Saturday Sabbath - Why does it matter?

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Thus saith the word of God:

The Sabbath is the day of celebration to the Creator of heaven and earth.
It is the only day God made holy. It is the day that God appointed to cease from all labors.
The Sabbath is a sign between God and His people forever.
It is a rest that God calls all man to participate in.
True delight is only found in the Sabbath.
All days of the week besides the Sabbath are considered work days.
Curses and Disease are announced on those who do not keep the commandments of God.
The Sabbath is the Lord's Day!
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The Sabbath was established at the week of creation, circumcision was not, but a rite that was exclusive to the Israelites. It distinguishing the Jews from the Gentiles. It faded away with the identity of the Jews as God's chosen people. The Sabbath was kept by all mankind and the Jews lost sight of it during 430 years of slavery to the Egyptians, which is why it is reintroduced to them.

We see the consistency with the keeping of the Sabbath from the beginning of creation (Gen 2) to the end of time (Isa 66:22-23). Jesus kept it. Jews and Gentiles kept it.

The Keeping of the Sabbath is the 4th commandment. The ten commandments are moral laws that reflet the character of God. He wrote them with His own finger in stone, which represents permanency, perpetual, no change. Do you think any of the commandments of God will ever change? No. He said 'I change not.' For I am the Lord, I change not... Malachi 3:6.
The keeping of the Sabbath was only a commandment to the circumcised. So unless you are also pushing circumcision, this point is invalid.

Yes, the Sabbath is mentioned from Genesis, and yes, it was for all mankind. But this was not a commandment for all mankind. So to push people to keep it from a commandment perspective is wrong.
 

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The keeping of the Sabbath was only a commandment to the circumcised. So unless you are also pushing circumcision, this point is invalid.

Yes, the Sabbath is mentioned from Genesis, and yes, it was for all mankind. But this was not a commandment for all mankind. So to push people to keep it from a commandment perspective is wrong.
Amen!
It’s my joy to gather with the saints on the first day of the week and remember the Lords death until He returns.
Seems they did that in the first church too.
It’s just a self righteous thing with some so called Christians.
Like these Christians also.….
Acts 15:1 KJV
And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

Acts 15:24-32 KJV
Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
[25] It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
[26] Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[27] We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
[28] For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
[29] That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
[30] So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle:
[31] Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.
[32] And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them.
 

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The keeping of the Sabbath was only a commandment to the circumcised. So unless you are also pushing circumcision, this point is invalid.

Yes, the Sabbath is mentioned from Genesis, and yes, it was for all mankind. But this was not a commandment for all mankind. So to push people to keep it from a commandment perspective is wrong.

Come let us reason together

There are two institutions that God created during the week of creation and that existed before the fall of Adam and Eve: Marriage and the Sabbath.

The Sabbath was established at creation. Gen 2 and was a commandment just as much as God telling Adam and Eve not to eat from the forbidden tree in the midst of the garden.

The ten commandments of God includes the Sabbath commandment. Ex 20:8-11. God's ten commandments were written with the very finger of God. Ex 31:18; thus they are a transcript of the character of God. His character changes not!


We see the true consistency of God in establishing His Sabbath throughout scripture. God is not a god of confusion. I Cor 14:33. No where does it state that He changed the Sabbath from the seventh day to the first. The Sabbath commandment was given to all mankind: The Sabbath was made for man... Mark 2:27 This verse includes all mankind: male and female.

The Sabbath was given as a commandments to the Children of Israel because they had lost sight of God and what He required of them due to 430 years of enslavement in a pagan land. They had to be reeducated on who God was and His expectations for His people.

Who kept the Sabbath?

Jews and Gentiles kept the Sabbath - The early Christian church kept the sabbath!
Acts 13:42-44
42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

44 And when the next sabbath day came almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

*Notice that the Gentiles ask for these words to be preached to them the next sabbath. If the first day was kept by the Gentiles, why didn't they ask for these words to be preached to them tomorrow or the next day?



Origin of First Day Worship

Sunday worship is a Catholic church institution. If you ask a priest where did Sunday worship originate from, they will tell you that it came from the Catholic church. A great resource of the Catholic church that addresses this matter is taken from the Catholic Mirror, Rome's Challenge Why Do Protestants Keep Sunday? (September of 1893) ISBN-13:978-1-57258-052-7.

In the pages of this brochure the Catholic church accuses protestants of a glaring contradiction: Says the Catholic church "The bible alone unequivocally and most positively commands Saturday to be kept 'holy,' whilst the Protestants' practice proves that they utterly ignore the unequivocal requirements of their teacher, the Bible, ..."

*Please do you own research.
 

ManyStars

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Come let us reason together

There are two institutions that God created during the week of creation and that existed before the fall of Adam and Eve: Marriage and the Sabbath.

The Sabbath was established at creation. Gen 2 and was a commandment just as much as God telling Adam and Eve not to eat from the forbidden tree in the midst of the garden.

The ten commandments of God includes the Sabbath commandment. Ex 20:8-11. God's ten commandments were written with the very finger of God. Ex 31:18; thus they are a transcript of the character of God. His character changes not!


We see the true consistency of God in establishing His Sabbath throughout scripture. God is not a god of confusion. I Cor 14:33. No where does it state that He changed the Sabbath from the seventh day to the first. The Sabbath commandment was given to all mankind: The Sabbath was made for man... Mark 2:27 This verse includes all mankind: male and female.

The Sabbath was given as a commandments to the Children of Israel because they had lost sight of God and what He required of them due to 430 years of enslavement in a pagan land. They had to be reeducated on who God was and His expectations for His people.

Who kept the Sabbath?

Jews and Gentiles kept the Sabbath - The early Christian church kept the sabbath!
Acts 13:42-44
42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

44 And when the next sabbath day came almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

*Notice that the Gentiles ask for these words to be preached to them the next sabbath. If the first day was kept by the Gentiles, why didn't they ask for these words to be preached to them tomorrow or the next day?



Origin of First Day Worship

Sunday worship is a Catholic church institution. If you ask a priest where did Sunday worship originate from, they will tell you that it came from the Catholic church. A great resource of the Catholic church that addresses this matter is taken from the Catholic Mirror, Rome's Challenge Why Do Protestants Keep Sunday? (September of 1893) ISBN-13:978-1-57258-052-7.

In the pages of this brochure the Catholic church accuses protestants of a glaring contradiction: Says the Catholic church "The bible alone unequivocally and most positively commands Saturday to be kept 'holy,' whilst the Protestants' practice proves that they utterly ignore the unequivocal requirements of their teacher, the Bible, ..."

*Please do you own research.
One more thing to add:

You use Jesus resurrection from the dead on the first day of the week to justify Sunday worship. No where in the bible does it state that Jesus changed His Sabbath day to the first day of the week. The facts relating to the establishment of the Sabbath our clear, precise and consistent throughout scripture. Sunday worship has no biblical authority.

Actually, Jesus died on Good Friday, He rested and kept the Sabbath, and He arose on the first day of the week to work as our mediator and high priest. Thus, this school of thought relating Sunday as a day of rest is not biblical.
 

Moses_Young

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Come let us reason together

There are two institutions that God created during the week of creation and that existed before the fall of Adam and Eve: Marriage and the Sabbath.

The Sabbath was established at creation. Gen 2 and was a commandment just as much as God telling Adam and Eve not to eat from the forbidden tree in the midst of the garden.
This is incorrect. Notice the absence of any commandment relating to the Sabbath in Genesis 2.

Gen 2:1-3 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

There likewise is no commandment regarding marriage. This is further highlighted in 1 Corinthians 7:6-8
But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.

Marriage and the Sabbath are institutions, not commandments. It is not a sin to remain unmarried (Paul even states it is a good thing), just as it is not a sin to not observe the Sabbath.

Come let us reason together

There are two institutions that God created during the week of creation and that existed before the fall of Adam and Eve: Marriage and the Sabbath.

The Sabbath was established at creation. Gen 2 and was a commandment just as much as God telling Adam and Eve not to eat from the forbidden tree in the midst of the garden.

The ten commandments of God includes the Sabbath commandment. Ex 20:8-11. God's ten commandments were written with the very finger of God. Ex 31:18; thus they are a transcript of the character of God. His character changes not!
Again, an institution is not a commandment. God later instituted the covenant of circumcision with Abraham.

The 10 commandments were given to Moses for the Israelites, the descendants of Abraham. On these was obliged the covenant of circumcision. If you are going to claim that the 10 commandments from Exodus are binding on Christians, you also need to claim that circumcision and the rest of the law is. Given that Galatians states circumcision is not binding on Christians, neither then is any other aspect of the law, including the Sabbath commandment.

We see the true consistency of God in establishing His Sabbath throughout scripture. God is not a god of confusion. I Cor 14:33. No where does it state that He changed the Sabbath from the seventh day to the first. The Sabbath commandment was given to all mankind: The Sabbath was made for man... Mark 2:27 This verse includes all mankind: male and female.
No one is claiming God changed the day of the Sabbath (to my knowledge). The Sabbath is and always was a Saturday. However, it is non-binding on Christians, the same as circumcision.

The Sabbath was given as a commandments to the Children of Israel because they had lost sight of God and what He required of them due to 430 years of enslavement in a pagan land. They had to be reeducated on who God was and His expectations for His people.
So was circumcision. You can't consistently require Sabbath observance without first requiring circumcision observance.

Who kept the Sabbath?

Jews and Gentiles kept the Sabbath - The early Christian church kept the sabbath!
Acts 13:42-44
42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

44 And when the next sabbath day came almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

*Notice that the Gentiles ask for these words to be preached to them the next sabbath. If the first day was kept by the Gentiles, why didn't they ask for these words to be preached to them tomorrow or the next day?
Some of the early Christian church also worshipped on Sunday, and some were circumcised. It doesn't mean it is binding on Christians today.

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Acts 16:1-3
Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek:
Which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium.
Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek.

Origin of First Day Worship

Sunday worship is a Catholic church institution. If you ask a priest where did Sunday worship originate from, they will tell you that it came from the Catholic church. A great resource of the Catholic church that addresses this matter is taken from the Catholic Mirror, Rome's Challenge Why Do Protestants Keep Sunday? (September of 1893) ISBN-13:978-1-57258-052-7.

In the pages of this brochure the Catholic church accuses protestants of a glaring contradiction: Says the Catholic church "The bible alone unequivocally and most positively commands Saturday to be kept 'holy,' whilst the Protestants' practice proves that they utterly ignore the unequivocal requirements of their teacher, the Bible, ..."

*Please do you own research.
This is not the origin of Sunday worship. As I indicated above, there are scriptural examples of the disciples worshiping on Sunday.
 

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Those who rejected the Sabbath faced being cast out or even stoned to death! Exodus 31:14-15.
Do you really believe that God has changed His mind or that the Sabbath no longer matters to Him?
The religious leaders of Jesus' day wanted to kill Him for breaking the Sabbath also.
Obviously their understanding varied vastly from God's own purpose.
 

ManyStars

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Some of the early Christian church also worshipped on Sunday, and some were circumcised. It doesn't mean it is binding on Christians today.

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Where does it say that because they came together to break bread on the first day of the week, this is now a holy day to the Lord? It doesn't!

Actually, the early Christian church went from house to house daily breaking bread and praying together. They were excited!

46. So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart. Acts 2:46

42. And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers.

This does not suggest every day is the Sabbath. However, every day is holy day unto the Lord. Meaning, we are to live like Christians every day, not part time. But the Sabbath was kept by Jew and Gentile alike and God distinguished the Sabbath from all other days by first blessing the day and sanctifying it. Gen 2:3.

All other days beside the Sabbath are considered work days:

1. ‘Thus says the Lord God: “The gateway of the inner court that faces toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the Sabbath it shall be opened, and on the day of the New Moon it shall be opened. Ezekiel 46:1.

Sabbath vs. Circumcision

Please keep in mind that circumcision was a rite germane to the children of Israel that became obsolete and faded away with the ceremonial laws and even the civic laws of the Jewish economy. Judaizers attempted to make it a requirement for Salvation, being selective with this and other laws; however, you had to keep them all. But the law provides for no selectivity - it is either all or nothing.

Further, one who accepts circumcision thereby expressed belief in the whole system and must submit to all its demands. HOWEVER, at the same time one would be expressing distrust in the efficacy of the atonement made for him by Jesus Christ.

The Sabbath has nothing to do with circumcision being used as a means of Salvation. Neither, I hope, are you suggesting that the keeping of the Sabbath is being seen by those who keep it a means of salvation. It is not! We are saved by grace through faith. Gal 2. The Sabbath is kept by God's people because obedience to God is an act of love. "If you love me, keep my commandments" John 14:15. Further, God's last-day people will keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus Christ. Rev 14:12. The Sabbath is a sign between God and His people forever. Ex 31:17.

Who are God's people today? God's people obey his commands. They are defined not by ethnicity, but through Christology. Christians who obey and do the will of God.

Not a Commandment?

When Cain offered to God his own sacrifice other than what God required, was that command by God? I guess you can argue it was not, being that you don't see the word "commandment" being used. However, without the shedding of blood their is no remission of sin. Able's sacrifice was accepted, but Cain's was rejected. It was not rejected arbitrarily. Cain knew and understood what God required of him as an accepted sacrifice, even though it was not commanded of him.

*By the way, Cain and Able represents two classes of people that will exist in the last days that we are living: One class are obedient to the commandments and will of God . The other group offers to God their own version of religion other than what God requires of them and expect Him to accept it. There is a way that seems right unto a man, but the end thereof leads to death. Prov 14:12
 

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Yes, the religious leaders' understanding of the Sabbath was vastly different from that of Jesus. BUT look at our day... Things have changed tremendously to a point where many people today are ignorant about the true Sabbath and its importance for God's last day church.
 

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Yes, the religious leaders' understanding of the Sabbath was vastly different from that of Jesus. BUT look at our day... Things have changed tremendously to a point where many people today are ignorant about the true Sabbath and its importance for God's last day church.
The Sabbath was a foreshadowing of the rest we find in Jesus Christ. That is its importance.

Do you rest in Him? Or are trying to keep laws that were not given to the church?

PS~ it seems rather rude to quote me but then erase every single word I said. :oops:
 

Magenta

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In the pages of this brochure the Catholic church accuses protestants of a glaring contradiction: Says the Catholic church "The bible alone unequivocally and most positively commands Saturday to be kept 'holy,' whilst the Protestants' practice proves that they utterly ignore the unequivocal requirements of their teacher, the Bible, ..."

*Please do you own research.
LOL. What day do Catholics meet for corporate worship? Sunday! And other days as well. They are not Sabbath keepers.

My research shows that the RCC says whatever is convenient and suits their agenda.

Jesus died on Good Friday,
That's a Catholic invention.

Able's sacrifice ... ... Cain and Able ...
His name was Abel.
 

Moses_Young

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Where does it say that because they came together to break bread on the first day of the week, this is now a holy day to the Lord? It doesn't!
I never made this claim. This is called a straw man argument. I noted that Christians in the early church came together to worship on the first day of the week, as many Christians still do to this day. (Although others such as yourself seem to be claiming they should come together the day before?)

Sabbath vs. Circumcision

Please keep in mind that circumcision was a rite germane to the children of Israel that became obsolete and faded away with the ceremonial laws and even the civic laws of the Jewish economy. Judaizers attempted to make it a requirement for Salvation, being selective with this and other laws; however, you had to keep them all. But the law provides for no selectivity - it is either all or nothing.

Further, one who accepts circumcision thereby expressed belief in the whole system and must submit to all its demands. HOWEVER, at the same time one would be expressing distrust in the efficacy of the atonement made for him by Jesus Christ.

The Sabbath has nothing to do with circumcision being used as a means of Salvation. Neither, I hope, are you suggesting that the keeping of the Sabbath is being seen by those who keep it a means of salvation. It is not! We are saved by grace through faith. Gal 2. The Sabbath is kept by God's people because obedience to God is an act of love. "If you love me, keep my commandments" John 14:15. Further, God's last-day people will keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus Christ. Rev 14:12. The Sabbath is a sign between God and His people forever. Ex 31:17.
You're missing the point here. Circumcision had nothing to do with being a means of salvation. Look at Abraham, who was saved before he was circumcised. Salvation has always been by God's grace through faith in God. However, like keeping the Sabbath, circumcision was kept by God's people because obedience to God is an act of love.

Also note that the commandment to keep the Sabbath in Exodus was only given to those who had already been given the command to circumcise - the children of Israel. The commandment to keep the Sabbath became obsolete and faded away with the ceremonial laws and even the civic laws of the Jewish community, because the entirety of the law, including the Sabbath and circumcision, was fulfilled in Christ the God-man.

You can't have it both ways. The Sabbath as a commandment was not given to anyone other than those who were also given commandments to circumcise, and to keep the ceremonial laws and the civic laws. If circumcision, the ceremonial laws and the civic laws have faded away and become obsolete, so too has the commandment to keep the Sabbath. If the commandment to keep the Sabbath is still binding on Christians, then so too are the commandments to circumcise, to keep the ceremonial laws and to keep the civic laws.
 

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Remember,

1. The Sabbath and Marriage was established by God before sin existed.
2. Circumcision was not, but a rite that was a sign of the covenant between Abraham and God, which was extended to the Jews.
3. The Sabbath is eternal and will be kept forever in the new world to come:

Isa 66:22-23
22 “As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,” declares the Lord, “so will your name and descendants endure. 23 From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the Lord.

Isaiah 8:20
20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.




 

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Remember,

1. The Sabbath and Marriage was established by God before sin existed.
2. Circumcision was not, but a rite that was a sign of the covenant between Abraham and God, which was extended to the Jews.
3. The Sabbath is eternal and will be kept forever in the new world to come:

Isa 66:22-23
22 “As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,” declares the Lord, “so will your name and descendants endure. 23 From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the Lord.

Isaiah 8:20
20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
"One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind." Romans 14:5

No amount of theological gymnastics can overcome this simple teaching. You're wasting your time and should give up the law-keeping nonsense.
 

Moses_Young

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Remember,

1. The Sabbath and Marriage was established by God before sin existed.
2. Circumcision was not, but a rite that was a sign of the covenant between Abraham and God, which was extended to the Jews.
3. The Sabbath is eternal and will be kept forever in the new world to come:
There was no commandment for the Sabbath before sin existed. The Sabbath commandment only came after, and only applied to those already under the covenant of circumcision. Remember Genesis 17:13 also states that circumcision was to be an everlasting covenant.

Gen 17:13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
 

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There was no commandment for the Sabbath before sin existed. The Sabbath commandment only came after, and only applied to those already under the covenant of circumcision. Remember Genesis 17:13 also states that circumcision was to be an everlasting covenant.

Gen 17:13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

We also know that God kept His covenant, while His people did not.
In the New Covenant, the better covenant, superceded the first in regards to Carnal Ordinances and such.
Hebrews 9
"Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. 11But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. "


Jesus abolished those ordinances by His body.
"15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Ephesians 2

And of course Colossians 2 further confirms what are considered those ordinances

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. "