In a manner of speaking. There is no question that God's hand was over this translation from the very beginning.
The Importance of How to Interpret a Biblical Text
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Listen, I know all about the KJV and the KJV only positions; you can't tell me anything I don't already know. I actually have a lot of respect for the KJV. What I don't respect is people who preach that it's perfect and the only Bible anyone needs. That kind of thinking is cult-like and demonstrates a fair amount of ignorance itself. I'd be will to wager that you and other KJV onlyists refer to other translations when you can't can't make sense of something the KJV says; but I'm sure you'll deny it.
People see what they want to see. I saw the sarcasm (and appreciate it) because I know the prevalence of that belief among KJV-only proponents.
That anyone considers the KJV "reinspired" is testimony to their own misunderstanding of inspiration.
Your comments here unfortunately demonstrate a further flaw in word studies: doing too little research in the destination language.
"Dynamite" is indeed related to "dýnamis", but only secondarily. "Dynamite" did not exist until Alfred Nobel's invention of the explosive substance. The word directly related to "dýnamis" is dynamic, which itself is the root for "dynamite" and which means "(of a process, relationship or system) always changing and making progress" or "(of a force or power) producing movement"*, not "explosive". We have come to use "dynamic" to mean "powerful" but it doesn't directly mean "explosive".
Preachers and writers have incorrectly seized on "dynamite" because of the substance's sensational effects and the shock value of the comparison... in other words, "it preaches well". Sadly though, that leads people to an incorrect conclusion and confusion about the meaning of the text, as you have noted.
*both definitions from https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/dynamic.
I do not worry about it for I believe the Bible is easy to understand.
Even people of the world without the Spirit can learn some things, and even they get it right over some people that claim Christianity.
I do not understand why people make it complicated.
But I think if you read through the Bible it comes together more.
But Denominations usually win in interpretation of scriptures as the Church goers go by what they say as a blueprint, and that is what they see when reading scriptures.
But I do not go by what denominations say but go by the Spirit, and I will not honor a preacher so much that I adhere to all he says.
Which some people may be afraid as the denomination seems like it is the truth so they do not want to go against it.
It also helps to not have any beliefs or ways that are not part of the Bible so you want to hear it that way.
The Bible says something plainly and people go against it which obviously it is denomination interpreting it wrongly because without them the people would take it as it is and have it right.
It kind of makes me wonder are these denominations that are not that old actually a set up to cause division among Christianity as a plan to cause people to not want to embrace Christianity.
I know the left wing cannot establish their agenda as long as Christianity is in place so they will try to knock it down, and make it look bad.
That is why they affect the children with the LGBTQ community, and transgender, for population reduction, to cause them to be accepting of the Woke movement, and to pervert them so they will care nothing about Christianity, and the concept of a God.
The Democrats are using the Woke movement to go against the Republicans and make them all out to be toxic and bad, so they can cause as many people as possible to shun the Republican party, and make the Woke movement the major influence in society as we can see the big corporations becoming Woke, the Navy using a transgender man to try to influence the young people to join the Navy, affecting children, and a lot of the youth, young adults, will fall for it.
Which they say all white Republicans are racist, and all the men have toxic masculinity, and the Republicans Christianity is not tolerant of other people, and not inclusive by not accepting gay people, and abortions, and even include the fat people that say the people who take their health seriously, and like to exercise, and eat healthy, are arrogant, and think they are better.
That is what Planet Fitness is about with the no judgment zone, and lunk alert, as they are a gym that appears as if they do not want you to be all you can be, and will even cry about you having a gallon jug of water with the attitude who do you think you are some macho person, and do not like you to deadlift a lot of weight as you might offend the other people that are not as good, catering to people who work out a little bit, but not too serious, and feeding them pizza, and donuts, which of course those people will say I work out as if to impress you.
They want BLM to riot, and loot, and burn buildings, and wreck cars, and go against the police, so the big cities are run down, and crime ridden, so they can show that the police force is not the best solution to fight crime as they try to establish United Nations Agenda 21 in the nation.
So are these new denominations actually a set up to cause division among people who claim Christianity so they can get people to shun Christianity.
The Democrats have to go against all that is good to establish their agenda.
Even people of the world without the Spirit can learn some things, and even they get it right over some people that claim Christianity.
I do not understand why people make it complicated.
But I think if you read through the Bible it comes together more.
But Denominations usually win in interpretation of scriptures as the Church goers go by what they say as a blueprint, and that is what they see when reading scriptures.
But I do not go by what denominations say but go by the Spirit, and I will not honor a preacher so much that I adhere to all he says.
Which some people may be afraid as the denomination seems like it is the truth so they do not want to go against it.
It also helps to not have any beliefs or ways that are not part of the Bible so you want to hear it that way.
The Bible says something plainly and people go against it which obviously it is denomination interpreting it wrongly because without them the people would take it as it is and have it right.
It kind of makes me wonder are these denominations that are not that old actually a set up to cause division among Christianity as a plan to cause people to not want to embrace Christianity.
I know the left wing cannot establish their agenda as long as Christianity is in place so they will try to knock it down, and make it look bad.
That is why they affect the children with the LGBTQ community, and transgender, for population reduction, to cause them to be accepting of the Woke movement, and to pervert them so they will care nothing about Christianity, and the concept of a God.
The Democrats are using the Woke movement to go against the Republicans and make them all out to be toxic and bad, so they can cause as many people as possible to shun the Republican party, and make the Woke movement the major influence in society as we can see the big corporations becoming Woke, the Navy using a transgender man to try to influence the young people to join the Navy, affecting children, and a lot of the youth, young adults, will fall for it.
Which they say all white Republicans are racist, and all the men have toxic masculinity, and the Republicans Christianity is not tolerant of other people, and not inclusive by not accepting gay people, and abortions, and even include the fat people that say the people who take their health seriously, and like to exercise, and eat healthy, are arrogant, and think they are better.
That is what Planet Fitness is about with the no judgment zone, and lunk alert, as they are a gym that appears as if they do not want you to be all you can be, and will even cry about you having a gallon jug of water with the attitude who do you think you are some macho person, and do not like you to deadlift a lot of weight as you might offend the other people that are not as good, catering to people who work out a little bit, but not too serious, and feeding them pizza, and donuts, which of course those people will say I work out as if to impress you.
They want BLM to riot, and loot, and burn buildings, and wreck cars, and go against the police, so the big cities are run down, and crime ridden, so they can show that the police force is not the best solution to fight crime as they try to establish United Nations Agenda 21 in the nation.
So are these new denominations actually a set up to cause division among people who claim Christianity so they can get people to shun Christianity.
The Democrats have to go against all that is good to establish their agenda.
Honestly we have grown to be lazy intellectuals in a faith that demands us to learn and teach. Jesus's disciples spent years living daily and learning from Christ. They would ask many questions to try and understand His teachings.
If we ask questions some say we are making things too complicated but honestly we hold other ancient historical books up to a higher standard than the Bible which is crazy to me.
Agree. Great simplification.
The Scriptures are shallow enough for a babe to come and drink without fear of drowning and deep enough for a theologians to swim in without ever touching the bottom" St. Jerome
Of course, the babe in Christ can understand the simplistic gospel message but to stay as a babe one can risk drowning as they venture out into deep theological waters. They need a proper hermeneutic foundation or they risk drowning in heresy.
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A lot of Christians are actually quite ignorant about the King James Bible (to their own detriment).[/QUOTE]
so why was the King James so opposed to the 1599 Geneva already in common use that he felt the need to make the KJV?. Whatever it was the puritans seemed to stick to the 1599 Geneva and it came along with them on the Mayflower. That’s the story I’ve seen against KJV. And as a red blooded American I’m suspicious of old King James intentions as obviously the puritans were as well.
King James Only July 6
https://www.wayoflife.org/database/king_james_only.html
A lot of Christians are actually quite ignorant about the King James Bible (to their own detriment).[/QUOTE]
so why was the King James so opposed to the 1599 Geneva already in common use that he felt the need to make the KJV?. Whatever it was the puritans seemed to stick to the 1599 Geneva and it came along with them on the Mayflower. That’s the story I’ve seen against KJV. And as a red blooded American I’m suspicious of old King James intentions as obviously the puritans were as well.
Actually it was the Puritans ("scrupulous brethren") who urged James I to commission a new translation.
THE HAMPTON COURT CONFERENCE
"for the very Historical truth is, that upon the importunate petitions of the Puritans, at his Majesty's coming to this Crown, the Conference at Hampton Court having been appointed for hearing their complaints: when by force of reason they were put from all other grounds, they had recourse at the last, to this shift, that they could not with good conscience subscribe to the Communion book, since it maintained the Bible as it was there translated, which was as they said, a most corrupted translation. And although this was judged to be but a very poor and empty shift; yet even hereupon did his Majesty begin to bethink himself of the good that might ensue by a new translation, and presently after gave order for this Translation which is now presented unto thee. Thus much to satisfy our scrupulous Brethren."
From The Translators to the Reader (Preface to the KJV 1611)
So in spite of the criticism leveled at the Puritans, King James realized that to keep the peace a new translation would be an excellent idea. And so it turned out to be. The Geneva Bible, on the other hand, was totally biased with Calvinism, and the Church of England was not going in that direction. Also the quality of the Geneva Bible cannot be compared to the excellency of the Authorized Version, thus it fell into disuse and is no longer a common translation.
What verses changed from the Geneva Bible when King James authorized his version?
King James wanted a Bible that was not hostile to Roman Catholics due to the Reformers stance against the Roman Catholic persecution and the commentary of the reformers who spoke out against tyranny didn't sit well with him either.
Either way, you had bias on each side.
The Puritans didn't like the KJV. They wanted a new translation because they were dissatisfied with the Book of Common prayer and the Bible which supported it, the Great Bible if I'm not mistaken. In any event, King James relented. But the Puritans were not happy with the end result. I think they grew to accept it over time, but it really wasn't what they had in mind.
And so, a thread about the importance of proper biblical interpretation methods has become a battleground over the KJV… again.
I’m so surprised.
Well, not really….
I’m so surprised.
Well, not really….
King James wasn't at all fond of the Puritans. He rejected every one of their proposals at the Hampton Court Conference. The only one he entertained was the idea of creating a new translation; and the only reason he did that was so he would have an authoritative alternative to the Geneva Bible.
Well to some the KJV is their only method of translation so to them every other way is in error.
A debate in a public forum is always expected because due to ignorance, pride, biases, and truth we will always see disagreement. All we can hope to do is lay out the facts from our current understanding and let the reader decide which side makes the best case for truth.
Really? Then how come we have a King James Bible? And how come several of those excellent translators were Puritans? Here are three.
Dr. Laurence Chadderton was for thirty-eight years Master of Emanuel College, Cambridge, and well versed in Rabbinical learning. He was one of the few Puritan divines among the translators. Born 1537; died 1640, at the advanced age of one hundred and three.
Dr. John Reynolds, who first suggested the work, was a man of great attainments in Hebrew and Greek. He died before the revision was completed, but worked at it during his last sickness as long as his strength permitted. Born 1549, died 1607.
Dr. Thomas Holland was Regius Professor of Divinity in Exeter College, Oxford, and also Master of his college. He was considered a prodigy in all branches of literature. Born 1539, died 1612.
Dude, you really need to learn to read, and quit misrepresenting what I wrote. As far as Puritans being on the translation team, they were seriously outnumbered by Anglican bishops. Your credibility is going lower by the day.
HAMPTON COURT CONFERENCE
"There were present on that occasion the leading divines, lawyers and laymen of the Church of England. Among them was Dr. John Reynolds, President of Corpus Christi College, Oxford. On the second day of the conference, this gentleman, in the course of discussion, suggested to the king, that a new version was exceedingly desirable, because of the many errors in the version then in use. That suggestion led to the action which, after some little delay, inaugurated measures for King James' version."
"There were present on that occasion the leading divines, lawyers and laymen of the Church of England. Among them was Dr. John Reynolds, President of Corpus Christi College, Oxford. On the second day of the conference, this gentleman, in the course of discussion, suggested to the king, that a new version was exceedingly desirable, because of the many errors in the version then in use. That suggestion led to the action which, after some little delay, inaugurated measures for King James' version."
Did I say they were a majority? But they were well-respected, and you should show then some respect.