problem related to praying in tongues

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Cameron143 said:
I appreciate the source material. I generally like to hear what someone believes in their own words. If you are not so inclined I do want to thank you for sharing as you have.
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Basically, the word el is used of God, a god, and mighty men.

Regarding Isa 9:6.. It also says that the Messiah would be the "everlasting Father." How does that fit with the Trinity? According to the Trinity, the Son is NOT the Father.
 
VARob said:
Basically, the word el is used of God, a god, and mighty men.

Regarding Isa 9:6.. It also says that the Messiah would be the "everlasting Father." How does that fit with the Trinity? According to the Trinity, the Son is NOT the Father.
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Thanks. One last question...if Jesus didn't exist until the womb, how is John 1 true that has Jesus there in the beginning and credited with creation?
 
VARob said:
Basically, the word el is used of God, a god, and mighty men.

Regarding Isa 9:6.. It also says that the Messiah would be the "everlasting Father." How does that fit with the Trinity? According to the Trinity, the Son is NOT the Father.
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Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.


How can the Father DWELL in Christ to the point of doing the Talking and Miracles but Christ is still not GOD?
 
Cameron143 said:
Thanks. One last question...if Jesus didn't exist until the womb, how is John 1 true that has Jesus there in the beginning and credited with creation?
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I do not believe the first few verses of John 1 are about Jesus Christ. They are about God's logos, His will, plan, or purposes. God is credited with creation (Gen 1:1; Isa 44:24; Mark 13:19), not Jesus Christ. People read Jesus into John 1:1-3 because of their belief.
 
The_Watchers_2017 said:
Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
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Jesus Christ declared God, he made God known (John 1:18). He represented God on earth.

10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.
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Yes, God was in Jesus Christ.
 
VARob said:
Jesus Christ declared God, he made God known (John 1:18). He represented God on earth.


Yes, God was in Jesus Christ.
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but Jesus says He is also in the Father.

you and I have God in us but God don't have us in Him.

Jesus can only be in the Father if Jesus is God!

I am in the Father and the Father is in me
 
VARob said:
1 John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
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Jesus is talking one can embody [He can embody the Father and the Father can embody Him] the other and you present a Verse that speaks about being in God in His Perfect Love.

sorry, that's a real jw move if there ever was one one.
 
VARob said:
Again, the meaning of the words egi eimi has been previously discussed.
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The Jews knew He was claiming to be God and told Him that was why they were trying to stone Him. You don't need anything but what is said. Opinions don't matter. Jesus said I AM which the Jews knew was the answer from the burning bush. Jesus claimed to be God, no twisting of words changes fact.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
Jesus is talking one can embody [He can embody the Father and the Father can embody Him] the other and you present a Verse that speaks about being in God in His Perfect Love.

sorry, that's a real jw move if there ever was one one.
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You're grasping at straws, coming up empty, and resorting to slurs.

It's too bad. I thought you were open to reason and discussion.
 
ThereRoseaLamb said:
The Jews knew He was claiming to be God and told Him that was why they were trying to stone Him. You don't need anything but what is said. Opinions don't matter. Jesus said I AM which the Jews knew was the answer from the burning bush. Jesus claimed to be God, no twisting of words changes fact.
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ok
 
VARob said:
You're grasping at straws, coming up empty, and resorting to slurs.

It's too bad. I thought you were open to reason and discussion.
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no, you changed the topic like typical avoidance.

you changed Jesus meaning to your meaning.

who do you think you are?
 
anyways, i am in the same boat as the Disciples, they also worship Jesus as God:

When He appeared to them after the resurrection, they fell at His feet and worshipped Him (Matthew 28:9)

the Disciples were well aware of the First Commandment [Have no other gods before ME] but still worshiped Jesus as God!
 
VARob said:
I do not believe the first few verses of John 1 are about Jesus Christ. They are about God's logos, His will, plan, or purposes. God is credited with creation (Gen 1:1; Isa 44:24; Mark 13:19), not Jesus Christ. People read Jesus into John 1:1-3 because of their belief.
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Isn't that the teaching of John 1:14?
 
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