Ukraine the bad guy?

[BearerOfTheMorningStar]

it's so difficult to reason with you and your finding an excuse for homicide , to suit your needs

And you can't favour Jewish slaves being beating by Jewish masters over Egyptian masters.

God allowed beating of slaves.

If You claim God rescued Moses because he killed then your only adding assertions.

He could have saved him for seeing strength else where.

It's not murder in God's eyes, Moses was defending a member of his own race. Moses only flub in the entire Bible is when the people provoke him to anger being thankless fools and he forgets to sanctify God's name when God gives them water drink from the rock in the Wilderness much further on in the Exodus journey, and for that Moses was punished that he would never set foot in the Promised Land. Though Moses wasn't an evl man, at all, and our gracious God still let his eyes behold it before he died and Joshua led the children of Israel into their promise, PRAISE JESUS!

 

[gb9]

it's so difficult to reason with you and your finding an excuse for homicide , to suit your needs

And you can't favour Jewish slaves being beating by Jewish masters over Egyptian masters.

God allowed beating of slaves.

If You claim God rescued Moses because he killed then your only adding assertions.

He could have saved him for seeing strength else where.

friendly hint- shake the dust off and move on.

 

[Fundaamental]

It's not murder in God's eyes, Moses was defending a member of his own race. Moses only flub in the entire Bible is when the people provoke him to anger being thankless fools and he forgets to sanctify God's name when God gives them water drink from the rock in the Wilderness much further on in the Exodus journey, and for that Moses was punished that he would never set foot in the Promised Land. Though Moses wasn't an evl man, at all, and our gracious God still let his eyes behold it before he died and Joshua led the children of Israel into their promise, PRAISE JESUS!

the bible gateway has it down as murder look for yourself

Your just being the odd one out here

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus 2:11-15&version=GW

Look Exodus 2:11-15
GOD’S WORD Translation

Moses Commits Murder and Flees to Midian

11 In the course of time Moses grew up. Then he went to ⌞see⌟ his own people and watched them suffering under forced labor. He saw a Hebrew, one of his own people, being beaten by an Egyptian. 12 He looked all around, and when he didn’t see anyone, he beat the Egyptian to death and hid the body in the sand.

 

[BearerOfTheMorningStar]

the bible gateway has it down as murder look for yourself

Your just being the odd one out here

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus 2:11-15&version=GW

Look Exodus 2:11-15
GOD’S WORD Translation

Moses Commits Murder and Flees to Midian

11 In the course of time Moses grew up. Then he went to ⌞see⌟ his own people and watched them suffering under forced labor. He saw a Hebrew, one of his own people, being beaten by an Egyptian. 12 He looked all around, and when he didn’t see anyone, he beat the Egyptian to death and hid the body in the sand.

Then they're simply wrong to artificially add that into the Bible to blaspheme Moses and Saint Stephen is right about both Moses and them them in his beautiful speeches.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts 7&version=KJV

Acts 7:17-29

17 But when the time of the promise drew nigh, which God had sworn to Abraham, the people grew and multiplied in Egypt,

18 Till another king arose, which knew not Joseph.

19 The same dealt subtilly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live.

20 In which time Moses was born, and was exceeding fair, and nourished up in his father's house three months:

21 And when he was cast out, Pharaoh's daughter took him up, and nourished him for her own son.

22 And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds.

23 And when he was full forty years old, it came into his heart to visit his brethren the children of Israel.

24 And seeing one of them suffer wrong, he defended him, and avenged him that was oppressed, and smote the Egyptian:

25 For he supposed his brethren would have understood how that God by his hand would deliver them: but they understood not.

26 And the next day he shewed himself unto them as they strove, and would have set them at one again, saying, Sirs, ye are brethren; why do ye wrong one to another?

27 But he that did his neighbour wrong thrust him away, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge over us?

28 Wilt thou kill me, as thou diddest the Egyptian yesterday?

29 Then fled Moses at this saying, and was a stranger in the land of Madian, where he begat two sons.

 

[Fundaamental]

Then they're simply wrong to artificially add that into the Bible to blaspheme Moses and Saint Stephen is right about both Moses and them them in his beautiful speeches.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts 7&version=KJV

Acts 7:17-29

17 But when the time of the promise drew nigh, which God had sworn to Abraham, the people grew and multiplied in Egypt,

18 Till another king arose, which knew not Joseph.

19 The same dealt subtilly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live.

20 In which time Moses was born, and was exceeding fair, and nourished up in his father's house three months:

21 And when he was cast out, Pharaoh's daughter took him up, and nourished him for her own son.

22 And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds.

23 And when he was full forty years old, it came into his heart to visit his brethren the children of Israel.

24 And seeing one of them suffer wrong, he defended him, and avenged him that was oppressed, and smote the Egyptian:

25 For he supposed his brethren would have understood how that God by his hand would deliver them: but they understood not.

26 And the next day he shewed himself unto them as they strove, and would have set them at one again, saying, Sirs, ye are brethren; why do ye wrong one to another?

27 But he that did his neighbour wrong thrust him away, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge over us?

28 Wilt thou kill me, as thou diddest the Egyptian yesterday?

29 Then fled Moses at this saying, and was a stranger in the land of Madian, where he begat two sons.

oh I see your seeing avenging as justification.

But not seeing most acts of murder are committed with avenging in mind.

The very fact that he hid him in the sand and ran away makes it murder.

Who is to say When he ran away he called out to God to forgive him and so God did ?

 

[BearerOfTheMorningStar]

oh I see your seeing avenging as justification.

But not seeing most acts of murder are committed with avenging in mind.

The very fact that he hid him in the sand and ran away makes it murder.

Who is say When he ran away he called out to God to forgive him and so God did ?

It's still not murder because murder is to kill the innocent or someone that doesn't deserve it. The Wicked Egyptian deserved it, the fact Moses was defending and avenging his own brethren shows Moses full of love and God's good judgement, and it shows really looking at how the Israelites treat him after this episode and afterwards chiding with Moses and even God himself in the desert that really they were so far gone from God in their slavery that really Moses was the only one that was faithful enough to God to lead them, God picked the right leader, he always does, PRAISE JESUS!

 

[BearerOfTheMorningStar]

Let's use an analogy to railroad back into the actual topic and my apologies for the digression.

Say a man comes into another man's house and shoots his son. The invader is a murderer. Now say the good man of the house shoots the invader. The good man of the house is not a murderer but defending the rest of his family and fighting to oust the invader that murdered his son, he is innocent and furthermore, a hero when he defeats the invader. When you understand this you will know Ukraine are the good guys and Wicked Russia is certainly doomed, PRAISE JESUS!

 

[HeIsHere]

Let's use an analogy to railroad back into the actual topic and my apologies for the digression.

Say a man comes into another man's house and shoots his son. The invader is a murderer. Now say the good man of the house shoots the invader. The good man of the house is not a murderer but defending the rest of his family and fighting to oust the invader that murdered his son, he is innocent and furthermore, a hero when he defeats the invader. When you understand this you will know Ukraine are the good guys and Wicked Russia is certainly doomed, PRAISE JESUS!

Except for there is no "good man of the house" in this case.

 

[Fundaamental]

According

It's still not murder because murder is to kill the innocent or someone that doesn't deserve it. The Wicked Egyptian deserved it, the fact Moses was defending and avenging his own brethren shows Moses full of love and God's good judgement, and it shows really looking at how the Israelites treat him after this episode and afterwards chiding with Moses and even God himself in the desert that really they were so far gone from God in their slavery that really Moses was the only one that was faithful enough to God to lead them, God picked the right leader, he always does, PRAISE JESUS!

again your justifying murder.

It's not planned murder which makes it less serious but still as such it's classed as a type of unlawful killing.

And Moses was forgiven for it.

There also many other sins Gof forgave his people for worthy of death.

What would you say to David being forgiven of adultery, would you say that was justified David committing adultery.

 

[Fundaamental]

Let's use an analogy to railroad back into the actual topic and my apologies for the digression.

Say a man comes into another man's house and shoots his son. The invader is a murderer. Now say the good man of the house shoots the invader. The good man of the house is not a murderer but defending the rest of his family and fighting to oust the invader that murdered his son, he is innocent and furthermore, a hero when he defeats the invader. When you understand this you will know Ukraine are the good guys and Wicked Russia is certainly doomed, PRAISE JESUS!

If you kill an unarmed burglar robbing your house in the uk with a weapon it's still classed as unlawful killing

 

[BearerOfTheMorningStar]

If you kill an unarmed burglar robbing your house in the uk it's still classed as unlawful killing

Sigh..... yea, I believe you.

 

[BearerOfTheMorningStar]

Except for there is no "good man of the house" in this case.

You're wrong the good man of the house is the patriarch the rightful owner. Wicked Russia invaded Ukraine's house not the other way around, and Wicked Russia has murdered Ukraine's children, and Wicked Russia spews out Satan lies for it all. May God break Wicked's Russia' defiant arm, PRAISE JESUS!

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=psalm+10&version=KJV

Psalm 10


1 Why standest thou afar off, O Lord? why hidest thou thyself in times of trouble?

2 The wicked in his pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined.

3 For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the Lord abhorreth.

4 The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.

5 His ways are always grievous; thy judgments are far above out of his sight: as for all his enemies, he puffeth at them.

6 He hath said in his heart, I shall not be moved: for I shall never be in adversity.

7 His mouth is full of cursing and deceit and fraud: under his tongue is mischief and vanity.

8 He sitteth in the lurking places of the villages: in the secret places doth he murder the innocent: his eyes are privily set against the poor.

9 He lieth in wait secretly as a lion in his den: he lieth in wait to catch the poor: he doth catch the poor, when he draweth him into his net.

10 He croucheth, and humbleth himself, that the poor may fall by his strong ones.

11 He hath said in his heart, God hath forgotten: he hideth his face; he will never see it.

12 Arise, O Lord; O God, lift up thine hand: forget not the humble.

13 Wherefore doth the wicked contemn God? he hath said in his heart, Thou wilt not require it.

14 Thou hast seen it; for thou beholdest mischief and spite, to requite it with thy hand: the poor committeth himself unto thee; thou art the helper of the fatherless.

15 Break thou the arm of the wicked and the evil man: seek out his wickedness till thou find none.

16 The Lord is King for ever and ever: the heathen are perished out of his land.

17 Lord, thou hast heard the desire of the humble: thou wilt prepare their heart, thou wilt cause thine ear to hear:

18 To judge the fatherless and the oppressed, that the man of the earth may no more oppress.

 

[Fundaamental]

Sigh..... yea, I believe you.

you can kill a person in self defense but it has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, do you remember the case of black life's matter in America where that black guy got killed by the police

The law is there to protect anyone who gets killed

 

[BearerOfTheMorningStar]

you can kill a person in self defense but it has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, do you remember the case of black life's matter in America where that black guy got killed by the police

The law is there to protect anyone who gets killed

Well that's their lawlessness, and they'll eat the curses for departing from the right way, frankly looking at London full of foreign hordes, looks like they already are! But that doesn't change the way God sees it.

 

[Fundaamental]

Well that's their lawlessness, and they'll eat the curses for departing from the right way, but that doesn't change the way God sees it.

well no Its based on all sin's can be forgiven and punishent on earth.

A Russian soldier killing a Ukrainian could be classed as murder but still that soldier could be punished on earth and forgiven.

 

[BearerOfTheMorningStar]

well no Its based on all sin's can be forgiven and punishent on earth.

A Russian soldier killing a Ukrainian could be classed as murder but still that soldier could be punished on earth and forgiven.

Nope because Wicked Russia started the war for a lie and Putin turned his regime against God openly and also with his corrupt priest Kirill perverted the Church and God's name with a lie from Satan. Anyone who dies as a possession of Wicked Russia goes to hell. Therefore any Russian person who loves Jesus and fears God must flee or rise up in Holy Revolution to fight against the Wicked Russian principality because anyone that is a Wicked Russian possession is directly serving Satan himself and therefore is aleady excommunicated by God himself, PRAISE JESUS!

 

[Fundaamental]

Nope because Wicked Russia started the war for a lie and Putin turned his regime against God openly and also with his corrupt priest Kirill perverted the Church and God's name with a lie from Satan. Anyone who dies as a possession of Wicked Russia goes to hell. Therefore any Russian person who loves Jesus and fears God must flee or rise up in Holy Revolution to fight against the Wicked Russian principality because anyone that is a Wicked Russian possession is directly serving Satan himself and therefore is aleady excommunicated by God himself, PRAISE JESUS!

your the only person in this whole forum quoting all russian soldiers will go to hell.

What makes you so different to every person here

You may as well be saying every other person here knows nothing.

Is scripture alone giving you this message or God himself directly.

 

[BearerOfTheMorningStar]

your the only person in this whole forum quoting all russian soldiers will go to hell.

What makes you so different to every person here

You may as well be saying every other person here knows nothing.

Is scripture alone giving you this message or God himself directly.

I have not said any of this, but this is what you say. Lol how revealing. Though I would think by now you know what I say recurringly;
PRAISE JESUS

 

[Fundaamental]

Bad news for Satan's servants the liars of Wicked Russia and the sycophantic defenders of the liars, those wicked ones who try to even lie against God. They will all be destroyed those deceived sinners, PRAISE JESUS!


2 Thessalonians 2:8-12


8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

are you sure you've not said all russian soldiers are going to hell here ?

 

[BearerOfTheMorningStar]

are you sure you've not said all russian soldiers are going to hell here ?

Highlight it or underline it. Though I will say right here unequivocally all possessed by Wicked Russia, from their bottommost commoners to their soldiers to their boyars to Putin himself are doomed and will certainly fall and also go to hell because they serve Satan. Only way for Russian to not be excommunicated is to flee or else fight Wicked Russia and join the growing Holy Russian Revolution., PRAISE JESUS!