The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

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brightfame52

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The shed righteous blood is sufficient for all but efficacious only unto those who believe.

What you repeatedly say is a partial truth, and not what Scripture actually teaches.
If you don't believe in the efficaciousness of Christ death, that He brings the Elect to God 1 Pet 3:18 that is unbelief friend.
 

Magenta

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If you don't believe in the efficaciousness of Christ death, that He brings the Elect to God 1 Pet 3:18 that is unbelief friend.
Can you not read? I just affirmed that Christ's shed righteous blood is efficacious unto those who believe.
 
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The shed righteous blood is sufficient for all but efficacious only unto those who believe.

What you repeatedly say is a partial truth, and not what Scripture actually teaches.
I've been telling that to brightfame52 for years ...

btw ... who's the little cutie-pie in your new avatar ???
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If you reject the Truth that Christs death effects conversion for all whom He died
"for all whom He died" ...

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.




brightfame52 said:
that it brings them to God1 Pet 3:18 then thats unbelief, no faith in Christ at all.
clearly you deny the resurrection and the ascension of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ...

If you deny the resurrection, you are yet in your sins

1 Corinthians 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.


It is through the ascension of the Lord Jesus Christ into heaven that we are brought to God ...


1 Peter 3:22 Who [the Lord Jesus Christ] is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Those for whom Christ died
The Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world ... all descendants of Adam:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.




brightfame52 said:
sin will not be imputed to them, charged to them legally for their condemnation.
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Magenta

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I've been telling that to brightfame52 for years ...

btw ... who's the little cutie-pie in your new avatar ???
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I know you have been going over this for quite some time with a few certain poster including bf52... you have
a very strong constitution! Nerves of steel, a will of iron, and a heart of gold! My new avatar is pre-school me
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I know you have been going over this for quite some time with a few certain poster including bf52... you have
a very strong constitution! Nerves of steel, a will of iron, and a heart of gold!
I just do like God does with us ... all the times God tells us the same truths in His Word over and over and over. :) ... like Father, like child ...

Ephesians 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children

that word "followers" is translated from the Greek word mimētḗs which means "imitator" ... I call God's children "tator tots"!!! :cool:




Magenta said:
My new avatar is pre-school me .:D
so cute!!!
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brightfame52

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Made us dead to the Law ! 4

Rom 7:4

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Folks this is a profound Truth, but they for whom Christ died are dead to the Law, and so they are dead to the severe consequences of having sinned against it, one such consequence is death; Recall back in 1 Cor 15:56 that the strength of sin is the Law :

56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Death has its right to reign because its the result of sinning against the Law, so the Law gives sin its power , which sin gives death its power. Death is the consequence of sin Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Sin here was against God's Law or Command first by Adam's transgression from this Law/Command Gen 2:16-17

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

So sense we become dead to the Law by the Body of Christ, sin cannot be charged, and so death, all types of it, can no longer be a Lawful consequence, hence all for whom Christ died, as a matter of Divine Justice must be redeemed out of death, that does include but not limited to Spiritual Death. Paul says Christ has abolished death 2 Tim 1:10 !

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Thats why its important for all whom Christ died to be made alive unto God, hence all for whom Christ died, to validate the Truth that He for them has abolished death and that by His Body they are dead to the Law, they must be made alive unto God or another way of saying it is that they must be born again Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened[made alive] us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

If all for whom Christ died are not made alive, its a miscarriage of Justice, and it means that Christ's death did not abolish death ! 34
 

brightfame52

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Can you not read? I just affirmed that Christ's shed righteous blood is efficacious unto those who believe.
If you don't believe in the efficaciousness of Christ death, that He brings the Elect to God 1 Pet 3:18 that is unbelief friend.
 

brightfame52

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"for all whom He died" ...

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.





clearly you deny the resurrection and the ascension of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ...

If you deny the resurrection, you are yet in your sins

1 Corinthians 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.


It is through the ascension of the Lord Jesus Christ into heaven that we are brought to God ...

1 Peter 3:22 Who [the Lord Jesus Christ] is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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If you reject the Truth that Christs death effects conversion for all whom He died as Per 1 Pet 3:18

Thats unbelief !
 

brightfame52

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The Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world ... all descendants of Adam:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.





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Those for whom Christ died, their sins had been imputed to Him, so all for whom He died, their sins arent imputed to them, they are debt free before Gods law and Justice. If you dont believe that, its unbelief
 

Magenta

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If you don't believe in the efficaciousness of Christ death, that He brings the Elect to God 1 Pet 3:18 that is unbelief friend.
Jesus draws all to Himself. Sorry you are in such disbelief.


John 12:31-32
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brightfame52

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Jesus draws all to Himself. Sorry you are in such disbelief.


John 12:31-32
:)
If you don't believe in the efficaciousness of Christ death, that He brings the Elect to God 1 Pet 3:18 that is unbelief friend.
 

Magenta

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If you don't believe in the efficaciousness of Christ death, that He brings the Elect to God 1 Pet 3:18 that is unbelief friend.
You show an egregious lack of understanding, since I have affirmed that Christ's shed righteous blood
is efficacious unto those who believe many many many times in your presence. No doubt this dearth
of comprehension hinders your ability to grasp Scriptural truths as well.
 

Cameron143

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You show an egregious lack of understanding, since I have affirmed that Christ's shed righteous blood
is efficacious unto those who believe many many many times in your presence. No doubt this dearth
of comprehension hinders your ability to grasp Scriptural truths as well.
Egregious and dearth in the same paragraph. Guess you had expresso today.
 

Magenta

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Egregious and dearth in the same paragraph. Guess you had expresso today.
I do like my coffee strong, but do not care for espresso, actually! And I drink instant at home... The
only place I get real coffee these days is at work: fresh ground beans in a French press. Ooh la la!!!
.:giggle:

PS to all who read this: could you please pray for my sister who recently lost her
husband eighteen days after he received a brain cancer diagnosis? Thank you.
 

brightfame52

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You show an egregious lack of understanding, since I have affirmed that Christ's shed righteous blood
is efficacious unto those who believe many many many times in your presence. No doubt this dearth
of comprehension hinders your ability to grasp Scriptural truths as well.
If you don't believe in the efficaciousness of Christ death, that He brings the Elect to God 1 Pet 3:18 that is unbelief friend.
 
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PS to all who read this: could you please pray for my sister who recently lost her
husband eighteen days after he received a brain cancer diagnosis?
praying ... so, so sorry for your loss ...

when this song was first released, I couldn't listen to it because I miss my husband so much ... but I am able to listen now ... beautiful song:

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