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Gideon300

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https://www2.cbn.com/news/us/califo...le-are-just-free-destroy-their-lives-out-open

I have mixed feelings about legalising drugs of addiction. I thought maybe legalising would be a way of at least minimising the harm that drugs cause. I'm not so sure now. Drugs change the personality so much that the results of legalisation are entirely unpredictable, or so it seems. While San Francisco does not formally legalise drugs, in effect drug use is no longer a crime. The consequences are obvious from this CBN report.
 
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Laws are not simply to protect the individuals rights, they are also to protect societies rights.

For example, do you want homeless felons, drug addicts and pedophiles camped out next to an elementary school?

The guy released from prison has rights but so do the parents who are sending their children to the school
 
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Drugs are still drugs whether legal or illegal.

Its pharmocopeia or witchcraft and sorcery to drug someone. I.e slowly poison them and make them stupid.
 
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The original drug was the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden
 
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In my opinion, the reason we’re against legalizing drugs is because it involves negative results we’re not familiar with.

The USA has had legal alcohol for a long time. Alcohol has resulted in deaths from drunk driving, alcohol addiction, and much more. No one calls for it to be illegal because of that. Why? Because we’re familiar with those results, and we live with them.

Alcohol creates addicts and death and harm, as do drugs.

In my opinion, the reasons given for making drugs illegal, apply to alcohol too. To remain consistent, those against legalizing drugs, should seek to make alcohol illegal too. This is more about approving what we’re familiar with, as we treat something as different because we’re not familiar,
 
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Kaniel_Outis_Ogygia said:
In my opinion, the reason we’re against legalizing drugs is because it involves negative results we’re not familiar with.

The USA has had legal alcohol for a long time. Alcohol has resulted in deaths from drunk driving, alcohol addiction, and much more. No one calls for it to be illegal because of that. Why? Because we’re familiar with those results, and we live with them.

Alcohol creates addicts and death and harm, as do drugs.

In my opinion, the reasons given for making drugs illegal, apply to alcohol too. To remain consistent, those against legalizing drugs, should seek to make alcohol illegal too. This is more about approving what we’re familiar with, as we treat something as different because we’re not familiar,
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Making alcohol consumption and production illegal has been tried and has failed. The problem got worse, not better. We can see the results of not enforcing laws against drug use and production. Absolute chaos and disaster. Would the drug problem be resolved if drugs were legal and controlled as alcohol is controlled? I don't know. It's a hell of a genie to let out of the bottle. Alcohol is bad enough. Do we need to add to the problem?

It takes a fair while to become addicted to alcohol, hardly any time to be addicted to drugs. And that is probably the main difference. I've had fentanyl in hospital. I refused more because, sick as I was, I realised that I could get hooked very easily.
 
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The only way to reduce drugs and drug addictions is to implement and enforce punishments. Singapore gives the death penalty even for a small packet or marijuana. No drug issue and also not too many willing to risk it. However, this won't work in the U.S.
 
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Some countries would be able to enforce alcohol bans, just not the U.S. Look at some of the Muslim countries.
 
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Kaniel_Outis_Ogygia said:
In my opinion, the reason we’re against legalizing drugs is because it involves negative results we’re not familiar with.

The USA has had legal alcohol for a long time. Alcohol has resulted in deaths from drunk driving, alcohol addiction, and much more. No one calls for it to be illegal because of that. Why? Because we’re familiar with those results, and we live with them.

Alcohol creates addicts and death and harm, as do drugs.

In my opinion, the reasons given for making drugs illegal, apply to alcohol too. To remain consistent, those against legalizing drugs, should seek to make alcohol illegal too. This is more about approving what we’re familiar with, as we treat something as different because we’re not familiar,
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The difference between drugs and alcohol is God specifically said he made wine to make out hearts glad.
 
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NightTwister said:
The difference between drugs and alcohol is God specifically said he made wine to make out hearts glad.
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I just finished a bottle of 100% Unfermented cherry juice the other day after it was hot and humid outside. I normally have it on special occasions.
It contains No alcohol, yet made my heart glad. In my Bible, for hundreds of years the term "wine" was understood to mean fruit juice. It could either be defined as fermented OR UNfermented, depending on the context.
Most pastor's fail to teach that as with so many subjects and I had to learn that on my own. Just passing it forward. Have a good day.
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HealthAndHappiness said:
I just finished a bottle of 100% Unfermented cherry juice the other day after it was hot and humid. It contains No alcohol, yet made my heart glad. In my Bible, for hundreds of years the term "wine" was understood to mean fruit juice. It could either be defined as fermented OR UNfermented, depending on the context.
Most pastor's fail to teach that as with so many subjects and I had to learn that on my own. Just passing it forward. Have a good day.
🍾🙂👍
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Unfermented "wine" makes no sense in the context of Psalms or the Gospel of John. Pastors who teach otherwise have an agenda.
 
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NightTwister said:
Unfermented "wine" makes no sense in the context of Psalms or the Gospel of John. Pastors who teach otherwise have an agenda.
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Certainly there's an agenda.
How many Roman Catholics drink alcohol every week? I'm not saying they are drunk, but drunkenness is highly acceptable in Roman Catholicism as well as a lot of protestantism. They even attempt to make Jesus out to be contributing to the drunkenness of His people, which is blasphemous.
 
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HealthAndHappiness said:
I just finished a bottle of 100% Unfermented cherry juice the other day after it was hot and humid outside. I normally have it on special occasions.
It contains No alcohol, yet made my heart glad. In my Bible, for hundreds of years the term "wine" was understood to mean fruit juice. It could either be defined as fermented OR UNfermented, depending on the context.
Most pastor's fail to teach that as with so many subjects and I had to learn that on my own. Just passing it forward. Have a good day.
🍾🙂👍
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There's very good reasons for making wine and beer for that matter when fresh water wasn't always available. Back then storing water long term wasn't practical because it would become stagnant, but fermented drinks don't spoil. So it was a necessary at times to have beer or wine available to drink in order to stay hydrated. In short it could mean the difference between life or death.
 
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Handyman62 said:
There's very good reasons for making wine and beer for that matter when fresh water wasn't always available. Back then storing water long term wasn't practical because it would become stagnant, but fermented drinks don't spoil. So it was a necessary at times to have beer or wine available to drink in order to stay hydrated. In short it could mean the difference between life or death.
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How did they store alcoholic beverages, in an open keg? Did they have barrels with no lids?
 
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Gideon300 said:
I've had fentanyl in hospital. I refused more because, sick as I was, I realised that I could get hooked very easily.
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I had fentanyl in the hospital after my last surgery a year ago and it did nothing for my pain .:unsure:
 
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HealthAndHappiness said:
Certainly there's an agenda.
How many Roman Catholics drink alcohol every week? I'm not saying they are drunk, but drunkenness is highly acceptable in Roman Catholicism as well as a lot of protestantism. They even attempt to make Jesus out to be contributing to the drunkenness of His people, which is blasphemous.
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That God made wine for our enjoyment and Scripture also says not to be drunk are not in conflict.
 
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