Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I'm responding with reason and facts. But that seems to be a problem for you.

You've been answered. Find another point or question or drop it.

 

[posthuman]

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 66% of Likely U.S. Voters are concerned that the outcome of the 2024 presidential election will be affected by cheating, including 40% who are Very Concerned. Thirty-two percent (32%) aren’t concerned about cheating in next year’s election, including 15% who are Not At All Concerned. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/pu...ation/81_million_votes_nearly_half_say_no_way

That was June 28, 2023

32% not concerned about election fraud., 68% are. Or roughly 30% / 70%

im concerned about cheating because our last president demonstrated that he is willing to cheat and lie to gain or hold onto worldly power, and because at least 30% of republicans believe his lies and will cheat for him if he asks them to.

concern about cheating isn't the same as believing the big lie.

 

[ZNP]

im concerned about cheating because our last president demonstrated that he is willing to cheat and lie to gain or hold onto worldly power, and because at least 30% of republicans believe his lies and will cheat for him if he asks them to.

concern about cheating isn't the same as believing the big lie.

Yes it is, that is what you don't get.

The people who are concerned about election fraud are not focused on 2020, they are focused on 2024.

 

[cv5]

Former President Donald Trump has declared that he absolutely believes that the 2020 election was stolen - a denial of the central allegation in his most recent federal indictment.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political...2020-election-was-rigged-disputes-feds-claims

Spoken truth is pleasant like a cool mountain breeze is it not?

 

[ZNP]

Former President Donald Trump has declared that he absolutely believes that the 2020 election was stolen - a denial of the central allegation in his most recent federal indictment.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political...2020-election-was-rigged-disputes-feds-claims

Spoken truth is like a cool mountain breeze is it not?

But how could he believe that when Bill Barr told him it wasn't?

 

[cv5]

the big lie.

Or....the big truth. Which of course is absolutely true. Based on vast quantities of high quality prima facie evidence and HUNDREDS of perfectly credible witnesses.

 

[cv5]

I need to revise my statement about if it does end up being Trump vs Biden again... If Trump is smart and he wins the nominee (most likely scenario), he would select DeSantis as his running mate. That may be the only way I ever vote for the Trump ticket. It wouldn't change my sentiments of Trump, but at least I would be voting for someone I can get behind (DeSantis). It would be an interesting good cop-bad cop dynamic to say the least.

This would be good. In terms of resonant frequencies getting that wrecking ball moving as fast as possible.

 

[posthuman]

Or....the big truth. Which of course is absolutely true. Based on vast quantities of high quality prima facie evidence and HUNDREDS of perfectly credible witnesses.

by which you mean the abundant, abounding, incontrovertible evidence that the election was in fact free and fair?

perhaps you could point to even one single allegation otherwise that ever passed a single court examination.

if you're wondering if i buy into the completely unsubstantiated narrative of an abject liar, no, i do not trust the most dishonest man who ever sojourned in the white house. not as far as i can throw him - and he's a bit heavy so that's not very far at all.

as Christians we ought to have a predilection against "the liar" -- and all who emulate him.
instead, here in America anyway, we adulate him.

 

[posthuman]

by which you mean the abundant, abounding, incontrovertible evidence that the election was in fact free and fair?

perhaps you could point to even one single allegation otherwise that ever passed a single court examination.

if you're wondering if i buy into the completely unsubstantiated narrative of an abject liar, no, i do not trust the most dishonest man who ever sojourned in the white house. not as far as i can throw him - and he's a bit heavy so that's not very far at all.

as Christians we ought to have a predilection against "the liar" -- and all who emulate him.
instead, here in America anyway, we adulate him.

and some of you will read that and think, "he seems like he likes Obama"

good grief.

please stop thinking like the world thinks.
we are supposed to be in a Christian forum, not a secular one.
this is not 'RNC chat'

i hate liars.
former-president Trump is a big fat one.
end of story.

 

[ZNP]

by which you mean the abounding evidence that the election was in fact free and fair?

i do not trust the most dishonest man who ever sojourned in the white house. not as far as i can throw him - and he's a bit heavy so that's not very far at all.

as Christians we ought to have a predilection against "the liar" -- and all who emulate him.
instead, here in America anyway, we adulate him.

You have the right to that opinion, we don't mind that you are in a shrinking minority, this is America. No one is going to suggest that you are a criminal because you believe the election was not stolen despite all the evidence. The freedom of speech means I will defend your right to have that opinion. I would never think that you should be indicted and thrown in jail because you posted that.

 

[cv5]

Its what the mainstream media/legacy media did that is the consideration.

Keep in mind that it is perfectly well known that the MSM today is little more than the "Alphabet Spook Gang" propaganda organ.
The evidence for this conclusion is right out there in the open and beyond all refutation. All owned and operated by the billionaire boys club.

Ultimately, the USSA is owned and operated by onshore and offshore elites/billionaires/banksters etc. Most of the pathetic politicians on the Hill are little more than puppets and mouthpieces discharging their marching orders. Some are rank criminals on the take. Some are commie nutters. Most are awful.

And yes, those secret societies so called DO EXIST. Of all people, Schwab is not confused.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654372746208464899

 

[HeIsHere]

The mere presence of a question like this displays the significant cult like following of Trump.

The answer to this question if it regarded pretty much anyone else, would be so obvious, it wouldn’t even need to be asked.

For most any other candidate, it would be obvious that you’d no longer support a candidate if they did X thing(s).

Why isn’t this also obvious for a significant amount of Trump supporters?

Because for them, it’s about loyalty or disloyalty to a person, not loyalty and disloyalty of ideas, what’s right and wrong, or personal conduct.

For so many this is like a cult or the mob(mafia).

And if I hear one more statement about how he gathers large crowds, and others don’t, therefore he IS the preference of most, I’m going to eat my keyboard.

Most people don’t build an identity or a life around a political candidate. Most people don’t follow candidates like fangirls followed The Beatles. To most a candidate is just a candidate, they’re not a lifestyle choice or some sort of mascot to enshrine your life over, at least not to the extent to HAVE to go hear them speak and wait in line all day.

You do realize that the USA is facing an existential crisis and by default could jeopardize its standing as a leading world power and the leader whi is put in office will have a tremendous impact on the future of the country........and while I am it if the USA goes down it won't be a little ripple but a tsunami of worldwide change.

Yeah so your likening Trump voters to groupies and fans just shows me you have no idea what is happening at the ground level of the country.

You seem to like to avoid responding directly why is that?

 

[HeIsHere]

Most are awful.

It really is!

 

[cv5]

by which you mean the abundant, abounding, incontrovertible evidence that the election was in fact free and fair?

perhaps you could point to even one single allegation otherwise that ever passed a single court examination.

if you're wondering if i buy into the completely unsubstantiated narrative of an abject liar, no, i do not trust the most dishonest man who ever sojourned in the white house. not as far as i can throw him - and he's a bit heavy so that's not very far at all.

as Christians we ought to have a predilection against "the liar" -- and all who emulate him.
instead, here in America anyway, we adulate him.

PH.....I have posted many many "caught red handed" instances of horrific election fraud on this very thread. Tons. And yet you failed to apprehend not even the least one of them?

 

[HeIsHere]

PH.....I have posted many many "caught red handed" instances of horrific election fraud on this very thread. Tons. And yet you failed to apprehend not even the least one of them?

Why does he say Trump cheated, did I miss something?

 

[Smoke]

IMO, desantis would be a poor choice for a running mate. He's shown himself to be in cahoots with deepstatists and will be beholden to them should he get elected to any federal office down the road.

Fair enough. I have a willingness to investigate the truth, whatever it might be. Do you have any evidence to share to substantiate the claim he is a deepstatist and/or in cahoots with them? If I'm ignorant of what's going on, I don't want to be informed and not promote someone that is a con.

 

[HeIsHere]

i do not trust the most dishonest man who ever sojourned in the white house.

Remember the weapons of mass destruction... umm how many lives that cost.

I could go on...

Oh but Trump is the most dishonest...... isn't is funny how with Trump we can all recognize his exaggerations and lies but with most Presidents it takes years before the truth is uncovered because their lies are so deep used to cover extensive corruption.

 

[ZNP]

Fair enough. I have a willingness to investigate the truth, whatever it might be. Do you have any evidence to share to substantiate the claim he is a deepstatist and/or in cahoots with them? If I'm ignorant of what's going on, I don't want to be informed and not promote someone that is a con.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/01/desantis-donors-finance-campaign-00109142

Deep-pocketed political donors have flooded Ron DeSantis’ super PAC — demonstrating his campaign’s reliance on an outside group funded by a small circle of wealthy people.

The donations — laid out Monday night in the first official filing of the Never Back Down PAC supporting the Florida governor — show DeSantis can benefit from nearly $100 million the organization had on hand as of June 30. Between Never Back Down’s deep coffers and DeSantis’ early campaign cutbacks, his operation will largely be powered by what is in essence a shadow campaign that cannot legally coordinate with the candidate.


The super PAC’s biggest single donor, Robert Bigelow, gave $20 million — accounting for more than half of the total from individual contributions Never Back Down has raised since March. Bigelow is not a new donor: He gave $10 million last summer to a Florida state PAC that DeSantis set up as governor. That account, now called Empower Parents, shifted $82.5 million to Never Back Down in May — making it the largest influx of cash.

 

[ZNP]

Remember the weapons of mass destruction... umm how many lives that cost.

I could go on...

Oh but Trump is the most dishonest...... isn't is funny how with Trump we can all recognize his exaggerations and lies but with most Presidents it takes years before the truth is uncovered because their lies are so deep used to cover extensive corruption.

That's because you have to read his lips, don't listen to him say no new taxes, instead you need a body language expert to figure out the lies.

 

[HeIsHere]

Fair enough. I have a willingness to investigate the truth, whatever it might be. Do you have any evidence to share to substantiate the claim he is a deepstatist and/or in cahoots with them? If I'm ignorant of what's going on, I don't want to be informed and not promote someone that is a con.

Find out if he supports the war with Ukraine and that will be a start.

War lines pockets.