What do you mean that you "have taken little other personal responsibility"? The whole Christian life, during which God calls us to take responsibility, involves overcoming the old-nature qualities in our lives with the new ones God wants us to develop. See Colossians 3 (verse 1 bases our Christian progress on Jesus' resurrection that causes our new birth). But our progress is to God's credit, since he gives us the power through Jesus' death and resurrection.
Faith alone, faith plus works? Something is missing in this discussion
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Romans 6:
6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
You see water where there is no water
I was baptized (immersed, placed into) Christ Jesus and his death
Only God can do this
I am not arminian, And I am not calvin. and I do not believe I have a part.
I was saved By Grace period.
I am sorry saying we should stop looking at people from what a particular doctrine or church teaches so we can see what they really believe is useless..
I'm sorry you don't care enough about doctrine. I guess 43K denominations isn't enough. Everyone wants to be a doctrinal island to themselves these days.
I'd like to know to since God doesn't talk to anyone except thru his written word.
Your correct EG.
Water baptism is a symbolic act that a believer undergoes.
1 Corinthians 1:17
For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made of no effect.
I do care about doctrine
I also care about the many people in this chat room and others being misrepresented or slandered because people try to classify them as things they are not. Because of somethign that we were taught.
again, if everyone is either a calvinist or an arminian to you. You will never understand what I believe, and if you try to categorize everyone who disagrees with you an arminian. You will most likely never understand what they really believe either. Because you have formed it in your mind that you already know..
Its not just calvinists who do this, many people do this.. and we must stop it if we are going to learn what the other person is really saying
I truly believe this will stop many of the fights in here
But read a bit further in 1 Cor to chapter 3 to understand Paul's statement you quoted from one.
Paul was the great orator, preacher, and convincer. Paul preached, Apollos baptized, and God gave the increase.
1 Cor 3:6
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase
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... you're smart
you are more likely get run over by a car if you jump up and run to a street corner
erk these new translations " as many as received Him to them gave He power to become the sons of God"
they slip that "have" in there [subtle as snakes are they] because it gives the distinct idea that the receiving was something they did, of their own freewill, their choosing. YOU read it that way and so would anybody. And they say "gave the right" and once again it creates the perception of something they have the right to "should they choose"
You will say it is pernikity something we free gracers have to put up with. But it is all the difference between God doing a work in us and us doing it. God is gracious, His grace is overflowingly abundant, I'm not saying at all that nobody gets saved through such skewed preaching. Folks get saved.
But they start off with God on the wrang foot. Always believing that THEY must do something in order for God to work.
Rather than use common labels, let me put it this way. Everyone is in one of these three groups as far as contribution to Salvation:
1. Solely God.
2. Part God, part me.
3. Solely me.
Perhaps that is sufficient to remove the "misrepresentation", labeling, and "slandering."
Not really. Baptism is transliterated not translated from the Greek word baptizo which means to dip, plunge, immerse. Pour and sprinkle arre different words with different meanings and are not interchangeable with baptizo. So, if you had water poured on you or sprinkled on you, you weren't baptized, and if not baptized you're not saved.Pouring and sprinkling works too
Chapter 7. Concerning Baptism
And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19 in living water. But if you have not living water, baptize into other water; and if you can not in cold, in warm. But if you have not either, pour out water thrice upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whatever others can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before.
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0714.htm