Does the Bible support the idea of a spinning ball earth flying through space, or is that a Satanic, Masonic lie?

[tourist]

I had to red x this, because what you have said here was so very very far from my experience... I have had
Gary on ignore for a long time because of the nastiness of his response to an earnest question from me.
And it is not like we had been engaged in any back and forths on the matter before that, either. Nope.
Just out of the blue he hit me with a boat load of vitriol and many false accusations. Totally disrespectful.

Maybe I have not followed as many posts that would be necessary to make a determination. I am sorry if he has treated you harshly.

 

[GaryA]

In the FE world, the horizon would always be the 'nearest highest ground'. I would suggest you do some examination of a topographical map of your local area to determine what you should be able to see if the Earth were flat, and compare it to what you can see. Further, seeing across vast water bodies to the far shore should be a commonplace thing (with thousands if not millions of photos as evidence), not a rare occurrence captured with special equipment and difficult-to-replicate circumstances.

I suggest that you do not understand FE well enough. That first sentence is totally wrong. The second one is closer to being correct. And, I understand quite well the 'local' effects of terrain that "block" the [true] horizon. As for the third sentence - this is where you don't understand the true nature of 'perspective' and the fact that moisture, smog, etc. in the atmosphere can-and-does "modify" the appearance of the sun in varying ways according to the exact mix of all of these things between your eyes and the sun.

 

[GaryA]

I had to red x this, because what you have said here was so very very far from my experience... I have had Gary on ignore for a long time because of the nastiness of his response to an earnest question from me.
And it is not like we had been engaged in any back and forths on the matter before that, either. Nope.
Just out of the blue he hit me with a boat load of vitriol and many false accusations. Totally disrespectful.

Maybe I have not followed as many posts that would be necessary to make a determination. I am sorry if he has treated you harshly.

Keep in mind that she is referring to a one-time instance. (I read it that way.)

I do not believe that I have [ever] treated anyone on CC [too] 'harshly'. A lot of folks on here have a chip on their shoulder and [simply] "cannot handle it" when someone says something "disagreeable" to what they believe.

Please insist that she post a link (in this thread) to whatever she is talking about that she is accusing me of so that you and others may decide for yourselves what really happened.

I have nothing against Magenta. Whatever she has against me is no-doubt a product and reflection of her own attitudes and "thin skin" reactionary responses to whatever she finds to be 'disagreeable' to her belief system.

 

[GaryA]

Let me ask you a 'fundamental' question - just exactly why does a 'planet' appear as a bright spot?

And, don't give me the lame answer that it is a reflection of light. A 'reflection' that is as bright as a 'star'? (which gives off its own light)

If that were true, the 1,000,000 candlepower reflection of light from the moon would blind us all. Think about it.

Unless planets are big chrome balls, they cannot possibly reflect enough light such that they appear as a bright spot in the sky.

Come on, man. Think! Don't swallow the propaganda...

Yes, reflections can be as bright as stars. You are overlooking two facts: that light diminishes quickly in intensity over distance, and that it takes a very small amount of light to be visible against a dark background. A very distant light source (star) only delivers a small amount of light to the receptor (the eyes) while a nearby reflector, even a poor one, can deliver just as much or even far more light to the same receptor. Again, ignorance of basic physics undermines your hypothesis; "propaganda" has nothing to do with it.

Compared to a star, the moon is "huge" in size; however, it is not 'bright' like a star.

Far more light is seen from the moon than is seen from 'Venus' (for example); therefore, if 'Venus' is as bright as a star - then, 'Venus' is a star.

Take a look at the moon and 'Venus' against a dark background and tell me why 'Venus' - much much much much much further away than the moon - with its light diminishing quickly in intensity over distance - is much much much much much brighter than the moon...???

Besides, the Bible shows us in the 'grammar of the language' that 'planets' are stars. ('planets' = 'wondering stars')

Sooooo - try again...

Let me ask you a 'fundamental' question - just exactly why does a 'planet' appear as a bright spot?

And, don't give me the lame answer that it is a reflection of light. A 'reflection' that is as bright as a 'star'? (which gives off its own light)

If that were true, the 1,000,000 candlepower reflection of light from the moon would blind us all. Think about it.

Unless planets are big chrome balls, they cannot possibly reflect enough light such that they appear as a bright spot in the sky.

Come on, man. Think! Don't swallow the propaganda...

 

[GaryA]

From post #983:

Frames 204-214 of the upper-right GIF above at 1 frame/second:

 

[GaryA]

i think you still need to stop trying to change the subject, and explain this part:

Yes, please - explain why the sun has a 'football' shape as it recedes.

First, before it "met" the horizon, a reflection of it was shown on the horizon. (This is significant.)

Then, after "merging" with it, it began to disappear beyond the horizon. (This is significant.)

Then, after getting half-sun-beyond-horizon, the shape of it goes from solid-closed-half-circle to the 'football' shape. (This is VERY significant.)

Why did it not remain in the solid-closed-half-circle shape - with its "bottom edge" continually fully meeting/touching the horizon from the extreme left side all the way to the extreme right side - until it disappeared completely???

Is that not what you would expect from a sun being "hidden" behind a curvature/horizon?

Why is there "space" between the sun and the ocean if it is simply being "hidden" behind a curvature/horizon?

Why did the shape of it become like that of a football?

The correct-and-proper answers to these questions will show you what is really happening and illustrate what you are actually seeing.

 

[GaryA]

In the image(s) being discussed here, the actual horizon is above the far "edge" of the ocean water as it is seen in the image(s).

What is significant about this?

What does it tell you about the horizon?

 

[GaryA]

half of solar disc hidden behind horizon -- 10000% incompatible with flat earth

nope/false

atmospheric lensing at horizon -- 100000% ignored by flat earth

nope/false

flat earth predicts sun never observed less than 15 degrees above horizon; observation clearly refutes

nope/false

 

[GaryA]

DON'T TELL THEM THEIR FAIRYTALE ILLUSION IS JUST A GREEN SCREEN; YOU ARE SPOILING THE BLISS!

That's right - if they were to wake up from/out of the MATRIX, all 'bliss' would instantly be gone - never to return!

 

[GaryA]

you really do not know the difference between a star and planet.

Sure he does - one "wanders" and one does not...

my own telescope can see the sphere of other planets.
my telescope cannot lie!

Consider:

https://rumble.com/vyz227-the-telescope.-planets-stars.html

 

[GaryA]

I'm not sure. I don't know that scripture says, or that science indicates one way or another. I know that stars have reportedly been seen through the moon.

My guess is that the stars and sun are at a comparable distance. Gary might have a more precise answer.

At the very least, I will agree with 'comparable distance'; albeit, I am thinking that the stars are above/beyond the sun and moon - especially, if you can see a star on the other side of the moon... (Where does that put the star? Which is closer, the moon or the star?)

 

[GaryA]

Agreed and Amen!

most key thing you said: Everything moves so fast, but I wouldn't have guessed it from using just my eyes:

shows rotating. everything is rotating.

Yes - correct - sun, moon, and stars - all rotating high above the earth...

 

[GaryA]

earth is only a small fraction of our plannet.

If the earth moved we really would be in trouble
The theory of the earth doesn't move is based upon the whole plannet being earth.
And scripture saying the earth is fixed to its pillars and doesn't move


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As you can see the crust is the earth, The pillars are the mantle the outer core and the inner core.

The bible was saying the earths crust does not move.

But the bible doesnt say the earth pillars don't move.

And if you say you understand this, then your just disproving yourself

You are wrapping your "biblical" understanding around your belief and understanding of what is illustrated in the image.

Just more "excuses" to "disprove" the biblical account...

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Sure he does - one "wanders" and one does not...


Consider:

https://rumble.com/vyz227-the-telescope.-planets-stars.html

my glasses are concave so i don't go blind because a flat lens, like a flat earth, would be unable to divert and it would create blindness and i could not see.

the mirrors inside the telescope are designed and arranged so you don't go blind.

i realize the maker of the video probably would never consider such a thing.

 

[Dino246]

We both say the exact same thing - yet, I am wrong and you are right? What is that all about???

Um, no. I only disagreed with one particular part if your post. Because you assumed what I believe, I stated my belief clearly, recognizing that we agreed on much of what was said.

 

[posthuman]

nope/false


nope/false


nope/false

You're wrong, Gary.

Do the math.

I've done it for you in the past more than once. I don't need to repeat it.

sunrise/sunset 100% disproves your pet conspiracy theory. you know it.

 

[posthuman]

That's right - if they were to wake up from/out of the MATRIX, all 'bliss' would instantly be gone - never to return!

It's the same allure gnosticism had. you think you have 'secret knowledge' that makes you smarter than everyone.

Not unlike buying a huge impractical pickup truck. the real result is that you just annoy ordinary drivers, give yourself unnecessary grief trying to park, and waste a lot of energy.

 

[posthuman]

From post #983:

Frames 204-214 of the upper-right GIF above at 1 frame/second:

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That's atmospheric lensing at work. it totally disproves flat earth.

sometimes it results in a green flash. totally inexplicable from the perspective of your 'flat gospel'

What, you're going to try to say that's the vanishing point geometry? LOL

laughable. and so, so sad.

only people completely ignorant of basic geometry or willfully blind to it would believe you, on this point, Gary.

The setting and rising sun and moon have their FULL SIZE disc's partially obscure by the horizon, 4x per day visible to every eye of every living creature in earth


100% flat earth lie debunked.

finis

 

[Fundaamental]

You are wrapping your "biblical" understanding around your belief and understanding of what is illustrated in the image.

Just more "excuses" to "disprove" the biblical account...

in your head it disproves a biblical account

But actually it gives credit to the biblical account, of why the earth is fixed and why the earth doesn't move.

You do realise if both the inner foundations of our plannet moved, which they do and the outer structure moved, (the earth ). We would be totally unstable.

As it stand only the inner structure of our plannet move, it's why you get earth quakes.

our planets inner structure is a cocktail shaker I wrecking that mixes all the elements up I feel, I have a feeling God is a bit of scientist that way.

He likes to churn stuff up. and he just loves circles. 😊

Bye bye friend

 

[RaceRunner]

You're wrong, Gary.

Do the math.

I've done it for you in the past more than once. I don't need to repeat it.

sunrise/sunset 100% disproves your pet conspiracy theory. you know it.