't recommend making an issue of capitalization in this
particular case because skilled Witnesses can easily dodge that bullet.
Instead, focus the attention upon Thomas' possessive pronoun because he
didn't just declare that Jesus is a deity, instead he declared that Jesus is
"my" deity.
Now if Thomas was a Jew; then his association with Jehovah was governed
by the covenant that Moses' people entered into with God per Exodus,
Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. The very first of the covenant's ten
commandments forbids Jews to have more than one deity.
Jesus would've been in violation too because the Jews' covenant required
him to protest.
● Lev 19:17 . .You should by all means reprove your associate, that you may
not bear sin along with him.
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