Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

[ZNP]

The mere presence of a question like this displays the significant cult like following of Trump.

No, the post from a single person can't possibly display that. If by "significant" you mean a significant portion of the 75 million who voted for him you cannot assume that 3 1/2 million people would say this because one person did.

If on the other hand you think it displays a signficant cult, though tip of the iceberg, that believes if you don't vote for Trump you think this way then you would have to direct us to their website, or bring us video footage from their compound, or hear from people who escaped the cult. If you are tying this to Trump you need to refer us to his speeches spouting this rhetoric.

Why are you jumping to these huge leaps unless you are clearly biased. Oh, just looked at your name, I get it, you are the troll.

 

[ZNP]

Does that mean the anti-Trumpers wanted to kill unborn babies?

I am not aware of any political platform in the US that "wants to kill unborn babies".

I think the proper expression is that they want to hide their eyes from the sin. That is a practice that the Bible condemns.

 

[Kaniel_Outis_Ogygia]

No, the post from a single person can't possibly display that. If by "significant" you mean a significant portion of the 75 million who voted for him you cannot assume that 3 1/2 million people would say this because one person did.

If on the other hand you think it displays a signficant cult, though tip of the iceberg, that believes if you don't vote for Trump you think this way then you would have to direct us to their website, or bring us video footage from their compound, or hear from people who escaped the cult. If you are tying this to Trump you need to refer us to his speeches spouting this rhetoric.

Why are you jumping to these huge leaps unless you are clearly biased. Oh, just looked at your name, I get it, you are the troll.

I’m a troll?

I pay attention the the larger Republican narrative, and see this post as part of that overall narrative.

Of course, if I had just jumped in the forums, out of the blue, and saw this, and concluded it represented a vast amount of Trump supporters, I’d be dumber than Kamala trying to solve a two letter Wheel of Fortune puzzle.

It has been a story of Trump supporters from almost day one, that they’d support him even if he shot someone on the street. Words from the head of the movement himself.

Link to video of him saying such.

So no, this isn’t about me just jumping in out of the blue, and reaching a general conclusion based one one post.

And please quit trying to smear and cancel me by calling me a troll.

Sorry I dissented from your narrative. I thought we were fine with free thinking and dissents from narratives.

 

[ZNP]

I am not aware of any political platform in the US that "wants to kill unborn babies".

I think the proper expression is that they want to hide their eyes from the sin. That is a practice that the Bible condemns.

Isaiah 1:15
15 When you spread out your hands in prayer,
I hide my eyes from you;
even when you offer many prayers,
I am not listening.
Your hands are full of blood!

 

[ZNP]

I’m a troll?

I pay attention the the larger Republican narrative, and see this post as part of that overall narrative.

Of course, if I had just jumped in the forums, out of the blue, and saw this, and concluded it represented a vast amount of Trump supporters, I’d be dumber than Kamala trying to solve a two letter Wheel of Fortune puzzle.

It has been a story of Trump supporters from almost day one, that they’d support him even if he shot someone on the street. Words from the head of the movement himself.

Link to video of him saying such.

So no, this isn’t about me just jumping in out of the blue, and reaching a general conclusion based one one post.

And please quit trying to smear and cancel me by calling me a troll.

Sorry I dissented from your narrative. I thought we were fine with free thinking and dissents from narratives.

You didn't reference anything but that one post as proof of a significant cult following. Of course no one will pay any attention to what you say.

I don't care who you vote for or why, I am interested in listening to intelligent conversation, particularly from those who have a different viewpoint if it is cogent with relevant references and not the same old same old.

 

[Tall_Timbers]

I need to revise my statement about if it does end up being Trump vs Biden again... If Trump is smart and he wins the nominee (most likely scenario), he would select DeSantis as his running mate. That may be the only way I ever vote for the Trump ticket. It wouldn't change my sentiments of Trump, but at least I would be voting for someone I can get behind (DeSantis). It would be an interesting good cop-bad cop dynamic to say the least.

IMO, desantis would be a poor choice for a running mate. He's shown himself to be in cahoots with deepstatists and will be beholden to them should he get elected to any federal office down the road.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I don't agree with voting for a democrat but the republicans are not right either.

Republicans are the only thing standing between us and Communism right now. But if Americans sit on their hands and these radicals get back into office and I hear one peep of complaint from people I know voted Biden they're gonna hear the rosary backwards. People need to pull their head out, look around and see what's taking place. Somebody better wake up and stand up quick.

 

[ZNP]

Does that mean the anti-Trumpers wanted to kill unborn babies?

Luke 12:1 Meanwhile, when a crowd of many thousands had gathered, so that they were trampling on one another, Jesus began to speak first to his disciples, saying: “Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. 2 There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.

The fundamental principle in the ruling of Roe V Wade is that you get to hide your eyes concerning the sin of abortion. He said the woman has the right to privacy. This is the leaven of the pharisees, hide it in the flour. Jesus tells you that this is not true, when you appear before the judgement seat there is nothing that is hidden that will not be disclosed.

 

[ZNP]

IMO, desantis would be a poor choice for a running mate. He's shown himself to be in cahoots with deepstatists and will be beholden to them should he get elected to any federal office down the road.

IMO Kari Lake is the obvious choice.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I am not aware of any political platform in the US that "wants to kill unborn babies".

I think the proper expression is that they want to hide their eyes from the sin. That is a practice that the Bible condemns.

Then you need to meet the radical Dems, because I do believe they want to kill unborn babies. They follow Margret Sanger to a T.

 

[Dropship]

Trump banned Iran's nuclear weapon program, but Biden scrapped the ban and gave them the go-ahead.
So Biden voters put every American and their kids at risk-

 

[ZNP]

Then you need to meet the radical Dems, because I do believe they want to kill unborn babies. They follow Margret Sanger to a T.

I am well aware that Satanists and worshippers of Moloch or Baal want to kill unborn babies. What I said was I do not believe it is stated by any political platform that they want to kill unborn babies.

If you want to refute this find the Democrats platform and quote it, or the Republicans, or the green party, or a Bernie socialist, or anyone who is going to be on the ballot for president.

 

[Smoke]

Does that mean the anti-Trumpers wanted to kill unborn babies?

Trump is an anomaly for me. I am not a supporter of his, but I can't deny he is probably the best president in my lifetime... but that isn't really saying much because we have had train wreck presidents over the last 40 years.

Some might say Reagan is the greatest in that time frame, but he was the biggest pusher for corporate welfare. Automatic disqualifier for me. He started the trend of doubling the national debt due to corporate welfare. Trump might have a similar position on many of Reagan's economic deals (corporate welfare), but he wasn't the founder of it.

Democrats might say Bill Clinton was the greatest and credit him for the economic boom of the 90s. It wouldn't have mattered who was president from 92-00, the dot com (.com) boom would have made them look like an economic mastermind.

Bush is a domestic terrorist, warmonger, who bailed out too big to fail banks and wasted trillions of dollars trying to finish his daddy's war. He pushed for the Patriot Act which is unconstitutional and has taken a tremendous amount of our rights away. He's probably the worst president in the last 40 years.

Obama exacerbated our national debt and pushed his affordable care act in which no one even knew what was in it. I don't think he was the anti-Christ many Christians thought he was when he was initially elected, but he just continued what Bush was doing towards to end of his administration all the while increased racial tension across the US.

 

[Kaniel_Outis_Ogygia]

Trump banned Iran's nuclear weapon program, but Biden scrapped the ban and gave them the go-ahead.
So Biden voters put every American and their kids at risk-

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Not necessarily.

The original treaty bought us time, with very strong inspections going on.

Pulling out, put a halt to the halt, and let Iran move forward without any inspections for the last six or years.

It’s really a decision between really bad options. At least under the agreement they were halted, giving us time to work toward a better resolution.

Yes Iran was given millions or was it billions? Either way, two bad options. We had to choose the best worst option and work from there.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I am well aware that Satanists and worshippers of Moloch or Baal want to kill unborn babies. What I said was I do not believe it is stated by any political platform that they want to kill unborn babies.

Mmm humm I think their intent slipped out with ol' Ralph Northam. He hasn't made a squeak since he let the cat out of the bag on infanticide.

If you want to refute this find the Democrats platform and quote it, or the Republicans, or the green party, or a Bernie socialist, or anyone who is going to be on the ballot for president.

Put it in print? No, they're not that stupid, only the Biden family is. Ask their policy on restrictions on abortion and they all say " it's between a woman and her doctor", question answered without answering.

 

[posthuman]

I think we can all say we appreciate that you would be willing to voice this opinion that has become so very unpopular. Sure, two and half years ago the majority of Americans felt that the election was not stolen, now that number is down to 30%. At one point the majority of Americans

you are confusing "Americans" with "members of the republican party"

common mistake.

 

[true_believer]

You don't get to put words in my mouth Bubba. You were answered directly. And you're just here to shoot your mouth off and be ignorant, you'll find yourself reported. I'm not playing head games with you. Don't get it twisted.

I'm responding with reason and facts. But that seems to be a problem for you.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

So then your debate is not about Trump, it is about whether or not Christians should vote for a person to be president. Are unbelievers the only ones who get to vote and select a president?

Everyone of age can vote.

 

[true_believer]

Is that a policy decision he made while in office?

You want to hold up a person's character, so non nonsensical, no one and I mean no one would be worthy of the postion who has been in office.

The quality of one's character is a pertinent issue in Christianity, right?
https://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-character.html

 

[ZNP]

you are confusing "Americans" with "members of the republican party"

common mistake.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 66% of Likely U.S. Voters are concerned that the outcome of the 2024 presidential election will be affected by cheating, including 40% who are Very Concerned. Thirty-two percent (32%) aren’t concerned about cheating in next year’s election, including 15% who are Not At All Concerned. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/pu...ation/81_million_votes_nearly_half_say_no_way

That was June 28, 2023

32% not concerned about election fraud., 68% are. Or roughly 30% / 70%