Psalms 119:126 It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law.

[Grace911]

Do you not know that the scripture states we are a new creation in Christ? Why are you nailing Jesus to the cross again?

16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
II Corinthians 5

We are reconciled to God through the Lord Jesus Christ and no other. The law condemns. It has never saved one single person including Moses.

The law keeping & Jesus are not salvation.

How do you show your love for God and His Son? The way that He asks us to? Or the way you perceive New Testament traditions?

The number 1 problem I am seeing in these "arguments" is that the whole Bible is not truth anymore to Gentiles/Christians.

Because I share from both the Old and New, it is foreign to many Christians. The Old Testament has so much to learn from, and of course Satan hates truth being learned and practiced. Satan prefers to have Christians accusing anyone who knows what the LORD/YHWH asks of us, and us being obedient. Satan loves rebellion. Satan hates obedience.

When John the Baptist came and preached "REPENT", what was he talking about? The only definition of sin was the "laws" of the Old Testament.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Numbers 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

Numbers 15:29 Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.


Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Can you see that the two are made/reconciled to God? Both the house of Israel and the house of Judah are made to reunite.

Obviously, thisi is what Jesus/Yeshua came to do but Satan has blinded you foolish gentile christians making you believe that you are no part of the commonwealth of Israel.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Also see Hebrews 8:8 for same

Why is God/LORD/YHWH so angry that He is willing to put everything to the test here in the end days? Most Christians believe in a pre-tribulation of God's wrath. I don't. I do believe in the Greater Exodus, but just like the first Exodus, there will be many of the same plagues repeated. See Revelation for those coming plagues. The Israelites were in Goshen for the 7 plagues that do not touch them. What are the plagues we are now dealing with? Scorching heat, temperatures rising, fires, droughts, floods, mud slides, tarnadoes, hurricanes, typhoons, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tsunamis, bee extinction, sea life mysteriously dying, birds mysteriously dying, the covid plague. Note my NOTE in the signature. We will experience THE ABOMINATION THAT MAKES DESOLATION. This is our Lord and Saviour saying REPENT AND RETURN.


Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Malachi 3:7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

RETURN TO "ALL THAT THE LORD HAS SPOKEN...WE WILL DO". You now have the Holy Spirit as your HELPER AND COMFORTER. Pray that He will guide you into all truth.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Oh House of Israel, scattered throughout the whole earth, forgetting the LORD and His commandments, and becoming Gentiles/of the Nations. He will gather us and bring us Home to the land He promised Father Abraham, Father Isaac, and Father Jacob. There we will serve Him without the Satanic influence we are now dealing with.

Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Jeremiah 2:31 O generation, see ye the word of the LORD. Have I been a wilderness unto Israel? a land of darkness? wherefore say my people, We are lords; we will come no more unto thee?
32 Can a maid forget her ornaments, or a bride her attire? yet my people have forgotten me days without number.

My intentions are to stay here in Christianchat until the Internet goes out. So just bear with me a few more months or years.

 

[Grace911]

But how much do you love your Savior who died for you?

Salvation is not about performance. Don't you have that new heart Christians are supposed to get? That is what will keep you from disappointing Jesus.

First, why did Jesus/Yeshua die for me and you and the whole world?

The following is my post in this thread.

Monday at 10:51 AM
#19

#1) Bible Principles - if you do not believe Moses and the prophets - you will not understand or believe Yeshua/Jesus.

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he (Yeshua/Jesus) expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.​

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. ​

#2) Bible Principles - John 10:30 I and my Father are one. ​

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Jer_3:23 Truly in vain is salvation hoped for from the hills, and from the multitude of mountains: truly in the LORD our God is the salvation of Israel.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD/YHWH our God is one LORD:​

6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. ​

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John 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. ​

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1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.​

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.​

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Jonah 2:9 Salvation H3444/Yeshua is of the LORD/YHWH. H3068​

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Isaiah 52:10 The LORD/YHWHH3068 hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations;/Gentiles H1471 and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation/Yehsua H3444 of our God.​

​

Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?​

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. ​

Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.​

Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.​

Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.​

#3) Bible Principles - The New Covenant is for the House of Israel and the House of Judah and for any Gentiles who join with the commonwealth of Israel. (Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8)

#4) Bible Principles - The LORD changes not and Yeshua/Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.

#5) Bible Principles - You cannot add or diminish from the Torah.

This is a commandment that Yeshua pointed to those who keep their man-made traditions (paradosis=666) and make void the Word. of God Christians cling to a man-made tradition "the law is done away with and we don't have to read it, know it, or cling to that - we are lawless and no not we are condemned"

1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
These five Bible Principles are not my man-made idea, but is straight from the Bible, both Tanak and New Testament. If you read a verse and take it to mean something that contradicts these FIVE PRINCIPLES i've outlined here - then you need to keep studying and quit pointing to those who do understand and walk in these Principles.

Psalns 119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

Proverbs 6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


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[Grace911]

Ok, about your answer no 2.
Acts 15 Is not only an discussion about circumcision. In Acts 15 is clear said, that Christians (gentiles background) have not to hold the law as a jew has to. Except the points are listet in Acts 15.
But you mentioned only the circumcision thing.
So you also gave no answer you agree with what I wrote or not.

Why don't you just share what it is you are wanting us to see?

 

[ResidentAlien]

My intentions are to stay here in Christianchat until the Internet goes out. So just bear with me a few more months or years.

Was there any doubt. You've found a welcoming place that allows you to preach false doctrine all day long. Why wouldn't you stay?

 

[Niki7]

How do you show your love for God and His Son? The way that He asks us to? Or the way you perceive New Testament traditions?

We follow Christ out of a new heart...not by doing deeds or what we think are acts of righteousness. There is no program such as you are suggesting that pleases God.

He is pleased and knows we love Him when we are accepting of what He offers freely without adding to it or thinking we have some lack to make up.

Listen...God knows those who love Him and are His. Your question is out of place because you are looking for PERFORMANCE

 

[Niki7]

The number 1 problem I am seeing in these "arguments" is that the whole Bible is not truth anymore to Gentiles/Christians.

Baloney. That is your interpretation because you are stuck on law-keeping.

I know the OT very well and I know that the law is completed in Jesus.

 

[Niki7]

First, why did Jesus/Yeshua die for me and you and the whole world?

The following is my post in this thread.

Monday at 10:51 AM
#19

#1) Bible Principles - if you do not believe Moses and the prophets - you will not understand or believe Yeshua/Jesus.​

​

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he (Yeshua/Jesus) expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.​

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. ​

​

#2) Bible Principles - John 10:30 I and my Father are one. ​

​

Jer_3:23 Truly in vain is salvation hoped for from the hills, and from the multitude of mountains: truly in the LORD our God is the salvation of Israel.​

​

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD/YHWH our God is one LORD:​

6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. ​

​

John 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. ​

​

1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.​

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.​

​

Jonah 2:9 Salvation H3444/Yeshua is of the LORD/YHWH. H3068​

​

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD/YHWHH3068 hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations;/Gentiles H1471 and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation/Yehsua H3444 of our God.​

​

Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?​

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. ​

Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.​

Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.​

Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.​

​

#3) Bible Principles - The New Covenant is for the House of Israel and the House of Judah and for any Gentiles who join with the commonwealth of Israel. (Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8)​

​

#4) Bible Principles - The LORD changes not and Yeshua/Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.​

​

#5) Bible Principles - You cannot add or diminish from the Torah.​

​

This is a commandment that Yeshua pointed to those who keep their man-made traditions (paradosis=666) and make void the Word. of God Christians cling to a man-made tradition "the law is done away with and we don't have to read it, know it, or cling to that - we are lawless and no not we are condemned"​

​

1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,​

These five Bible Principles are not my man-made idea, but is straight from the Bible, both Tanak and New Testament. If you read a verse and take it to mean something that contradicts these FIVE PRINCIPLES i've outlined here - then you need to keep studying and quit pointing to those who do understand and walk in these Principles.​

​

Psalns 119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.​

​

Proverbs 6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:​

​

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, ​

and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:​

​

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That's a very long non-answer to the question I asked you.

Again, your reference is to the law and it seems you just can't accept that Christ fulfilled ALL of the law and without the Holy Spirit indwelling us, all our works are as filthy rags.

 

[wolfwint]

Why don't you just share what it is you are wanting us to see?

Why you just ignoring what I write and coming instead with distracting questions?

 

[Ted01]

Why you just ignoring what I write and coming instead with distracting questions?

That's the way of a taskmaster who's trying to put the yoke of the Law on people... they don't discuss, they mandate.

 

[Grace911]

That's a very long non-answer to the question I asked you.

Again, your reference is to the law and it seems you just can't accept that Christ fulfilled ALL of the law and without the Holy Spirit indwelling us, all our works are as filthy rags.

Maybe I’m not understanding what you’re asking. I would never ignore or purposely babble in answer to any sincere question.

My entire belief is based on the kingdom to come. The LORD is Yeshua. He came in the flesh so that He as the first husband could FULFILL THE LAW OF DIVORCE AND REMARRIAGE. SEE DEUTERONOMY 24:1-4. And ROMANS 7:1-4.

That is GRACE we did nothing to deserve it. The lost sheep of the House of Israel went into captivity and scattered throughout the whole world. The LORD divorced the house of Israel. See Jeremiah 3, 30 and 31. But He says RETURN TO ME.

THE way back to our marriage covenant was with the shed blood of Yeshua who is God with us in the flesh and the renewed covenant.

I see people objecting to renewed. The moon is new each month but it is still the same moon created on the 4th day of creation. Same principle applies to the Mt Sinai covenant on Shavuot 3979 BC. In 31 CE on Shavuot the Holy Spirit was given in order to aid us. A comforter and helper for all who desire to enter the renewed covenant. That also is GRACE WE DID NOTHING TO DESERVE.

HAVE YOU RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT SINCE YOU BELIEVED? I have.

 

[Grace911]

Acts 19:2-6 KJV
he said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Maybe I’m not understanding what you’re asking. I would never ignore or purposely babble in answer to any sincere question.

My entire belief is based on the kingdom to come. The LORD is Yeshua. He came in the flesh so that He as the first husband could FULFILL THE LAW OF DIVORCE AND REMARRIAGE. SEE DEUTERONOMY 24:1-4. And ROMANS 7:1-4.

That is GRACE we did nothing to deserve it. The lost sheep of the House of Israel went into captivity and scattered throughout the whole world. The LORD divorced the house of Israel. See Jeremiah 3, 30 and 31. But He says RETURN TO ME.

THE way back to our marriage covenant was with the shed blood of Yeshua who is God with us in the flesh and the renewed covenant.

I see people objecting to renewed. The moon is new each month but it is still the same moon created on the 4th day of creation. Same principle applies to the Mt Sinai covenant on Shavuot 3979 BC. In 31 CE on Shavuot the Holy Spirit was given in order to aid us. A comforter and helper for all who desire to enter the renewed covenant. That also is GRACE WE DID NOTHING TO DESERVE.

HAVE YOU RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT SINCE YOU BELIEVED? I have.

You're way off course. You need to start from scratch.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Do you question your role or are you just waiting to be taken up?

I read online and hear in person many people say, I wished God would use me.
I was offline basically last week because God used me to do something that required me to be away and busy so i could not be online.
Clearly, if that's not happening to some or many, and i read they are waiting for God, i wonder, what are they actually waiting for.
Because it's obvious they've been online for hours per time, some all day, and THEY are the ONES tearing down OTHERS who claim they're doing something for God.

Time is too short!
Jesus did say, NOT EVERYONE who calls out LORD LORD will be Saved!
i think if we all died this second, it's obvious who falls under "NOT EVERYONE who calls out LORD LORD will be Saved!"

 

[Grace911]

You're way off course. You need to start from scratch.

I love you, too. I particularly like your dry sense of humour. Please don't ever stop. It's so cute.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I love you, too. I particularly like your dry sense of humour. Please don't ever stop. It's so cute.

Thank you for proving my point.

 

[wolfwint]

That's the way of a taskmaster who's trying to put the yoke of the Law on people... they don't discuss, they mandate.

Sad

 

[Grace911]

Thank you for proving my point.

1ohJn 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

 

[Ted01]

While I do believe that God divorced Israel due to adultery...I have never heard that the reason Christ came in the flesh, suffered and died, and rose again... was so that He could remarry Israel, whom He divorced.

I was always taught that He died for the sins of the world, so that for those who'd believe that He was the propitiation for us (and did what we could not), we would be restored to God and have Peace and Life Eternal.

I think that this "remarriage religion" is from a very vivid imagination and totally unscriptural.

 

[Grace911]

While I do believe that God divorced Israel due to adultery...I have never heard that the reason Christ came in the flesh, suffered and died, and rose again... was so that He could remarry Israel, whom He divorced.

I was always taught that He died for the sins of the world, so that for those who'd believe that He was the propitiation for us (and did what we could not), we would be restored to God and have Peace and Life Eternal.

I think that this "remarriage religion" is from a very vivid imagination and totally unscriptural.

Yeshua/Jesus did die for the whole world. Do you believe that Yeshua/Jesus is the LORD/YHWH? How did God/YHWH impregnate Mary who had never known seed?

Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Mal_3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Obadiah 1:17 But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.

If you have a search tool, (I use e-sword) or blue letter bible, search the phrase "sons of Jacob" and House of Jacob".


John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. There is lots more to this story if you search out the scriptures. But the point I wish to make is they are scatted in the whole world. Intermingled with every race and nation.

When the House of Israel/ten tribers were taken into captivity by Assyrian, they later began to migrate from there. They were taken into captivity reportedly around 722/721 BC. Plus our present date of 2023 years = 2744 years. That is a long time for the house of Israel to be scattered throughout the whole world. Not only was Jesus/Yeshua death for the House of Israel, but we read in the first covenant that there is ONE LAW FOR ALL. That included any foreigner or alien who joined themselves with Israel, which at that time there was no division of two houses. The two house understanding is essential for God to bring them back together and we will all be in ONE KINGDOM. I know the scriptures tell us about Rahab and she joined Israel and about Ruth and she joined Israel. Ruth was also the great grandmother of Yeshua/Jesus. Ruth married the kinsman redeemer, which is the perfect picture of who Yeshua/Jesus is. He is the Father's kinsman REDEEMER.

The teaching that the "church" is separate from Israel is confusion at best, and meant to deceive at worst.
The teaching of hyper-grace is also satan's deception working its finest.

Remember, Satan decieves THE WHOLE WORLD.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

God has merely placed Israel on hold. He will open their EYES through the Antichrist, when he's revealed for whom he is, then Israel, will cry out to God and Yeshua.

If there was a Divorce, then Replacement Theology would be gospel. Rather though, it's simply gossip and garbage. No One has replaced the Jews. God, is still openly inviting the Jews today, we see them as Messianic Jews, they are the same as us, who believe that Yeshua is our Redeemer and Messiah!

The Jews are just being partially blinded.
Every Jew alive is well aware WHO Yeshua is.
God, makes sure they know WHO Yeshua is.
They just cannot fully, as an entire Group, see this completely as SOME, like the Messianic Jews, who have SEEN and do see with 100% clarity.

So yeah, nothing you say jives.