Sharing Christ in the workplace

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FollowingtheWay

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Looking for some guidance and godly counsel. I have this really odd situation at my workplace that’s been going on for years. I work around several individuals who will randomly take jabs at Christianity and Jesus while I’m in earshot. They habitually swear in Jesus name then will turn around and in passing conversations with others they will say things like “ Jim , saw ya last night, did ya get saved?” “Did ya find Jesus? “ I’m assuming they both attended the same church service but its about as condescending towards the other as possible. Zero visible fruit in these way either of these guys carry themselves. When I try to talk about Jesus things literally they have zero interest and put up the walls about not mixing religion and work and run away . I don’t get it. It’s like they have their own religiousness and I’m outside that evidently. Am I to assume these are indeed words spoken from the church attending but yet unbelieving and mockers? The foul things that come fourth from their mouths while claiming Jesus is just astonishing from these guys. Anyone experience anything like this? It’s at a level I don’t even know how to enter conversation without getting sucked into their ungodly conversations. Do I begin assuming they are unbelievers or do I begin by rebukes? Keep in mind, very tough skinned , blue collar workers. Not well educated and clearly not taking in what they are hearing in their church services.
 

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It’s like they have their own religiousness and I’m outside that evidently.
2 Timothy 3:1-5

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."
 

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A good tree is not able to bear bad fruit, nor a bad tree to bear good fruit (Mt. 7:18).
 

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Am I to assume these are indeed words spoken from the church attending but yet unbelieving and mockers?
Does not sound like much of an assumption from what you have observed from them...

Although it is possible they do not even attend church, and simply put on an act to take jabs at you.

I would be curious to know which (if any) church they attend.

Perhaps they would not find that question too threatening.
 

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Looking for some guidance and godly counsel. I have this really odd situation at my workplace that’s been going on for years. I work around several individuals who will randomly take jabs at Christianity and Jesus while I’m in earshot. They habitually swear in Jesus name then will turn around and in passing conversations with others they will say things like “ Jim , saw ya last night, did ya get saved?” “Did ya find Jesus? “ I’m assuming they both attended the same church service but its about as condescending towards the other as possible. Zero visible fruit in these way either of these guys carry themselves. When I try to talk about Jesus things literally they have zero interest and put up the walls about not mixing religion and work and run away . I don’t get it. It’s like they have their own religiousness and I’m outside that evidently. Am I to assume these are indeed words spoken from the church attending but yet unbelieving and mockers? The foul things that come fourth from their mouths while claiming Jesus is just astonishing from these guys. Anyone experience anything like this? It’s at a level I don’t even know how to enter conversation without getting sucked into their ungodly conversations. Do I begin assuming they are unbelievers or do I begin by rebukes? Keep in mind, very tough skinned , blue collar workers. Not well educated and clearly not taking in what they are hearing in their church services.
At my job, the issue is not one of people openly mocking Christ or Christianity. In fact, I pretty much never hear anybody say a word about such things except for maybe one or two people.

In my current situation, I am dealing with a lot of just outright nasty people, and they normally operate in cliques or groups. What I have been trying to do, and I have had a certain level of success, is to try to isolate people from their groups and befriend them, usually through a common interest, so I might gain some sort of inroad into their lives.

For example, there is one guy who, for no reason whatsoever, was the most obnoxious jerk imaginable to me for several months. I mean, it got so bad that I literally caught myself daydreaming about getting into a fistfight with him on several different occasions, and, of course, that is never the route to go. I had overheard him talking about his favorite NFL team several times, so I got him a lanyard (one of those things that you wear around your neck that you can put your keys or ID on) of his favorite team, and I gave it to him. When I did, you should have seen the look on his face. He was totally dumbfounded, and I was actually left wondering if he thought I was gay or something. Anyhow, that simple gesture really broke down a massive wall between us. Now, he says "Good morning" to me every day, and he regularly initiates conversations with me on different topics. We have not spoken about the Lord yet, but at least we are talking.

The same thing with another guy at work. He absolutely detested me for some unknown reason. In his case, I actually asked a woman in his department who I am friendly with to sort of go "undercover" to see why he hated me so much. She did ask him about it, and he told her that he could not stand me, but he admitted to her that he did not even know why. Anyhow, I knew that he was a Yankees fan (I could not care less about sports), so I engaged him in a brief conversation about the Yankees. Fast forward to now. He goes out of his way, every day, to initiate conversations with me on different topics. I am not sure exactly what the common denominator is with these types of people, but maybe it would help if you just took some sort of initiative to find some sort of commonality between you and your co-workers, and start from there.

Of course, the goal is to share Christ, but we do not necessarily have to lead the conversation with that.

I am thinking of a woman I work with as I type this. She absolutely detests Christianity, from what another worker told me, and when she found out that I was a Christian, I could immediately sense disdain for me in her. Well, I have been very kind to her, day after day, for months, and she is definitely warming up to me, and some walls are seemingly coming down.

Sometimes we just need some kindness mixed with a little patience. It has been said that we are the only Bible which some people will ever read, so let us concentrate on being living epistles of Christ or preaching through our lives. Believe me, I am not writing these things as someone who has always done things the right way, but I am learning.
 

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Let me give you one more example from my workplace.

One guy that I work with, and he is probably one of only two or three friends that I have in the whole building, has a really bad temper. I mean a REALLY BAD TEMPER. In fact, he has gotten in the face of other co-workers as if he wanted to fistfight them. Just yesterday, I semi-jokingly said to him, "Hey, I must be a pretty good guy because you have never come at me to fight me", and he chuckled.

Anyhow, about a week ago, he starts telling me how he told off a female co-worker the day before (on my day off), and I was stunned. Not because he told somebody off, but because he and that female co-worker are normally very close. When I inquired about it, he said, "...plus that was the anniversary of what happened with my mother, so I was in a bad mood already". Well, he and I are friendly enough so I could ask him personal questions (I have shared a lot of personal information about my own life situations with him in the past), and when I inquired about his mother, I could not believe what he told me. Sixteen years ago, when he and his mother were living in Brooklyn, NY, his mother's ex-boyfriend (I have no idea what happened to his father) showed up at his aunt's house, and shot her while trying to kill her. His gunshot hit her in her arm, and she ran behind a car while making her way back towards the house. When he heard the gunshot, he ran outside to protect his mother, and her boyfriend shot him twice. Once in his arm, and once in his side. When his mother heard and saw what was happening, she ran back toward her son to protect him, and her boyfriend gunned her down in cold blood and killed her right in front of her son/my co-worker. Her ex-boyfriend fled the scene, and committed suicide later that day.

If that is not horrific enough, he went on to tell me that he has to appear in court this coming Monday because one of his cousins, who he and his wife allowed to live with them for years, had been sexually molesting his daughter between the ages of 7 through 14. This coming Monday, sentencing for his cousin will take place in court.

Having heard these types of things, I can certainly understand where his anger issues are coming from.

Anyhow, my point is that we never really know what people are going through until we really get to know the people themselves. With such being the case, again, I would encourage you to try to make some sort of inroads into your co-workers lives, and then proceed from there.
 
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One I’ve seen mention “Mass” and the other I know attends a Lutheran church that his wife’s dad is the preacher at. The Lutheran guy has been at the very least hardened in heart. He told me one time that When he was in the military they gave two options, either you go to church on Sunday or do your occupation on Sunday,so he chose church. I don’t know how to reach such a person. I’m sure he’s heard every scripture preached before and is just a brutal and angry individual . the slightest inconvenience sets him off in a verbal tirade of filth.

The other I don’t know. Lots of sexual perverse things come out of his mouth daily. I listened to this extremely large man make intentional sexual climax noises for 15 minutes straight loud enough to hear across the entire building. He literally thought it was boisterously hilarious as did almost everyone who heard it in my workplace.
 

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I've always found the best place to start is prayer. Then I would see if God begins to work on their hearts.
 

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I don’t know how to reach such a person.
I gave this advice on another thread once before, and whether or not people here agree with it, it is biblical, and it does work.

Seeing how I have been speaking about trying to find some commonality between you and your co-workers, I can save you some trouble by pointing out this commonality:

Hebrews 2:14-15

"Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage."

Whether people are too proud to admit it or not, everybody fears death. There is your commonality. In my attempts at witnessing, I am almost always, if not always, looking to turn the conversation somehow to that topic. For example, and I have done this dozens of times throughout my Christian life, when somebody tells me that they hate the Winter, and I hear that every day for a few months every year, I ask them something like "Have you ever wondered why so many people hate the Winter?" Usually, before they even get a chance to answer, I will say something like, "I think that people hate the Winter because it makes them think of death, and that is not something that people like to think about." You would be amazed at how many conversations about Christ have stemmed from something as simple as that.

Your co-worker in the military was probably surrounded by death, so that might be a topic that you might try to bring up with him, and then preach its cause (sin) and its cure (Christ). Sometimes, we need to get a bit creative in our gospel presentation.
 

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Hebrews 2:14-15

"Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage."

Hebrews 2:14-16
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Your co-worker in the military was probably surrounded by death, so that might be a topic that you might try to bring up with him, and then preach its cause (sin) and its cure (Christ). Sometimes, we need to get a bit creative in our gos
Right. I’ve tried to find an entry there In the past. What happens is I really begin to feel foolish, because I can’t relate so I back away. I haven’t been there to experience those dreadful things he’s seen so to me whatever I say isn’t going to be relatable and would be foolish for me to enter there.now I’ve debated about doing something else prayerfully-I know a guy in my church who is former spec. Ops who maybe could reach this guy at his level but personalities will definitely clash ( Green beret Army trying to tell Lutheran guy who’s a Marine) what to do need I say more? Lol . The Lutheran guy did begin to open up one time about watching a video testimony from one of his friends that goes to the church I attend. He told me he didn’t realize this friend of his was struggling with depression, alcohol and suicidal thoughts and mentioned that he dosent open up to anyone but his wife. Just to make sure he’s not going crazy. So I don’t know if my place in this is direct evangelism or is it to just get a soldier who walks with God into the same room talking to a this Lutheran marine who is clearly struggling with his faith.
 

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Right. I’ve tried to find an entry there In the past. What happens is I really begin to feel foolish, because I can’t relate so I back away. I haven’t been there to experience those dreadful things he’s seen so to me whatever I say isn’t going to be relatable and would be foolish for me to enter there.now I’ve debated about doing something else prayerfully-I know a guy in my church who is former spec. Ops who maybe could reach this guy at his level but personalities will definitely clash ( Green beret Army trying to tell Lutheran guy who’s a Marine) what to do need I say more? Lol . The Lutheran guy did begin to open up one time about watching a video testimony from one of his friends that goes to the church I attend. He told me he didn’t realize this friend of his was struggling with depression, alcohol and suicidal thoughts and mentioned that he dosent open up to anyone but his wife. Just to make sure he’s not going crazy. So I don’t know if my place in this is direct evangelism or is it to just get a soldier who walks with God into the same room talking to a this Lutheran marine who is clearly struggling with his faith.
What I am suggesting really has to do with the commonality of death. I only mentioned the military part because death is something that was probably constantly before him. If not a real present danger, then certainly something on his mind due to his profession.

Having clarified that, I do not think that it is necessary to have a military person speak to him. Again, the commonality is death, and not the military.

I mentioned on some other thread about a week or two ago that I have encountered military veterans in my own witnessing experiences, and I have found, time and time again, that both guilt and death are constantly on their minds. I mean, for combat veterans especially, there must be some burden of guilt while taking someone else's life, and a lot of veterans suffer from PTSD or thoughts of suicide. Whether it is the death angle or the guilt angle, the cure is found in Christ's atonement.

We simply need to try to reach people where they are at. Do not be scared away. If you can stick around, and show that you care, then I can almost guarantee you that at least some walls will come down. You may not be the person who leads one of your co-workers to Christ, but you can help to soften their hearts so that somebody else might be used of God to reap that harvest.
 

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Whatever you do, do not take the full responsibility of anybody's salvation upon your own shoulders. Just do your part. Salvation is always a joint venture of some sort. For one thing, the Bible says that we are laborers together with God. At best, we can only plant the seed of God's word and water it, and God alone can give the increase. Meditate upon what Jesus said here:

John 4:35-37

"Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest. And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth."

You may never necessarily be the one who reaps in your witnessing, but you can always be one who sows in your witnessing, so set your mind on that. If the opportunity to reap presents itself, then go for it, but do not be discouraged if you only get to sow because there simply is no reaping without someone having previously sown.

I am reminded of what the psalmist said:

Psalm 126:5-6

"They that sow in tears shall reap in joy. He that goeth forth and weepeth, bearing precious seed, shall doubtless come again with rejoicing, bringing his sheaves with him."

May God provide you with the necessary grace, wisdom, and strength as you labor together with him to seek and to save that which is lost.
 
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What I am suggesting really has to do with the commonality of death. I only mentioned the military part because death is something that was probably constantly before him. If not a real present danger, then certainly something on his mind due to his profession.

Having clarified that, I do not think that it is necessary to have a military person speak to him. Again, the commonality is death, and not the military.

I mentioned on some other thread about a week or two ago that I have encountered military veterans in my own witnessing experiences, and I have found, time and time again, that both guilt and death are constantly on their minds. I mean, for combat veterans especially, there must be some burden of guilt while taking someone else's life, and a lot of veterans suffer from PTSD or thoughts of suicide. Whether it is the death angle or the guilt angle, the cure is found in Christ's atonement.

We simply need to try to reach people where they are at. Do not be scared away. If you can stick around, and show that you care, then I can almost guarantee you that at least some walls will come down. You may not be the person who leads one of your co-workers to Christ, but you can help to soften their hearts so that somebody else might be used of God to reap that harvest.
Ok thanks. That gives me some things to pray on there with him. How about this other one though. The sexually perverse one. So I’m not sure exactly what his religious affiliation is. He won’t open up to me about it. He confided in me that he has been spousally raped/ non-consensual in his sleep habitually and was ok with it somehow. When he brings sexual conversations up I often have to remove myself from conversations because sexual temptation is an area of my past that I still struggle with and to keep myself from being polluted I have to walk away at times. I can’t reach this guy where God is asking me to reach at. It becomes a stumbling block to me. Quite often after these odd sexual conversations satan uses them as temptations against me before I can turn it to a God conversation and I need to remove myself so I don’t fall. When I do stick it out Quite often the joke is made by an individual that socially they shouldn’t talk about such things around me or I’m going to have to “go to confession “ and then the community workplace water cooler jokes come in on Christianity and Jesus. Any thoughts?
 
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Ok thanks. That gives me some things to pray on there with him. How about this other one though. The sexually perverse one. So I’m not sure exactly what his religious affiliation is. He won’t open up to me about it. He confided in me that he has been spousally raped/ non-consensual in his sleep habitually and was ok with it somehow. When he brings sexual conversations up I often have to remove myself from conversations because sexual temptation is an area of my past that I still struggle with and to keep myself from being polluted I have to walk away at times. I can’t reach this guy where God is asking me to reach at. It becomes a stumbling block to me. Quite often after these odd sexual conversations satan uses them as temptations against me before I can turn it to a God conversation and I need to remove myself so I don’t fall. When I do stick it out Quite often the joke is made by an individual that socially they shouldn’t talk about such things around me or I’m going to have to “go to confession “ and then the community workplace water cooler jokes come in on Christianity and Jesus. Any thoughts?
I’ve thought about using the jokes to steer to God conversation but they are quicker and wittier than I am and the jokes just come back dirtier. As soon as I try the joke route the group disperses and comes back later when I’m not around or preoccupied with my job.
 

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I mean, I am either the totally wrong guy to ask or the totally right guy to ask. For me, and largely because I literally have no friends, so I spend the bulk of my time with God and his word, I immediately connect everything somehow to God's word, and then I go from there. For example, if an awkward conversation about sex comes up, then I might seek to segue that into a conversation about why God ordained marriage. In other words, as a type of Christ and his church like Paul spoke about in Ephesians chapter 5.

Look, these types of segues or attempts to turn the conversation to Christ are never easy, but if we can get past the fear of man, and focus instead on the fear of God, or what it will be like for the unregenerate on the Day of Judgment, then we can push forward and have such conversations. Anyhow, I cannot tell you exactly what to do, but I am trying to give you a general rule to follow, which is simply this:

Just look for an opportunity to turn to the conversation to Christ or to something, like death, which can then lead to a conversation about Christ. It takes a bit of practice, but it can be done. Of course, like Cameron said earlier, your first approach should always be to pray. Ask God for openings with these people, and he will present them. After all, he wants them saved even more than you do.

Finally, and do not miss this, I am not saying any of this as the master evangelist myself. I have truly witnessed to thousands of people over the years, but there have also been times when I have chickened out. We all have the same struggle that you are presently facing. If we can all get some victories, then souls can be saved.
 
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I mean, I am either the totally wrong guy to ask or the totally right guy to ask. For me, and largely because I literally have no friends, so I spend the bulk of my time with God and his word, I immediately connect everything somehow to God's word, and then I go from there. For example, if an awkward conversation about sex comes up, then I might seek to segue that into a conversation about why God ordained marriage. In other words, as a type of Christ and his church like Paul spoke about in Ephesians chapter 5.

Look, these types of segues or attempts to turn the conversation to Christ are never easy, but if we can get past the fear of man, and focus instead on the fear of God, or what it will be like for the unregenerate on the Day of Judgment, then we can push forward and have such conversations. Anyhow, I cannot tell you exactly what to do, but I am trying to give you a general rule to follow, which is simply this:

Just look for an opportunity to turn to the conversation to Christ or to something, like death, which can then lead to a conversation about Christ. It takes a bit of practice, but it can be done. Of course, like Cameron said earlier, your first approach should always be to pray. Ask God for openings with these people, and he will present them. After all, he wants them saved even more than you do.

Finally, and do not miss this, I am not saying any of this as the master evangelist myself. I have truly witnessed to thousands of people over the years, but there have also been times when I have chickened out. We all have the same struggle that you are presently facing. If we can all get some victories, then souls can be saved.
I understand, and I appreciate all your helpful advice. It’s more helpful than you know
 

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I understand, and I appreciate all your helpful advice. It’s more helpful than you know
We are all in this together, brother, and it greatly encourages me to know that there are other Christians out there who are concerned about the souls of others, and not just caught up in the affairs of this life.

God bless you.