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Melach

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Well, nothing yet. What I’ve “heard” is that Russia will attempt an attack on us. But our God will not allow it. He will fight these end-time battles for us.
american delusions on display. america really is one of the most wicked nations on this earth. trust me, God will not be fighting for the united states.

you name the wickedness, it comes from usa. they have polluted the entire globe with the trannymania, hellish music industry, p0rn, hollywood movies, garbage theology and junk food. it is everywhere. every single country has been polluted by it. destroyed the youth world over.

but im sure God will fight these end time battles for ya.
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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american delusions on display. america really is one of the most wicked nations on this earth. trust me, God will not be fighting for the united states.
Now you did it.

Cue the delusional zealots...

I am not specifically referring to selahsays (she seems nice) whose post you were responding to, but I am referring to several others on this forum whose names I will not mention. Actually, there is no need for me to mention their names because you will know them by their fruits.

Oh, and you are correct. America is one of the most wicked nations on this earth. Only the severely brainwashed cannot see it.
 

Melach

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Now you did it.

Cue the delusional zealots...

I am not specifically referring to selahsays (she seems nice) whose post you were responding to, but I am referring to several others on this forum whose names I will not mention. Actually, there is no need for me to mention their names because you will know them by their fruits.

Oh, and you are correct. America is one of the most wicked nations on this earth. Only the severely brainwashed cannot see it.
i will still add: obviously not all americans are wicked. plenty of godly americans and great christian people there. like in every country.
 

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After visiting many countries in Europe, Savic, and South America....

The US is not the most wicked. It is full of self righteous bigots. But not anymore so than other nations where petty crime is considered gainful employment. Where a facial tattoo is the license issued by the local gangs to pick through the trash for something of value.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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So, in other words it means nothing.
Prophesy means nothing?! What an odd comment! I don't know the time of His returning. He said there would be signs. Israel becoming a nation is the beginning. I would say His second coming is as important as His first and definitely means something.
 

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I have been reading down through this thread and see many believe that the prophecies God gave to Israel are still waiting fulfillment, therefore your attention is focused on such prophecies as Ez. 38, and 39. Please consider the following:

Plan B Means God Does Not Give Up
Under the “new” covenant, there is a “new” Israel. A “new” sequence of prophetic events will culminate with a second advent. The prophecies in Daniel and Revelation concern “Plan B.” Mixing and/or merging different types of prophecies produces insurmountable confusion. Prophecies belonging to Plan A [prophecy pertaining to Israel] will not mix with Plan B prophecies. Plan B is a bigger and better plan. Plan B contains a brighter set of promises and prophecies and unlike Plan A, Plan B is unconditional! This time around, God will not wait for a group of people to get their act together and He will not depend on a particular religious body of people to accomplish the gospel commission. At the appointed time, He will complete His work by hand picking 144,000 people from all over the world. These trustees of God, having Abraham’s faith and love for Him, will accomplish all that God wants done in a mere 1,260 days!

God has done a very clever thing by creating Plan B using parallels from Plan A. Remember that Plan A and Plan B cannot be mixed or merged. However, to appreciate Plan B, it is very helpful to understand some of the building blocks in Plan A. In this sense, the prophecies and promises in the Old Testament remain indispensable. By studying the Old Testament carefully, we can understand God’s plans better because there are many parallels between Plan A and Plan B.

Many people have asked if I think the Jews will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem because the Old Testament indicates the temple would be rebuilt. The Old Testament does indicate the temple would be rebuilt, but the Old Testament is not referring to a third temple. Nebuchadnezzar destroyed the first temple (Solomon’s temple) in 586 B.C. and four decrees were issued to rebuild it. The Romans completely destroyed the second temple in A.D. 70. There is no prophecy in the Bible indicating that a third temple will be built. The reason for this silence is because God abandoned the nation of Israel at the end of the seventy weeks. He destroyed Jerusalem and the temple because He had installed a new covenant and created a new Israel. God has no need for a third temple. Jesus told the Jews, “Look, your house [your temple] is left to you desolate. For I tell you, you will not see me again [I will not live among you] until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’ ” These two sentences are easy to understand. Jesus declared the temple of Israel, which was designed to be His dwelling place, would be left empty. Jesus declared this benediction on the temple because Israel had rejected Him, and as a result, He then rejected Israel. Second, Jesus made it perfectly clear in this text that He would never dwell in Israel again. Israel will not see Jesus again until the Second Coming, and then the Jews will be forced to say, “Blessed is he [Jesus] who comes in the name of the Lord.”

Historically speaking, the Roman army destroyed the second temple in A.D. 70. Later, a Moslem mosque (the Dome of the Rock) was built on the temple mount in A.D. 684. The presence of this mosque keeps the temple mount from Jewish control. God gave the site to the Moslems so that a third Jewish temple could not be built. Many Christians who do not understand Plan B are frustrated that a mosque now sits on the temple mount, but they should not be frustrated. There will not be a third temple. The temple that we should be focusing on and studying about is in Heaven! That is where Jesus lives and intercedes for us. Soon, Jesus will call for the seven trumpets of Revelation to begin! When that day arrives, the present confusion over rebuilding a third temple in Jerusalem will vanish.

Plan B Sealed Up
Now that we have discussed Plan A and Plan B at some length, please consider two statements:
God foreknew that Plan B would be necessary from the beginning and He began preparing for Plan B during the Babylonian captivity. The book of Daniel contains visions that pertain to Plan B.
  1. God loved Israel as much as any father could love a child. He desperately wanted His trustees to do the work that
    He had chosen them to do. During the Babylonian captivity, God spoke to Ezekiel and Jeremiah. Through them, He gave Israel many encouraging prophecies and promises that would come to pass if Israel would cooperate with Him during the seventy weeks (Plan A). At the same time, God spoke to Daniel. Even though God revealed Plan B to Daniel, the information He gave to Daniel was sealed until the end of the world. If Israel had been faithful and Plan A was realized, the book of Daniel would not have been needed.
The Final Generation
The prophecies of Daniel and Revelation tell a story that covers many centuries. It gradually builds in intensity until it reaches the time of the final generation. This story contrasts the powers of sin and rebellion with the power of Jesus, revealing all who He really is. God hid this story from previous generations by hiding four rules in the book of Daniel. This process helped to keep prophetic matters a secret until the time arrives for fulfillment. God does this for two reasons. First, when the time for fulfillment comes, those who love truth move forward. They are spiritually renewed when they see God’s Word fulfilled with their own eyes, and in the process, those moving forward are separated from those who prefer darkness and tradition. This response to truth explains why some people were overjoyed when Jesus was born and others were deeply offended by His ministry. Second, as knowledge increases, man’s knowledge of God increases. God reveals new information about Himself in an orderly way so that His children can spiritually mature. Jesus told His disciples, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them [unbelievers].”

If being a part of the kingdom of Heaven is important to you, then the secrets of the kingdom of Heaven will be very important to you. On the other hand, when people are spiritually dead, secrets about the kingdom of Heaven are not important. From the beginning, God predetermined the number of days allotted to Earth’s existence. I believe the appointed time of the end has come because the book of Daniel has been unsealed. The architecture that has been hidden for twenty-six centuries has been discovered and the intended meaning of Daniel and Revelation is now available!

[This is appendix D, taken from the book, Jesus Final Victory, authored by Larry Wilson. Should you be interested in considering a new interpretation of the prophecies of Dan., and Rev., based on the architecture/hermeneutics hidden for the final generation that would witness their fulfillment, the book is available through Amazon.]
tell me more friend. what do you think is going to happen next? you mentioned the trumpets. do you believee some of the seals have already been opened?
 
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Ok, well that is definitely a different POV but I still believe that when Israel became a nation again, that's when God's time clock began to countdown.
I'm always interested in what Biblical facts if any, leads individuals to believe in what they believe. In order to better understand their foundations, I ask questions. I have two:

1) Is what you believe, taught by your faith community? My reason for asking is most Christians have more faith in their religion, than they have in Biblical truth, of which they are unaware.

2) What Biblical support, indicates that God's time clock began, when Israel became a nation?
 

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2) What Biblical support, indicates that God's time clock began, when Israel became a nation?
according to my calculations, if the aod set up is islam (dragon that persecutes the woman in the wilderness), its mosque was set up on the temple mount around 689 ad, give or take a year or two. Add from that date 1260 prophetic years she is kept in the wilderness, you arrive at 1949 and 30 years later (1290 prophetic years) the ayatollah Khomeini returns from 15 years in exile to Iran in 1979 and two days later sets up the Council of the Islamic Revolution.
And adding 1335 days (from 689) brings us to 2024.
 
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tell me more friend. what do you think is going to happen next? you mentioned the trumpets. do you believee some of the seals have already been opened?
Yes, I believe three seals have opened in the past. Please consider the following insights which are not mine, but of which I believe are worthy of your consideration:

The seven seals represent a seven step process that will, at the end of the 1,000 years, reveal everything about the love and full identity of Jesus Christ. The Father has ordained that everyone in the universe should know that Jesus Christ is Almighty God, just like Himself. Jesus is made of the same eternal substance as the Father and He has the same powers and prerogatives as the Father. Jesus is a separate, distinct, co-eternal member of the Godhead. Yet, Jesus was willing to lay aside His powers and prerogatives and surrender Himself to the will of the Father in order to save mankind. The humility of Jesus is also seen in the Father. After Jesus received the book sealed with seven seals, the Father took “a back seat.” The Father gave Jesus sovereign authority so that the drama of sin and the exoneration of God’s government of love could be brought to a successful conclusion. Jesus still continues to carry this enormous responsibility today.

The seven seals can be compared to seven political campaigns in the sense that the purpose of a political campaign is the exposure of a candidate with his or her ideas on “the way government should run.” The purpose of the seven seals is a seven- step exposure of Jesus as the savior of sinners, Almighty God, Prince of Peace, King of kings, and Lord of lords.

After the power of the papacy was wounded in 1798, the Holy Spirit put a compelling desire within Protestants to broadcast salvation through faith in Christ around the world. When it comes to revealing all that Jesus Christ is, the doctrine of salvation through faith in Christ (justification and sanctification) is the first and greatest teaching of Christ. The bow carried in the rider’s hand is not a weapon of war as artists commonly portray it. The Greek word toxon indicates the bow is made of fabric which indicates the bow carried in the rider’s hand is a winner’s ribbon. This bow indicates the victory that is given to everyone who abides in Christ. In fact, victory over the carnal nature is only possible through the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit. A believer can overcome the power of sin through the power that Jesus will send him through the HolySpirit! The gospel of Jesus always produces division and con ict when it is proclaimed with clarity and power. Lucifer and his demons will be sure of that!

The opening of the first seal initiated a sevenfold process revealing who Jesus really is. The first living creature (the one having a face like a lion) went throughout the Earth searching for souls. The Holy Spirit caused a great awakening in the United States and Europe and many people rejoiced to learn that salvation comes through faith in Christ alone. After breaking the first seal, the work of the Holy Spirit took off and the gospel of Jesus began to grow. This work will continue until the seventh trumpet occurs.
 
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Yes, I believe three seals have opened in the past. Please consider the following insights which are not mine, but of which I believe are worthy of your consideration:

The seven seals represent a seven step process that will, at the end of the 1,000 years, reveal everything about the love and full identity of Jesus Christ. The Father has ordained that everyone in the universe should know that Jesus Christ is Almighty God, just like Himself. Jesus is made of the same eternal substance as the Father and He has the same powers and prerogatives as the Father. Jesus is a separate, distinct, co-eternal member of the Godhead. Yet, Jesus was willing to lay aside His powers and prerogatives and surrender Himself to the will of the Father in order to save mankind. The humility of Jesus is also seen in the Father. After Jesus received the book sealed with seven seals, the Father took “a back seat.” The Father gave Jesus sovereign authority so that the drama of sin and the exoneration of God’s government of love could be brought to a successful conclusion. Jesus still continues to carry this enormous responsibility today.

The seven seals can be compared to seven political campaigns in the sense that the purpose of a political campaign is the exposure of a candidate with his or her ideas on “the way government should run.” The purpose of the seven seals is a seven- step exposure of Jesus as the savior of sinners, Almighty God, Prince of Peace, King of kings, and Lord of lords.

After the power of the papacy was wounded in 1798, the Holy Spirit put a compelling desire within Protestants to broadcast salvation through faith in Christ around the world. When it comes to revealing all that Jesus Christ is, the doctrine of salvation through faith in Christ (justification and sanctification) is the first and greatest teaching of Christ. The bow carried in the rider’s hand is not a weapon of war as artists commonly portray it. The Greek word toxon indicates the bow is made of fabric which indicates the bow carried in the rider’s hand is a winner’s ribbon. This bow indicates the victory that is given to everyone who abides in Christ. In fact, victory over the carnal nature is only possible through the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit. A believer can overcome the power of sin through the power that Jesus will send him through the HolySpirit! The gospel of Jesus always produces division and con ict when it is proclaimed with clarity and power. Lucifer and his demons will be sure of that!

The opening of the first seal initiated a sevenfold process revealing who Jesus really is. The first living creature (the one having a face like a lion) went throughout the Earth searching for souls. The Holy Spirit caused a great awakening in the United States and Europe and many people rejoiced to learn that salvation comes through faith in Christ alone. After breaking the first seal, the work of the Holy Spirit took off and the gospel of Jesus began to grow. This work will continue until the seventh trumpet occurs.
Seal Two – The Teachings of Jesus
{3} The Lamb spoke to the second living creature, the one who had the face like an ox. (Oxen are known for their great strength.) The Holy Spirit spoke in a loud voice, “Come and see the assignment the Lamb has given me!”
{4} With this, the Holy Spirit transformed Himself into a rider on a red horse. He left Heaven’s throne room on a mission to empower and expand the spiritual revival that had just begun on Earth. The Holy Spirit carried with Him a great sword which represents the Word of God.48 This campaign centered on the translation, printing and distribution of God’s great sword, the Bible.

In the early 1800s, the Holy Spirit began prompting Protestants to establish Bible societies in Europe and the United States. The result has been impressive: The British and Foreign Bible Society (1804), the Basel Bible Society (1804), the Berlin (later Prussian) Bible Society (1805), the Pennsylvania Bible Society (1808), the Connecticut Bible Society (1809), the Massachusetts Bible Society (1809), the International Bible Society (1809), the Bible Society of India (1811), the Russian Bible Society (1812), the Swedish Bible Society (1814), the Netherlands Bible Society (1814), the Icelandic Bible Society (1815), the Norwegian Bible Society (1816), the American Bible Society (1816), the Bible Society in Australia (1817), and the Protestant Biblical Society of Paris (1818). When viewed as a whole, the task has been labori-ous and expensive and many people have given sacri cially tothis cause. The Bible (or portions of it) now exists in more than 2,572 languages and dialects. Since 1908, Gideons Internation- al has distributed about 1.7 billion Bibles. Since 1942, Wycliff Bible translators have helped to complete more than 700 translations. This enormous project, spanning the globe, could not have been possible if it were not through the persistent ministry of the Holy Spirit. No book has outsold the Bible and no other book comes close in terms of exposure and distribution.

The relationship between the first two seals is important to notice. First, the Holy Spirit searched for people who were eager to understand the truth about salvation through Christ. Then He moved upon these people to share their knowledge by reproducing and distributing the Word of God. The teachings of Jesus are transforming. First, there is good news that God Himself has provided atonement for our sins through Christ(the doctrine of justi cation). Second, there is good news that justi cation is accompanied with a miraculous refining experience (the doctrine of sanctification). People who are willing to overcome the power of sin through Christ’s strength will receive a winner’s ribbon and a golden crown. The Bible societies have done (and are doing) their appointed work. They have printed and distributed millions of Bibles around the world! This has been strenuous work, but the Holy Spirit plowed ahead. He gave dedicated men and women the ability and strength to do the impossible.
Note: The sword of truth always brings conflict. When Jesus lived on Earth, He made people angry by speaking the truth. Jesus said the problem is that men love darkness and they are afraid of the light of truth. The Jews killed Jesus because they did not want the light of truth to expose their evil ways. Evil people will do whatever it takes to keep the truth from being known. During the Great Tribulation, a time will come when speaking Bible truth will be very inflammatory. Evil men will persecute and kill those who love God’s Word thinking they can eliminate the light of truth that shines from God’s Word, but God’s truth cannot be stopped. God will endure forever and so will His truth. The campaign of the second seal will end when Lucifer sets up his theocracy (sixth trumpet).
 

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Prophesy means nothing?! What an odd comment! I don't know the time of His returning. He said there would be signs. Israel becoming a nation is the beginning. I would say His second coming is as important as His first and definitely means something.
I never said prophecy means nothing. You mentioned 1948 as an extremely important date, and then noted a completely unrelated verse to say it could be one or a thousand years after that date. That's called hedging your bet and renders it meaningless.
 
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tell me more friend. what do you think is going to happen next? you mentioned the trumpets. do you believee some of the seals have already been opened?
Seal Three – The Judgment of Jesus
{5} The third living creature said to the assembled host, “Come and see the assignment the Lamb has given me!” I watched as the Holy Spirit transformed Himself into a rider on a black horse! He left Heaven with a pair of balancing scales in His hand. The Holy Spirit carried a solemn message to the people on Earth that Jesus had begun to cleanse Heaven’s temple.
Because the third seal indicates judgment and the third seal follows the formation of Bible societies in the second seal, the third seal had to have been broken after the formation of the Bible societies. I believe the third seal was broken in 1844. This seal perfectly aligns with the scene in Daniel 7:9,10 where the court was seated and “the books were opened.” The third seal aligns with the cleansing of Heaven’s temple mentioned in Daniel 8:14.

Consider this: We know from the earthly temple services that the cleansing of the temple was a judicial process. The earthly temple became defiled by the record of sin and this necessitated an annual cleaning on the Day of Atonement. Similarly, Heaven’s temple has been defiled by the record of our sins and the assignment of guilt is determined during judgment. When all of the guilt is removed from Heaven’s temple and placed on the heads of sinners or the scapegoat, this will leave Heaven’s temple cleansed. Furthermore, Revelation 5:5 aligns with the exaltation of Jesus in Daniel 7:13,14. Jesus received the book sealed with seven seals and was given sovereign power in 1798 to conclude the sin problem and to exonerate the Father’s government. As each seal is broken, the events associated with it provide us a brighter revelation of all that Jesus is.

The pre-advent judgment illuminates the ministry of Jesus as the Judge of mankind. After Jesus broke open the third seal in 1844, He opened the Books of Record in Heaven and began to investigate the lives and deeds of men and women who have died throughout Earth’s history. The Holy Spirit led people into this timely understanding of truth around 1844. Unfortunately, the nature and importance of 1844 remains largely misunderstood by most Christians today. This darkness will evaporate when the next seal is broken because the judgment of the living begins with the fourth seal.

These insights reveal the timing and purpose of the first three seals that have opened, the forth is yet future. When it opens the trumpet judgements begin. I hope these post answer your question.
 
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according to my calculations, if the aod set up is islam (dragon that persecutes the woman in the wilderness), its mosque was set up on the temple mount around 689 ad, give or take a year or two. Add from that date 1260 prophetic years she is kept in the wilderness, you arrive at 1949 and 30 years later (1290 prophetic years) the ayatollah Khomeini returns from 15 years in exile to Iran in 1979 and two days later sets up the Council of the Islamic Revolution.
And adding 1335 days (from 689) brings us to 2024.
What about my first question?
 

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american delusions on display. america really is one of the most wicked nations on this earth. trust me, God will not be fighting for the united states.

you name the wickedness, it comes from usa. they have polluted the entire globe with the trannymania, hellish music industry, p0rn, hollywood movies, garbage theology and junk food. it is everywhere. every single country has been polluted by it. destroyed the youth world over.

but im sure God will fight these end time battles for ya.
You might obtain a little more understanding if you study a little bit more. Read the little book of Obadiah. Read about Esau and Jacob. What are the two nations that they represent? Do you know that God hates communism and socialism? Stop thinking about individual people and more about Godless systems and nations. Get some knowledge under your belt; perhaps then we can have a worthwhile discussion.
 

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I never said prophecy means nothing. You mentioned 1948 as an extremely important date, and then noted a completely unrelated verse to say it could be one or a thousand years after that date. That's called hedging your bet and renders it meaningless.
No, I pointed out that verse because I'm not saying it will happen on a certain date. I don't know God's timing, has nothing to do with a bet. It's an assurance of knowing that His return is close. It could be tomorrow, IDK, I'm not God. But according to Scripture 1948 is the beginning of the end. The verse is related, only God knows the time and He doesn't measure it as we do.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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american delusions on display. america really is one of the most wicked nations on this earth. trust me, God will not be fighting for the united states.

you name the wickedness, it comes from usa. they have polluted the entire globe with the trannymania, hellish music industry, p0rn, hollywood movies, garbage theology and junk food. it is everywhere. every single country has been polluted by it. destroyed the youth world over.

but im sure God will fight these end time battles for ya.

America is not mention in the Bible as having anything to do with end times. Israel is the focus of end times and they will go it alone as far as earthly help. Sin is old as time and the world over. No one has a corner on sin.
 

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No, I pointed out that verse because I'm not saying it will happen on a certain date. I don't know God's timing, has nothing to do with a bet. It's an assurance of knowing that His return is close. It could be tomorrow, IDK, I'm not God. But according to Scripture 1948 is the beginning of the end. The verse is related, only God knows the time and He doesn't measure it as we do.
Again, if it's a day or a thousand days then, well, it doesn't really matter. It certainly doesn't to me. I live my life like He's coming tomorrow and plan my life like He's not coming in my lifetime.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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I'm always interested in what Biblical facts if any, leads individuals to believe in what they believe. In order to better understand their foundations, I ask questions. I have two:

1) Is what you believe, taught by your faith community? My reason for asking is most Christians have more faith in their religion, than they have in Biblical truth, of which they are unaware.

2) What Biblical support, indicates that God's time clock began, when Israel became a nation?

#1 doesn't apply and #2 is obvious if you read the Word. Israel had to become a nation again for prophesy to be fulfilled and the end to begin. As far as I know, there are no prophesies holding back the second coming. I can't write a lot on it this moment but will if needed later.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Again, if it's a day or a thousand days then, well, it doesn't really matter. It certainly doesn't to me. I live my life like He's coming tomorrow and plan my life like he's not coming in my lifetime.

No, it may not matter to you, but it sure matters to people we're evangelizing to and reaching the world for Christ. You've been on the road however many years, that's fine, you can have that view.