Can we use microwave on Sabbath day??

[mailmandan]

Whenever people today set out to keep the sabbath day, are they truly "keeping the sabbath?" To "keep the sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the old covenant of law involved compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If sabbath day observances are still required today, then so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So, no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath. (Exodus 35:3) Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath. (Exodus 16:29) No trading. (Amos 8:5) No marketing. (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19)

*These regulations were commanded by God to Israel. (Exodus 35:1-3)

If keeping the sabbath day is still in effect today, then why don't sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD has commanded? How can someone keep a certain law when he only keeps part of it? If the sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Now who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church or perhaps the government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the old covenant of law, no sabbatarian today can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.

 

[BroTan]

Where is this clear warning you said Peter gave against Paul???

Please see Galatians 2:11-21 for Paul's correction of Peter, and Peter's capitulation.

That was a different situation and yes that was wrong what Peter did, but again that was different situation then Acts 15Ch. Also the works of the law is referring to the animal Sacrificial law. Let's understand when the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Of course this doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation (Hebrews 10:26-27) 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

 

[TMS]

Whenever people today set out to keep the sabbath day, are they truly "keeping the sabbath?" To "keep the sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the old covenant of law involved compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If sabbath day observances are still required today, then so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So, no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath. (Exodus 35:3) Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath. (Exodus 16:29) No trading. (Amos 8:5) No marketing. (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19)

*These regulations were commanded by God to Israel. (Exodus 35:1-3)

If keeping the sabbath day is still in effect today, then why don't sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD has commanded? How can someone keep a certain law when he only keeps part of it? If the sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Now who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church or perhaps the government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the old covenant of law, no sabbatarian today can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.

The weekly Sabbath has not changed.
It was a gift and when you make it a burden it losses what God intended it to be.

The law is not to be made a strict set of "do not do". The other commandments had lots of rules connected to them in the theocratic state, so do we throw them out too. The law is spiritual.
We do not need to live under the most rules that the Israel state set up.
We are to live under the rules that God wants set up in our hearts and minds. There is nothing in the bible that says the 10 commandments are not to be kept. True, not kept to be saved but kept because we love Jesus and because we are children of God.
Jesus kept the Sabbath holy and we Can aim to live like Jesus.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
For the same reason I choose to not take God's name in vain, I choose to remember the sabbath and keep it holy.

Can you not murder, not commit adultery, not covid, not bow down to graven images? With God's help yes
We can keep the sabbath holy too.

 

[mailmandan]

The weekly Sabbath has not changed.
It was a gift and when you make it a burden it losses what God intended it to be.

The law is not to be made a strict set of "do not do". The other commandments had lots of rules connected to them in the theocratic state, so do we throw them out too. The law is spiritual.
We do not need to live under the most rules that the Israel state set up.
We are to live under the rules that God wants set up in our hearts and minds. There is nothing in the bible that says the 10 commandments are not to be kept. True, not kept to be saved but kept because we love Jesus and because we are children of God.
Jesus kept the Sabbath holy and we Can aim to live like Jesus.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
For the same reason I choose to not take God's name in vain, I choose to remember the sabbath and keep it holy.

Can you not murder, not commit adultery, not covid, not bow down to graven images? With God's help yes
We can keep the sabbath holy too.

I'm not buying your eisegesis. Why don't you show us in the New Testament where the body of Christ is specifically commanded to keep the sabbath day.

 

[TMS]

I'm not buying your eisegesis. Why don't you show us in the New Testament where the body of Christ is specifically commanded to keep the sabbath day.

Do you accept that it was made holy at creation, and God has never made it unholy or commanded us to stop remembering it.

Mat 5: 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Mat 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath...... 44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Heb 4: 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 7: 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Jas 2: 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[JohnB]

No eating, no drinking, no going to the bathroom, not even farting. You have to hold it all in.

 

[iamsoandso]

No eating, no drinking, no going to the bathroom, not even farting. You have to hold it all in.

Hey actually it's easy to do I've seen it first hand in Texas what you gotta do is start buying land. If you notice at one point(1957) it was 941 acres in size in Waco. I know, I know David Koresh stuff but just overlook the stuff about him because we already know all that right and there were a lot of others even before him?

Now just focus on the tiny details in the history of this and look at the things you need to truthfully honor the Sabbath. Okay so first a bunch of land and then you can build living quarters for all the members. X amount of it needs to be allocated to farming and then(look in the article) for the other things like generators, water ect.... So if you have a generator you'll need fuel to run it(off on Sabbath on on the other six days) and so 500 gallons that's what they had? That wont generate enough power to run AC's for everyone though so only the head Prophet will have a window unit in his apartment.

Now as for water you could have a pool that doubles as a baptistery that's outside and if it's hot the community can use it as a big Jacuzzi. If you have a water well you can run water to the kitchen in a community type kitchen but that's all probably. You'll need to Arrange the bathroom situation and so the women can keep a bucket in their rooms and the boys can use the outhouses outside. Anyway though the Shepard's Rod/Branch Dividians have got to be the best attempt at trying to do this I've seen(they were actually trying to do it right?). https://www.housebeautiful.com/life...nch-davidians-mount-carmel-center-waco-today/

 

[mailmandan]

Do you accept that it was made holy at creation, and God has never made it unholy or commanded us to stop remembering it.

I never said anything about God making the 7th day unholy. Now although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the sabbath being kept before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. *Nowhere in scripture is there any hint that sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses. The word "sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Very good article below on Matthew 5:17.

What does it mean that Jesus fulfilled the law, but did not abolish it? | GotQuestions.org

Mat 12:8

For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

In context, Jesus is rebuking the Pharisees for their false accusation against the disciples (who were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat) accusing them of breaking the law regarding resting on the sabbath. Jesus responded by giving an example from the Old Testament that David was once in need of food and was given consecrated bread that was only lawful for the priests to eat. (1 Samuel 21:1-61) The bread had served a practical need for David and his followers, just as it did with Jesus and His disciples. The disciples had not broken God’s law; they had only violated the Pharisees’ legalistic, interpretation of the law. Jesus reminded the Pharisees of the original intent of the sabbath by saying that the Son of Man is Lord even of the sabbath.

Mat 12:12

How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

Still under the old covenant of law here. Of course Jesus upheld the Sabbath. Jesus kept the Sabbath since He was a Jew and lived under the law. Galatians 4:4-5 says that Jesus lived under the law to redeem us from the law. But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

Mat 24:20

But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

How about a little context. Matthew 24:16 - “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the sabbath. Praying that "your flight not be on the sabbath or winter" in verse 20 has to do with "let those in Judea flee" in verse 16. Matthew 24:20 applies to those living in Judea. Travel for pregnant and nursing women would be very difficult. Winter cold would make travel extremely difficult along with closed city gates, laws against carrying loads, laws against traveling more than a short distance, laws against buying and selling on the Sabbath. (Exodus 16:29; Jeremiah 17:21-22; Nehemiah 13:15-19) The only reasonable explanation of Jesus' reference to the sabbath here is that He was concerned with the difficulties these Israelites would face if they were forced to leave Judea on the sabbath day.

Act 13:42

And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath...... 44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

In regard to Acts 13:42-44, Paul's work here was evangelism. Notice that these were "unbelievers" in Christ before Paul preached to them. Yes they believed in the Jewish system, but the Bible says in Acts 14:1, that they BECAME believers proving Paul's work there was evangelism and not sabbath worship.

The Greeks were Jewish converts to Judaism known as proselytes. They practiced the law of Moses and kept the sabbath. The only Greeks that were in the synagogue would be these proselytes. These Greeks were certainly not Christians. Acts 13:43 "Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God." 44 On the next sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. 45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul. 46 Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, "It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles.

Acts 14:1 - "In Iconium they entered the synagogue of the Jews together and spoke in such a manner that a large number of people believed, both of Jews and of Greeks."

Acts 17:4 - "And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, along with a large number of the God-fearing Greeks and a number of the leading women.

Acts 18:4 - "And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks."

*Again, Paul's work here was evangelism and not sabbath worship.

Heb 4:

8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used no where else in the Bible! Amazing that sabbatarians would suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else in the Bible!

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:

Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.

SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)

http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=35458

Hebrews 4:10 says the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. That person has entered in God’s rest through Jesus "rests from his own work" (in contrast with law keeping) as God ceased or rested from His works in the seventh day of Creation. God's ultimate, true rest did not come through Joshua or Moses, but through Jesus Christ. Joshua led Israel into the promised land, which was merely the earthly rest which was but a shadow of what was involved in the heavenly rest. Although for centuries the Israelites had found their physical rest in a day, the new covenant takes the focus off the shadow and reveals the spiritual substance -- the fulfillment/reality—in the person of Jesus Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17)

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[mailmandan]

TMS said:

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

We establish or uphold the law (Romans 3:31) by putting our faith in the One who fulfilled all the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf and who offers us His perfect righteousness as a free gift. (Romans 4:5-6) Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4)

Rom 7:

12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Prior to salvation, we have only one nature, the sin nature. But once we come to Christ, we are new creations in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17), but we still have the old flesh with a sinful nature within it. These two natures war constantly with one another. Paul mentions nothing here about sabbath keeping and in Galatians 3:24, we read - Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Jas 2:

10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

James sums it up here in verses 8-9. If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right. But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. Nothing mentioned here about the sabbath.

Rev 12:17

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

It doesn't say the 10 commandments here under the old covenant of law.

Rev 14:12

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Again, it doesn't say the 10 commandments here under the old covenant of law. You quote all the same verses that SDA's and other modern day Judaizers quote in their efforts to make keeping the sabbath day binding on Christians under the new covenant. SDA's even teach the ludicrous doctrine that near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.

What are the "Commandments of God"? The whole teaching of Adventists regarding the Mark of the Beast centers on Revelation 14:12 which says that those who have the "commandments of God" do not receive the mark. Adventists claim that this passage is referring to the Ten Commandments, and Sunday-keepers cannot be keeping the Ten Commandments because the Fourth Commandment instructs worship on Saturday.

The best way to interpret the meaning of John's writings is to compare them with the other writings of John. The Greek word for "commandments" in Rev. 14:12 is entole which means "an order, command, charge, precept, injunction." The same word is used repeatedly in the writings of John to refer to the instructions of Christ. John uses an entirely different Greek word in his writings when he refers to the Ten Commandments: nomas. For example:

Did not Moses give you the law {nomos}, and [yet] none of you keepeth the law {nomos}? Why go ye about to kill me? (John 7:19; Jesus is referring to the 6th commandment "Thou shalt not kill"--Ex. 20:13)​

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According to John, the number one commandment {entolae} of Jesus to the Apostles was not Sabbath-worship, but for them to love one another:

A new commandment {entolae} I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. (John 13:34) This is my commandment {entolae}, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. (John 15:12)​

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Notice how John refers to the "commandments" of God in his letter:

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments {entolas}. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments {entolas}; and His commandments {entolae} are not burdensome. (1 John 5:2-3)​

Earlier in the same letter John tells us exactly what the "commandments" of God are:

Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, [then] have we confidence toward God. And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His [God's] commandments {entolas} and do the things that are pleasing in His sight. This is His [God's] commandment {entolae}, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He [God] commanded {entolaen} us. The one who keeps His [God's] commandments {entolas} abides in Him,... (1 John 3:21-24)​

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From this we can see that in John's writings the "commandments" of God are:

1. To believe in Jesus Christ
2. To love one another

Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast (nonsda.org)

Rev 22:14

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Once again, it doesn't say the 10 commandments here under the old covenant of law. In regard to Revelation 22:14, multiple translations read, "Blessed are those who wash their robes"

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Revelation 22:14

which symbolizes those who have been forgiven of their sins through the blood of the Lamb (Romans 3:24-26). Also see Revelation 7:14. Revelation 22:15 which is descriptive of unbelievers.

In conclusion, none of these verses that you cited show us in the New Testament where the body of Christ is specifically commanded to keep the sabbath day. Your eisegesis comes up short.

 

[JohnDB]

Modern Sabbath keeping is a type of virtue signaling....bovine excrement of how "holy" you are....as if.

However....
A lot of this is going to be a moot point when every house, apartment, and dwelling is fitted out with a supercomputer. Even your car and cell phone will have one.

Because there's a whole new game in town with the invention of a superconductors that works past the boiling point of water. Meaning that every science fiction toy imaginable is now a reality. From lasers and energy weapons to hoverboards and self driving cars that really work. Electric cars are actually going to be viable. 3 hp motors are going to be the size of a 1 hp motor and have all the same power. Meaning that your cell phone and house can have their own AI.

Let's put it this way....
Old software is cheap....a copy of old windows 3.1? How much? Like $5 maybe. An AI is just a program connected to a database. Anybody can download an app.
Just saying....

 

[JohnB]

We are no longer under the law. Why would anyone want to be under it? Some people want others under the law to have control.

 

[Grace911]

We are no longer under the law. Why would anyone want to be under it? Some people want others under the law to have control.

Some people do not know the law that we are no longer under. They call all of Torah 'LAW". Actually Torah means "instructions within laws". And that law is of Divorce and Remarriage to the LORD/YHWH/Yeshua/Jesus according to Paul we read in:
Romans 7:1-4 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law, {See below Deut. 24:1-4]) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Which law was Paul speaking of? Again, I share the Laws of Divorce and Remarriage from:
Deuteronomy 24:1-4 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. 2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.
3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;
4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

The LORD/YHWH divorced the House of Israel/ten tribes but He did not divorce the House of Judah.

House of Israel was taken into captivity and then from there scattered throughout all the whole world, mingling with all races and nations. The descendants of the house of Israel are scattered out in the whole earth and need to come to their senses just like the prodigal son did. The Father is waiting for your return, but the "midnight hour" is fast approaching.

Jeremiah knew the law of divorce and remarriage and Jeremiah also understood the LORD to say "return again to me". But how? The LORD cannot break His own Law!! He says we cannot add or diminish and we cannot change the law. To add, diminish, or change in any way is iniquity and/or unrighteousness. The law is perfect and you cannot add, diminish or change that which is already perfect. The Lord said He does not change and by the way, you sons of Jacob are not consumed by the Lord's firey wrath.

Mal_3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Jeremiah 3:1 They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Isaiah 50:1 Thus saith the LORD, Where is the bill of your mother's divorcement, whom I have put away? or which of my creditors is it to whom I have sold you? Behold, for your iniquities have ye sold yourselves, and for your transgressions is your mother put away.

Jeremiah 3:6 The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot.
7 And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.
8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
9 And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks.
10 And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the LORD.

The Book of Hosea is the allegory of the LORD marrying a whore and how His great love for her is so awesome.

Can you feel that GREAT LOVE that Yeshua/Jesus poured out HIS PASSION for us, whores/adulteress/idolatress people so that we can now REMARRY THE LORD/YHWH. This is the NEW COVENANT which is the renewing of the first marriage covenant on Pentecost/Shavuot at the foot of Mount Sinai that occurred May 25, 1379 BC. In Acts we read about the Holy Spirit coming on Pentecost/Shavuot. And on a future Pentecost/Shavuot the Wheat Harvest will take place (aka rapture).

Who are the tares? Those who have mixed themselves in with the wheat. Deuteronomy 22:9 You shall not sow your vineyard with different kinds of seeds, lest the fruit of your seed which you have sown and the fruit of your vineyard be defiled.
Do you know that a woman is not suppose to receive seed from more than one man? That is why we cannot mix seed because that then makes us whores. If we mix Babylonian mystery religion into our faith in Christ, we have not yet "Come out of her, my people". Yes, Christ Jesus is GRACE. God's Riches at Christ's Expense. To give us, the whole world, the ability to RETURN AND REPENT and walk not after our flesh, this is GRACE. After the House of Israel was divorced, and clung to their idols and witchcraft and sorcery and fornications and all of these adulteress and whorish acts, The LORD still wants us back and He came in the flesh as Immanuel, God with us, so that He could teach to the fullest, die, buried for 3 days and 3 nights and then risen to live again and now we can remarry God, because He died and then LIVES.

Ask yourself, why did Jesus say only go rather to the lost sheep of the house of israel and also He said, I have not come only for the lost sheep of the House of Israel?

Exodus 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

The next time we will get to say "We will do all that the LORD hath spoken" will be at the end of the 7th millenium. After Satan has been released for a short time. We who come through the 7th millennium will have had nearly 1000 years to learn the LORD's way as taught by Jesus and King David.

Remember the end of the New Covenant for House of Israel and House of Judah says

Jeremiah 31:33 but this shall be the covenant that I will cut with the house of Israel: After those days, says Jehovah, I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Jeremiah 31:34 And they shall no more teach each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah; for they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says Jehovah. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sins no more.

REPENT AND RETURN. This is a daily journey, but the path becomes brighter as you go.

 

[charlesreily]

The question of using a microwave on the Sabbath is an interesting one, as it falls under the broader discussions about what's considered permissible on this day of rest. It's true that different religious traditions and interpretations vary, so it's important to consider your specific beliefs and practices.
When it comes to warming up food in a microwave on the Sabbath, it might be viewed differently by different communities. Some individuals and families may avoid using microwaves during this time to honor the traditional prohibitions against cooking or generating heat on the Sabbath. Others might find that using a microwave for reheating aligns with their understanding of the rules.
In terms of what people eat on the Sabbath, it really depends on cultural, religious, and personal preferences. Many prepare meals in advance that don't require cooking on the Sabbath day itself. This could include cold salads, sandwiches, fruits, and other items that can be enjoyed without needing to use appliances like microwaves or stovetops.
Regarding the beef gravy recipe, it's worth noting that gravy often involves some level of cooking, as it's typically made by thickening and simmering a meat-based liquid. Given the possible restrictions around cooking on the Sabbath, you might want to consider preparing the gravy in advance or exploring alternatives that align better with your observance.

 

[vineandfigtree]

If you search online a lot of people say it is prohibited, however I also read it okay to warm up foods in the microwave.... I'm curious if we can use the microwave or not... What do you guys do and eat on the sabbath??? Any input?🤔

Despite the comments from some people here seasoned with sarcasm or commandment cancelling/transformation, I would like to respond to you as a believer who celebrates the Biblical seventh day Sabbath/Shabbat.

Ultimately, it will come down to conviction in the matter. In Jewish communities there are varying community standards. "Ask your local rabbi" seems to be the go-to response if unsure. My advice is don't go to the rabbis. Examine the Scriptures that teach on the Sabbath commandments, then go to Jesus and His teachings for how you base your observance. And whatever you do don't be disuaded by any well meaning believers that you should disregard the commandment. Blessings!

 

[hornetguy]

I didn't realize we had this many Jewish people on this forum.... surprising.

 

[tourist]

I didn't realize we had this many Jewish people on this forum.... surprising.

Shalom. jk

 

[hornetguy]

Shalom. jk

oy vey....

 

[vineandfigtree]

I didn't realize we had this many Jewish people on this forum.... surprising.

I, for one, am a Gentile.

 

[hornetguy]

and our Savior was a Jewish man, following Jewish law.... are you Jewish?

What you do with your family is your business, but I think that if you are going to follow Jesus, as "discipleship", there are many, many more things you should do that mean WAY more than observing a Jewish holy day.
Give sacrificially, feed hungry people, clothe people that need protection from weather.. show love and compassion to everyone that is a societal outcast.. many more meaningful ways to be a disciple, that will have a much larger impact on the world than giving up a few of your creature comforts for a day as an outward show of piety.... IMO, of course.

If, on the sabbath, you took your family to a homeless shelter, or to a downtown area where homeless people live, and got out amongst them and brought them a hot meal, and warm clothing in cold weather, which do you think would be more effective as a disciple? Find a homeless family and buy all the kids school clothes and supplies...

 

[JohnB]

and our Savior was a Jewish man, following Jewish law.... are you Jewish?

What you do with your family is your business, but I think that if you are going to follow Jesus, as "discipleship", there are many, many more things you should do that mean WAY more than observing a Jewish holy day.
Give sacrificially, feed hungry people, clothe people that need protection from weather.. show love and compassion to everyone that is a societal outcast.. many more meaningful ways to be a disciple, that will have a much larger impact on the world than giving up a few of your creature comforts for a day as an outward show of piety.... IMO, of course.

If, on the sabbath, you took your family to a homeless shelter, or to a downtown area where homeless people live, and got out amongst them and brought them a hot meal, and warm clothing in cold weather, which do you think would be more effective as a disciple? Find a homeless family and buy all the kids school clothes and supplies...

I think some people enjoy being under the law.