Paul saw the ten commandments as part of the "ministry of death."

[SpeakTruth101]

You claim a change in "yodhs" Yahshua/Jesus says no change in "yodhs" till heaven and earth pass, I will take His word over yours.

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away,..."

Many "yodh"'s have passed away... the Temple, and all corresponding, ritual laws, have been destroyed... those should definitely be counted as "yodhs". (Just as an aside, this is an English-speaking site... though I'm not a Mod and hold no authority... the site does request that we speak in English... why do you insist on mixing languages in your posts?) Are you insinuating that Jesus was confused?

The texts were written in Hebrew and Greek so it's imo important to understand the root words especially in places where translation may noy capture the original meaning fully. As you will see in this post, the word change is used but in Greek it is 2 different words:

G3346 "change"

G3331 "change"

The book of Hebrews deals with the transferral of the priesthood, those Laws are active in the heavenly Taberbacle

Hebrews 8:4-5, "Now if he were on earth, he would not be a priest at all, since there are priests who offer gifts according to the law. They serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things. For when Moses was about to erect the tent, he was instructed by God, saying, “See that you make everything according to the pattern that was shown you on the mountain.”

Hebrews 7:11-12, “Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed (#G3346), there is made of necessity a change (#G3331) also of the law.”

“For the priesthood being changed (#G3346), there is made of necessity a change (#G3331) also of the law.”

G3346 "change" is an abolishing of one (priesthood Levitical) and establishment of another (priesthood (after the order of Melchizedek)

G3331 "change" is a transfer (the law) form the Levitical to the order of Melchizedek

Hebrews 9:11-12, "But the Messiah came near as a High Priest over the righteous things to come, with the great and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation; Nor through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once, for all, having obtained eternal redemption."

 

[SpeakTruth101]

Paul opposed Judaizers... and putting oneself back under the law.

Know that a man is not justified by works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have believed in Christ Jesus,
that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Following the Laws/COmmands as Yahshua/Jesus said is not "judiizing" also the Jewish people were under pharisee rule, they made their own man made laws...

Jesus said so:

Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of YHWH by your traditions?"

2 Peter 3:15-17, “15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability. “

1 Peter 2:24, "who Himself bore our sins in His body on the timber, so that we, having died to sins, might live unto righteousness, by whose stripes you were healed.”

Isaiah 53:4-5, “Truly, He has borne our sicknesses and carried our pains. Yet we reckoned Him smitten·, stricken by YHWH, and afflicted. But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our crookedness. The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed.”

1 Samuel 12:24, “Only fear יהוה, and you shall serve Him in truth with all your heart, for consider what marvels He has done for you.”

1 John 4:19, “We love Him because He first loved us.”

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

 

[Ted01]

Paul opposed Judaizers... and putting oneself back under the law.

Know that a man is not justified by works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have believed in Christ Jesus,
that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Amen!!

It goes deeper... when speaking to the Galatians, Paul said (in regard to Judaizers/Torah observance):

Gal. 1:6-9 (ESV)
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

 

[Magenta]

Oh that’s a pretty one Jesus looks cool on there

can I ask sister what do you read in this section of scripture

“As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; and having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come;

but the body is of Christ.

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, and not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:6-19‬ ‭

when you read that , what are some of your thoughts ? I love your panels but your thoughts are always biblical and I was wondering about your take there ? I see certain things which is obvious but was wondering about a different pair of eyes and ears that I’ve come to trust a bit ….

My first thought is that your understanding of Scripture is far more nuanced than mine, which is, by my own estimation, quite simple. I also think you have had many more years to study out these things, and have a great deal of patience in dealing with others which I do not possess either .. I believe those who argue for the continuance of the law do so as if Christians are to be under it when it is plainly stated we are not, which in and of itself is not a licence to sin, though it is often presented as such. The law remains to condemn those not covered by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Christ.

Colossians 2:13-14

 

[Magenta]

Amen!!

It goes deeper... when speaking to the Galatians, Paul said (in regard to Judaizers/Torah observance):

Gal. 1:6-9 (ESV)
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

Yes, I did think of that Oh! Foolish Galatians verse...

Galatians 3:10
Ha that is not the panel I was looking for but it is oh so apropos! .

The verse: Are you so foolish? After starting in the Spirit, are you now finishing in the flesh?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Paul opposed Judaizers... and putting oneself back under the law.

Know that a man is not justified by works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have believed in Christ Jesus,
that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

One hundred percent and the Jews were Keats trying to kill Paul because he had renounced Judaism and embraced Christianity they were so dedicated to some laws given in stone and written in a book by a mediator that when the lord and savior came to them they rejected him based on what was written down in that stone and book law

aid you notice in the gospel constantly Pharisees we’re asking Jesus what he thought of Moses words in the law they did it to try to find some sort of accusation against him to discredit him because his power was winning over the people and they were starting to follow Jesus rather than the sadducees Pharisees and priests of Moses law

the rich and privileged of the people controlled them with Moses law but they were wicked judges and had ulterior motives of greed and pride and lusts of many kinds they tried to impose every jot and tittle on everyone else but they themselves didn’t follow the important points of the law themselves it didn’t end with the gospel some believed Jesus but also tried to re impose all those laws they never kept on everyone else which isn’t part of Christianity

Its part of peters point when the apostles gathered to discuss the issue of trying to put Moses law upon Jesus disciples

“But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

( Peter is the first to speak )
And when there had been much disputing,( like we’re still doing ) Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. and put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, ( Jew ) even as they.”( gentile )
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15:5-7, 9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Peter says it would be to tempt God to go back to the law of Moses after you become a disciple of Jesus

james says this of the issue it’s a sin version of the soul

“forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we have the holy spirit , why would we be trying to look at hindreds of commands to people who never had the holy spirit in them ?

 

[SpeakTruth101]

They only quote Paul...

John/Yahanan 14:26, "But the Comforter – the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you."

John/Yahanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

 

[SpeakTruth101]

One hundred percent and the Jews were Keats trying to kill Paul because he had renounced Judaism and embraced Christianity they were so dedicated to some laws given in stone and written in a book by a mediator that when the lord and savior came to them they rejected him based on what was written down in that stone and book law

aid you notice in the gospel constantly Pharisees we’re asking Jesus what he thought of Moses words in the law they did it to try to find some sort of accusation against him to discredit him because his power was winning over the people and they were starting to follow Jesus rather than the sadducees Pharisees and priests of Moses law

the rich and privileged of the people controlled them with Moses law but they were wicked judges and had ulterior motives of greed and pride and lusts of many kinds they tried to impose every jot and tittle on everyone else but they themselves didn’t follow the important points of the law themselves it didn’t end with the gospel some believed Jesus but also tried to re impose all those laws they never kept on everyone else which isn’t part of Christianity

Its part of peters point when the apostles gathered to discuss the issue of trying to put Moses law upon Jesus disciples

“But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

( Peter is the first to speak )
And when there had been much disputing,( like we’re still doing ) Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. and put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, ( Jew ) even as they.”( gentile )
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15:5-7, 9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Peter says it would be to tempt God to go back to the law of Moses after you become a disciple of Jesus

james says this of the issue it’s a sin version of the soul

“forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we have the holy spirit , why would we be trying to look at hindreds of commands to people who never had the holy spirit in them ?

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

[Magenta]

Romans 10-13 + Galatians 3:5~ Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.
Does God lavish His Spirit on you and work miracles among you because you obey the law, or because you hear and believe?

 

[SpeakTruth101]

they only quote Paul and try to spam out anything else.

James 2:19-20, "You believe that YHWH is one. (Deu 6:4) You do well. The demons also believe – and shudder! But do you wish to know, O foolish man, that the belief without the works is dead?"

Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”

Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”

James 2:22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?"

 

[Ted01]

You claim a change in "yodhs" Yahshua/Jesus says no change in "yodhs" till heaven and earth pass, I will take His word over yours.

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away,..."



The texts were written in Hebrew and Greek so it's imo important to understand the root words especially in places where translation may noy capture the original meaning fully. As you will see in this post, the word change is used but in Greek it is 2 different words:

G3346 "change"

G3331 "change"

The book of Hebrews deals with the transferral of the priesthood, those Laws are active in the heavenly Taberbacle

Hebrews 8:4-5, "Now if he were on earth, he would not be a priest at all, since there are priests who offer gifts according to the law. They serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things. For when Moses was about to erect the tent, he was instructed by God, saying, “See that you make everything according to the pattern that was shown you on the mountain.”

Hebrews 7:11-12, “Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed (#G3346), there is made of necessity a change (#G3331) also of the law.”

“For the priesthood being changed (#G3346), there is made of necessity a change (#G3331) also of the law.”

G3346 "change" is an abolishing of one (priesthood Levitical) and establishment of another (priesthood (after the order of Melchizedek)

G3331 "change" is a transfer (the law) form the Levitical to the order of Melchizedek

Hebrews 9:11-12, "But the Messiah came near as a High Priest over the righteous things to come, with the great and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation; Nor through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once, for all, having obtained eternal redemption."

Mosty scholars say that that "G3346 & 3331" are synonyms... they mean virtually the same thing... and your rendition is incorrect. Regardless, both carry the idea that there is "desertion" and/or translation. And in both instances, in Hebrews, the author is clearly telling us that there has been a MASSIVE change between the Old and the New.

Yes, Jesus is the new high priest (another yodh that has passed away) but also, that He is mediating over a New Covenant and new law. In other parts of Scripture (including Hebrews), this idea is clearly articulated.

You're preaching an old heresy, that Paul, in Scripture, told us to be wary of. If you love it, fine... God doesn't.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

My first thought is that your understanding of Scripture is far more nuanced than mine, which is, by my own estimation, quite simple. I also think you have had many more years to study out these things, and have a great deal of patience in dealing with others which I do not possess either .. I believe those who argue for the continuance of the law do so as if Christians are to be under it when it is plainly stated we are not, which in and of itself is not a licence to sin, though it is often presented as such. The law remains to condemn those not covered by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Christ.

Colossians 2:13-14

Yeah I know some scripture but what really begins to open it up for me is when others talk about what it says to them Also sometimes an alternative view , not just of what one might think but what they learn from the same scriptures I’m reading of that makes sense

not trying to compare or compete who knows what or who’s “false “ or “ right “ but just get some various thoughts about what the scripture actually is saying in longer sections in the open because sometimes I know from my own experience I can read a chapter ten times but then someone might say “ did you. Price this part ? And then I’ll notice something I had t to add to what I had seen and noticed

I’m not sure ot makes sense but thank you for the information there and I agree if we reject Jesus then the law is all that’s left but wow who would choose this

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

over this

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16, 19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Its confounding but I’m pretty sure this is why

“But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:7, 12-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

sits not that to read Moses is bad but to read Moses not understanding who’s word is the lords everlasting word is not at all a good idea

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

How could we then wonder about the right word as Christian’s ? Only if we thought Moses has the final word but even Moses said he didn’t in his law lol I wish we could all go start learning and believing the gospel ….this would be so much more enjoyable and we would all be edifying each other

 

[SpeakTruth101]

Mosty scholars say that that "G3346 & 3331" are synonyms... they mean virtually the same thing... and your rendition is incorrect. Regardless, both carry the idea that there is "desertion" and/or translation. And in both instances, in Hebrews, the author is clearly telling us that there has been a MASSIVE change between the Old and the New.

Yes, Jesus is the new high priest (another yodh that has passed away) but also, that He is mediating over a New Covenant and new law. In other parts of Scripture (including Hebrews), this idea is clearly articulated.

You're preaching an old heresy, that Paul, in Scripture, told us to be wary of. If you love it, fine... God doesn't.

Im using a Strongs C.ncordance and Thayers Greek Lexion, that what they say. and if you read Greek at all you will see they have similar but different meanings.

Neither mean to destroy...

G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi (me-ta-tiy'-thee-miy) v.
1. to transfer
2. (literally) to transport.
3. (by implication) to exchange.
4. (reflexively) to change sides.
5. (figuratively) to pervert.
[from G3326 and G5087]
KJV: carry over, change, remove, translate, turn
Root(s): G3326, G5087


μετατίθημι
metatithēmi
Thayer Definition:
1) to transpose (two things, one of which is put in place of the other)
1a) to transfer
1b) to change
1c) to transfer one’s self or suffer one’s self to be transferred
1c1) to go or pass over
1c2) to fall away or desert from one person or thing to another


G3331 μετάθεσις metathesis (me-ta'-the-sis) n.
transposition, i.e. transferral (to heaven), disestablishment (of a law).
[from G3346]
KJV: change, removing, translation
Root(s): G3346

μετάθεσις, μεταθέσεως, ἡ (μετατίθημι);
1. a transfer: from one place to another (Diodorus 1, 23); τίνος (genitive of the object), the translation of a person to heaven, Hebrews 11:5.

2. change (of things instituted or established, as ἱερωσύνης, νόμου): Hebrews 7:12; τῶν σαλευομένων, Hebrews 12:27.




Neither mean to destroy...

 

[Pilgrimshope]

they only quote Paul and try to spam out anything else.

James 2:19-20, "You believe that YHWH is one. (Deu 6:4) You do well. The demons also believe – and shudder! But do you wish to know, O foolish man, that the belief without the works is dead?"

Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”

Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”

James 2:22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?"

it also they reject Paul when you actually read him like this

“But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:3-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is meant to make sure Christian’s don’t think “ my actions don’t count or matter to my salvation and inheritance in gods eternal kingdom now I don’t need to stop sinning …..I’m saved Jesus died so I don’t have to do anything …

pwul taught real grace that includes repentance from sin and instruction for godly living and also includes a lot of harsh warnings like that to stir us to repentance we should be afraid of we’re living in sin willfully and comfortably without repentance

 

[SpeakTruth101]

it also they reject Paul when you actually read him like this

“But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:3-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is meant to make sure Christian’s don’t think “ my actions don’t count or matter to my salvation and inheritance in gods eternal kingdom now I don’t need to stop sinning …..I’m saved Jesus died so I don’t have to do anything …

pwul taught real grace that includes repentance from sin and instruction for godly living and also includes a lot of harsh warnings like that to stir us to repentance we should be afraid of we’re living in sin willfully and comfortably without repentance

So what did Yahshua/Jesus teach?

 

[Ted01]

Im using a Strongs C.ncordance and Thayers Greek Lexion, that what they say. and if you read Greek at all you will see they have similar but different meanings.

Neither mean to destroy...

G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi (me-ta-tiy'-thee-miy) v.
1. to transfer
2. (literally) to transport.
3. (by implication) to exchange.
4. (reflexively) to change sides.
5. (figuratively) to pervert.
[from G3326 and G5087]
KJV: carry over, change, remove, translate, turn
Root(s): G3326, G5087


μετατίθημι
metatithēmi
Thayer Definition:
1) to transpose (two things, one of which is put in place of the other)
1a) to transfer
1b) to change
1c) to transfer one’s self or suffer one’s self to be transferred
1c1) to go or pass over
1c2) to fall away or desert from one person or thing to another


G3331 μετάθεσις metathesis (me-ta'-the-sis) n.
transposition, i.e. transferral (to heaven), disestablishment (of a law).
[from G3346]
KJV: change, removing, translation
Root(s): G3346

μετάθεσις, μεταθέσεως, ἡ (μετατίθημι);
1. a transfer: from one place to another (Diodorus 1, 23); τίνος (genitive of the object), the translation of a person to heaven, Hebrews 11:5.

2. change (of things instituted or established, as ἱερωσύνης, νόμου): Hebrews 7:12; τῶν σαλευομένων, Hebrews 12:27.




Neither mean to destroy...

Who said "destroy"? Only you... you seem to be confused? Or maybe you are trying to confuse?

Metatithemi
met-at-ith'-ay-mee
Verb

1. to transpose (two things, one of which is put in place of the other)
   1. to transfer
   2. to change
   3. to transfer one's self or suffer one's self to be transferred
      1. to go or pass over
      2. to fall away or desert from one person or thing to another

(biblestudytools.com)


Metathesis
met-ath'-es-is
Noun Feminine
NAS Word Usage - Total: 3

1. transfer: from one place to another
2. to change
   1. of things instituted or established

The point that the author of Hebrews seems to make, is that things are not the same... the Old is not like the New... at all.

 

[Magenta]

Mosty scholars say that that "G3346 & 3331" are synonyms... they mean virtually the same thing... and your rendition is incorrect. Regardless, both carry the idea that there is "desertion" and/or translation. And in both instances, in Hebrews, the author is clearly telling us that there has been a MASSIVE change between the Old and the New.

Yes, Jesus is the new high priest (another yodh that has passed away) but also, that He is mediating over a New Covenant and new law. In other parts of Scripture (including Hebrews), this idea is clearly articulated.

You're preaching an old heresy, that Paul, in Scripture, told us to be wary of. If you love it, fine... God doesn't.

Hebrews 7:12 ~ For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed as well.

 

[Ted01]

Hebrews 7:12 ~ For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed as well.

You got it sister!!

I was unsure which emoticon to use... Smiley face of Medal... couldn't use both! Lol.

 

[SpeakTruth101]

Who said "destroy"? Only you... you seem to be confused? Or maybe you are trying to confuse?

Metatithemi
met-at-ith'-ay-mee
Verb

1. to transpose (two things, one of which is put in place of the other)
   1. to transfer
   2. to change
   3. to transfer one's self or suffer one's self to be transferred
      1. to go or pass over
      2. to fall away or desert from one person or thing to another

(biblestudytools.com)


Metathesis
met-ath'-es-is
Noun Feminine
NAS Word Usage - Total: 3

1. transfer: from one place to another
2. to change
   1. of things instituted or established

The point that the author of Hebrews seems to make, is that things are not the same... the Old is not like the New... at all.

pass over, desert is not destroy silly.

the levitical priesthood was made obselete by decommissioning (removing it from service, not destroying it, I can stop using my old lawnmower when I get a new one, doesnt mean I have to smash it till it will not function) it and commissioning the Priesthood after the order of Melchizedek, with Yahshua as High Priest.

Words have meaning.

 

[Cameron143]

Making the law the central component of the new covenant and not Christ is simply putting new wine in old wineskins.