Saved by faith alone?
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It's been my experience when discussing things Biblical, that some people, when they see their position argued well, they can get frustrated and just exclaim, "It's all plain writing! The Bible says it, and I believe it!" (Or something to that effect). It's as though they're challenging others to call God a liar... it's all rather sophomoric, but I've been there too.
I thought that you did well when you last answered a post of mine... that effectively, you believe in a works-based Salvation because that's what you think the Scriptures teach... I have no argument for that.
I don't think that you, or most people, see me as a "teacher"... and I don't presume the role.
I thought that you did well when you last answered a post of mine... that effectively, you believe in a works-based Salvation because that's what you think the Scriptures teach... I have no argument for that.
I don't think that you, or most people, see me as a "teacher"... and I don't presume the role.
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Then we are not in agreement nor are your views supported by scripture. It also appears you're contradicting yourself and previous comment to which I thought I agreed with. I don't see how you can say what you previously said and now say this, that belief is all that's necessary, excluding obedient action. Think about it. Goodbye
Supplement to my other response. Read the conversion of Saul in Acts 9. Jesus spoke yo him and told him what more he had to do. He dud so, and wad baptized by Ananias. If when he heard Jesus and obviously believed, why did he yet have more to do? It's obvious. It's bring obedient and in this case, his obedience converted him. He wad baptized and added to the body of Christ.
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It's not my opinion 1st of all. When you consider ALL pertinent scriptures regarding salvation and combine all requirements, you end up with
1. Belief/faith
2. Confession of belief as did the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8 and consistent with Romans 10:9
3. Repentance (Acts 2,:38 as was told to the Jews on the day of Pentecost)
4. Baptism (also per Acts 2:38)
Doing so, your sins are remitted, you receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, and the Lord adds you to his body which is the church per Acts 2:47. You thus become a Christian and child of God.
1. Belief/faith
2. Confession of belief as did the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8 and consistent with Romans 10:9
3. Repentance (Acts 2,:38 as was told to the Jews on the day of Pentecost)
4. Baptism (also per Acts 2:38)
Doing so, your sins are remitted, you receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, and the Lord adds you to his body which is the church per Acts 2:47. You thus become a Christian and child of God.
I've read them. We just disagree. You believe obedience is necessary for or as a cause of salvation. I believe it is an outcome of true salvation. That's what you find in Ephesians 2:8-10. It says we are saved by grace through faith. Then it clearly states not by works. Then it says we were saved for works. That's why I believe as I do.
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