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The answer is given in verse 18: He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory; but He ( Christ ) that seeketh His glory that sent Him ( the Father ), the same (Christ) is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him. The doctrine is about who to give the glory to, the Son or the Father. Christ clearly states that the glory should go to the Father. In verse 17 Christ is distinguishing Himself from the Father: If any man will do His (the Father's) will , he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
The Father is the all encompassing, invisible essence with a mind, heart, intelligence, and will. He has always existed, is everywhere at once, is all powerful, and knows all things. In the past eternity God becomes a Father when another being is formed out of His essence and within His essence because the Father is all encompassing. The beginning starts when the Son (Christ) was formed with His own mind, heart, intelligence, and will. The Son is the image of the Father because Christ is filled with the Father's essence through which the Father communicates His will and empowers. In a sense, our reality both physical and spiritual is in the mind of the invisible God (the Father) who created all things through His Spirit in Christ. That is why Christ prays to the Father and wants to give all the glory to the Father from whom He gets all the wisdom, direction, and power. Christ is our Lord and God because He is Lord and God of all creation, but the Father is the One God of all including Christ. Ephesians 1: 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ, We are in Christ when we become part of His Spiritual body.
The Father is the all encompassing, invisible essence with a mind, heart, intelligence, and will. He has always existed, is everywhere at once, is all powerful, and knows all things. In the past eternity God becomes a Father when another being is formed out of His essence and within His essence because the Father is all encompassing. The beginning starts when the Son (Christ) was formed with His own mind, heart, intelligence, and will. The Son is the image of the Father because Christ is filled with the Father's essence through which the Father communicates His will and empowers. In a sense, our reality both physical and spiritual is in the mind of the invisible God (the Father) who created all things through His Spirit in Christ. That is why Christ prays to the Father and wants to give all the glory to the Father from whom He gets all the wisdom, direction, and power. Christ is our Lord and God because He is Lord and God of all creation, but the Father is the One God of all including Christ. Ephesians 1: 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ, We are in Christ when we become part of His Spiritual body.
No matter what Peter may or may not have done, either Mark was FULLY inspired in the Greek (every jot and tittle) or he was not. Even if we assume that Mark was Peter's amanuensis (scribe) then God inspired Peter directly.
"How Mark composed his Gospel, is a question not yet decided among learned men. Many of the primitive fathers, such as Papias, Clemens, Alexandrinus, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Origen, Eusebius, etc., believed that he was only the amanuensis of St. Peter; that this apostle, through modesty, would not put his name to the work, but dictated the whole account, and Mark wrote it down from his mouth. " Clarke's Commentary. So you are even mistaken about the Church Fathers.
On the other hand, there is not a single book in the book where an amanuensis is involved, so why this one? Also, everything in Scripture tells us that Peter was far from "modest". ALL PURE CONJECTURE. Liberal scholars love to muddy the waters.
"How Mark composed his Gospel, is a question not yet decided among learned men. Many of the primitive fathers, such as Papias, Clemens, Alexandrinus, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Origen, Eusebius, etc., believed that he was only the amanuensis of St. Peter; that this apostle, through modesty, would not put his name to the work, but dictated the whole account, and Mark wrote it down from his mouth. " Clarke's Commentary. So you are even mistaken about the Church Fathers.
On the other hand, there is not a single book in the book where an amanuensis is involved, so why this one? Also, everything in Scripture tells us that Peter was far from "modest". ALL PURE CONJECTURE. Liberal scholars love to muddy the waters.
"In mathematics, for something to be true, it must always be true. To prove something false, all you have to do is provide a contradiction. Most people's belief on the Trinity is pretty much set so the plan is to be respectful of their belief and simply show that their belief is inadequate."
This is human reasoning which cannot comprehend the Divine Nature of God. Therefore The God who made the world and the Sun, moon, and day also stopped time, opened and divided waters, and raised the dead. Things that man are incapable of doing.
Mathematics is not the authoritative word of God. The God of the bible lives outside Time, Space, and Matter. The above, is an opinion created by human reasoning; who thinks they are authoritative because they know math? God is surely impressed.
This is human reasoning which cannot comprehend the Divine Nature of God. Therefore The God who made the world and the Sun, moon, and day also stopped time, opened and divided waters, and raised the dead. Things that man are incapable of doing.
Mathematics is not the authoritative word of God. The God of the bible lives outside Time, Space, and Matter. The above, is an opinion created by human reasoning; who thinks they are authoritative because they know math? God is surely impressed.
what is the context of that statement?
The whole Chapter is Prophetic.
Jesus spoke about :
It is the Parable of the fig tree and the Coming of the Son of Man that Jesus said no one knows the day of the hour.
But "Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is. "
Jesus was Leaving them, and he wanted them to focus on the Gospel Mission and laid the return of the Son of Man on HIS Father.
Jesus, like when Jesus told the Disciples when they asked Him, "will you at this time restore your Kingdom. Jesus told them is None of your Business You are to be my Witnesses.
Mark 13:32 is parallel with Matthew 24.
Mark 13:1
Then as He went out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, “Teacher, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!”
2 And Jesus answered and said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone shall be left upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”
3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked Him privately, 4 “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?
Matthew 24 speaks of the same thing. They wanted Jesus to become and early King NOT to Die, as Jesus knew why and how he was going to die. And Be risen again.
Jesus is God but not the Father, yet they are both one. That is what Jesus said.
The whole Chapter is Prophetic.
Jesus spoke about :
- The destruction of the Temple
- The Signs of the Times and the End of the Age
- The Great Tribulation
- The Coming of the Son of Man
- The Parable of the Fig Tree
It is the Parable of the fig tree and the Coming of the Son of Man that Jesus said no one knows the day of the hour.
But "Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is. "
Jesus was Leaving them, and he wanted them to focus on the Gospel Mission and laid the return of the Son of Man on HIS Father.
Jesus, like when Jesus told the Disciples when they asked Him, "will you at this time restore your Kingdom. Jesus told them is None of your Business You are to be my Witnesses.
Mark 13:32 is parallel with Matthew 24.
Mark 13:1
Then as He went out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, “Teacher, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!”
2 And Jesus answered and said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone shall be left upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”
3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked Him privately, 4 “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?
Matthew 24 speaks of the same thing. They wanted Jesus to become and early King NOT to Die, as Jesus knew why and how he was going to die. And Be risen again.
Jesus is God but not the Father, yet they are both one. That is what Jesus said.
This is from a post our beloved brother @Aaron56 made recently: source
He spoke these words as Jesus: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father". But Jesus died and was raised, becoming the Christ, a life-giving Spirit. His nature, then, transcended time and space. For example, while it was not possible to include all believers in Jesus as His body, because He was a singular man with one body, it is now possible to include all believers in Christ.
But let's look at a couple things:
First, what was said is "No one knows..." This is present tense. As in "no one knows at this time". So, who doesn't know,
He said no one (man), angels, nor the Son; so even He did not know. He did not know as Jesus. Only the Father knew.
Let's look at something the Holy Spirit revealed to John:
Revelation 1: "This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon
come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, who testifies to everything he saw."
So, right away we see that this is the revelation of Jesus Christ given to Him by God.
AND THEN, we see that it was given to an angel to give to John.
Jesus said "No one (man) knows, not the angels, not the Son only God. So...
No man > no angel > no Son > only God.
But Revelation 1 reverses the order of Jesus' words. In this instance,
Jesus who is now the Christ, gives it to an angel to give to John.
But how did Christ get it? From the Father.
When Jesus addressed His departure, He comforted the disciples with many words.
In John 16 this is recorded:
"He (the Father) will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things
that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you."
Jesus knew His Father was about to glorify Him with the glory He had in the beginning. He also knew
that all the Father had was His inheritance and that He (Jesus) was about to receive all the Father had.
Well, the Father knew the Day. So, Jesus, as the Christ, is about to receive the knowledge of the Day.
So, when He originally spoke "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels
in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father" He was telling the truth, He did not know.
But now that He was going to the Father to inherit all the Father had, the revelation of the Day would be given to Him.
So, the original order was no man > no angel > no Son > only God.
But, now from heaven, through an angel, Christ gives the revelation to a man, John.
"This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come
to pass.He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, who testifies to everything he saw."
God gives to the >Son gives to the angels >gives to man. This is a complete reversal of the order. The circle is complete.
But if that isn't enough, here is 1 Thessalonians 5
"Now about the times and seasons, brothers, we do not need to write to you. For you are fully aware that
the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and security,”
destruction will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
But you, brothers, are not in the darkness...
(So he's making a comparison between two camps: those who ARE in darkness and those who ARE NOT in darkness)
..so that this day should overtake you like a thief. For you are all sons of the light and sons of the day; we do not belong
to the night or to the darkness. So then, let us not sleep as the others do, but let us remain awake and sober."
We are NOT like those who live in darkness. Therefore, the Day of His return will not overtake us like a thief.
Conclusion: we do not presently know the day but WE WILL KNOW THE DAY. No one will know in enough time to
write a book about it or to get rich off of it, but those who remain sober and awake, in the Lord, will not be surprised.
He spoke these words as Jesus: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father". But Jesus died and was raised, becoming the Christ, a life-giving Spirit. His nature, then, transcended time and space. For example, while it was not possible to include all believers in Jesus as His body, because He was a singular man with one body, it is now possible to include all believers in Christ.
But let's look at a couple things:
First, what was said is "No one knows..." This is present tense. As in "no one knows at this time". So, who doesn't know,
He said no one (man), angels, nor the Son; so even He did not know. He did not know as Jesus. Only the Father knew.
Let's look at something the Holy Spirit revealed to John:
Revelation 1: "This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon
come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, who testifies to everything he saw."
So, right away we see that this is the revelation of Jesus Christ given to Him by God.
AND THEN, we see that it was given to an angel to give to John.
Jesus said "No one (man) knows, not the angels, not the Son only God. So...
No man > no angel > no Son > only God.
But Revelation 1 reverses the order of Jesus' words. In this instance,
Jesus who is now the Christ, gives it to an angel to give to John.
But how did Christ get it? From the Father.
When Jesus addressed His departure, He comforted the disciples with many words.
In John 16 this is recorded:
"He (the Father) will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things
that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you."
Jesus knew His Father was about to glorify Him with the glory He had in the beginning. He also knew
that all the Father had was His inheritance and that He (Jesus) was about to receive all the Father had.
Well, the Father knew the Day. So, Jesus, as the Christ, is about to receive the knowledge of the Day.
So, when He originally spoke "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels
in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father" He was telling the truth, He did not know.
But now that He was going to the Father to inherit all the Father had, the revelation of the Day would be given to Him.
So, the original order was no man > no angel > no Son > only God.
But, now from heaven, through an angel, Christ gives the revelation to a man, John.
"This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come
to pass.He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, who testifies to everything he saw."
God gives to the >Son gives to the angels >gives to man. This is a complete reversal of the order. The circle is complete.
But if that isn't enough, here is 1 Thessalonians 5
"Now about the times and seasons, brothers, we do not need to write to you. For you are fully aware that
the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and security,”
destruction will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
But you, brothers, are not in the darkness...
(So he's making a comparison between two camps: those who ARE in darkness and those who ARE NOT in darkness)
..so that this day should overtake you like a thief. For you are all sons of the light and sons of the day; we do not belong
to the night or to the darkness. So then, let us not sleep as the others do, but let us remain awake and sober."
We are NOT like those who live in darkness. Therefore, the Day of His return will not overtake us like a thief.
Conclusion: we do not presently know the day but WE WILL KNOW THE DAY. No one will know in enough time to
write a book about it or to get rich off of it, but those who remain sober and awake, in the Lord, will not be surprised.
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It's the Father who places in His hand and it is the Father who gives Jesus the power and authority to do what He does. Alpha means the first. To be first, there has to be others in the running. It can't be the Almighty God because there is only one God Almighty and He always was, is, and will be.
Isaiah 43: 10 ... before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. This verse is spoken by Christ because the Father has no beginning but apparently, the God (Christ) in Isaiah 43: 10 had a time that existed before Him which means that He didn't always exist in the past. Actually, the beginning started when Christ was formed out of the Father's essence. Alpha and Omega means the first and the last. The Father is the one God of all including Christ. Christ is the one God of all creation.
Isaiah 43: 10 ... before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. This verse is spoken by Christ because the Father has no beginning but apparently, the God (Christ) in Isaiah 43: 10 had a time that existed before Him which means that He didn't always exist in the past. Actually, the beginning started when Christ was formed out of the Father's essence. Alpha and Omega means the first and the last. The Father is the one God of all including Christ. Christ is the one God of all creation.