The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?
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Its in the Bible, but only some people (very rare few) understand his teachings. But one day all will know this anyway!
What is the "its"? If you know it what that is, let's hear it - you should clearly explain yourself.
Only those Christ died for obey Jesus, that's part of His saving death, it produces obedience. Those who dont obey, its because Christ didnt love them not die for them.
Must be made Alive !
All for whom Christ died [and rose again ]must be made alive through His Death, to be made His Living fruit, or His Living Seed, or scripture has bared a false witness to what should be the effects of His Death, as here Jn 12:24
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Now understand something, the Corn of wheat represents Christ ! And what happens when that Corn of wheat dies ? It brings forth much fruit !
The words bringeth forth as in bringeth forth much fruit, its the word pheró and actually means in this context to produce ! To produce equally means:
To cause, create, beget, author, it even means to procreate or to give life to, give living offspring !
Remember Paul wrote of Christ as a what in 1 Cor 15:45
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam[Christ] was made a quickening spirit.
or it can read as the ASV renders it:
45 So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
Hence Christ's death alone, for them He died for, was victorious over sin, death and hell, and so His resurrection from the dead proves it or evidences it, and because Christ was also the Kinsmen Redeemer for those He died for, His Resurrection from the dead shall cause them to be resurrected from the dead, or to be born again, and is what Peter means by 1 Pet 1:3
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
This verse is a confirmation of what John 12:24 means about Christ's dying shall bring forth much fruit, to be begotten again !
Hence its impossible for anyone Christ died for, whom He represented on the Cross, whose sins were charged to Him upon that Tree, its impossible for any one of them not to be born again by His Resurrection, or else that will make scripture testimony to come to nought, especially the Truth of Jn 12:24 ! Those who are born again by His Resurrection are the Travail of His Soul Isa 53:11, the fruit He speaks of in Jn 12:24, The Seed or Offspring of Isa 53:10
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
The Body must be made alive through the Head !
All for whom Christ died [and rose again ]must be made alive through His Death, to be made His Living fruit, or His Living Seed, or scripture has bared a false witness to what should be the effects of His Death, as here Jn 12:24
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Now understand something, the Corn of wheat represents Christ ! And what happens when that Corn of wheat dies ? It brings forth much fruit !
The words bringeth forth as in bringeth forth much fruit, its the word pheró and actually means in this context to produce ! To produce equally means:
To cause, create, beget, author, it even means to procreate or to give life to, give living offspring !
Remember Paul wrote of Christ as a what in 1 Cor 15:45
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam[Christ] was made a quickening spirit.
or it can read as the ASV renders it:
45 So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
Hence Christ's death alone, for them He died for, was victorious over sin, death and hell, and so His resurrection from the dead proves it or evidences it, and because Christ was also the Kinsmen Redeemer for those He died for, His Resurrection from the dead shall cause them to be resurrected from the dead, or to be born again, and is what Peter means by 1 Pet 1:3
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
This verse is a confirmation of what John 12:24 means about Christ's dying shall bring forth much fruit, to be begotten again !
Hence its impossible for anyone Christ died for, whom He represented on the Cross, whose sins were charged to Him upon that Tree, its impossible for any one of them not to be born again by His Resurrection, or else that will make scripture testimony to come to nought, especially the Truth of Jn 12:24 ! Those who are born again by His Resurrection are the Travail of His Soul Isa 53:11, the fruit He speaks of in Jn 12:24, The Seed or Offspring of Isa 53:10
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
The Body must be made alive through the Head !
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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The Gift of God is Eternal Life through Jesus Christ !
We all have read Rom 6:23 one time or the other:
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Remember this verse comes after what Paul explained regarding Headship results by Adam and then by Christ Rom 5:12-21, through Adam our natural head out of Creation we earned the wages of sin, death, by his disobedience our eternal death is due, earned Rom 5:12
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
This death by sin by the one man Adam, is what Paul means by death in Rom 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
But, on the flip side, By The Lords obedience to the Law of God for us, as a Free Gift, we become entitled to Eternal Life or the Eternal Inheritance Heb 9:15
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Gal 3:18
For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Eph 1:11
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
We obtained this Inheritance through Jesus Christ !
Col 3:24
Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.
Heb 11:8
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance[Cp Gal 3:18], obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
1 Pet 1:4
To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
This Inheritance is Heavenly and its Eternal Life, that Eternal Life of Rom 6:23, and its due not by any obedience of our own, but solely by the Obedience of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Through Christ, as a Free Gift, all for whom He died are Heirs of Promise Gal 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Thats again referring to that Eternal Life which is a Gift through Jesus Christ Rom 6:23.
And as proof of being heirs, we are born into the possession of it experimentally by the New Birth by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead 1 Pet 1:3-4
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
Thats how its [The Gift of Eternal Life] initially received, by being begotten again, to an Inheritance !
Listen, everyone Christ died for must receive this Gift of being begotten again, as proof that He died for them as their Surety Head, entitling them to the Gift of the Inheritance, which is Eternal Life through Him Rom 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. 33
We all have read Rom 6:23 one time or the other:
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Remember this verse comes after what Paul explained regarding Headship results by Adam and then by Christ Rom 5:12-21, through Adam our natural head out of Creation we earned the wages of sin, death, by his disobedience our eternal death is due, earned Rom 5:12
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
This death by sin by the one man Adam, is what Paul means by death in Rom 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
But, on the flip side, By The Lords obedience to the Law of God for us, as a Free Gift, we become entitled to Eternal Life or the Eternal Inheritance Heb 9:15
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Gal 3:18
For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Eph 1:11
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
We obtained this Inheritance through Jesus Christ !
Col 3:24
Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.
Heb 11:8
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance[Cp Gal 3:18], obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
1 Pet 1:4
To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
This Inheritance is Heavenly and its Eternal Life, that Eternal Life of Rom 6:23, and its due not by any obedience of our own, but solely by the Obedience of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Through Christ, as a Free Gift, all for whom He died are Heirs of Promise Gal 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Thats again referring to that Eternal Life which is a Gift through Jesus Christ Rom 6:23.
And as proof of being heirs, we are born into the possession of it experimentally by the New Birth by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead 1 Pet 1:3-4
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
Thats how its [The Gift of Eternal Life] initially received, by being begotten again, to an Inheritance !
Listen, everyone Christ died for must receive this Gift of being begotten again, as proof that He died for them as their Surety Head, entitling them to the Gift of the Inheritance, which is Eternal Life through Him Rom 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. 33
Post 1565 do you understand the point made ?
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...really-accomplish.199050/page-79#post-5111346
What Scripture tells us:
Deuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
Jeremiah 31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity ...
2 Chronicles 25:3-4 Now it came to pass, when the kingdom was established to him [Amaziah], that he slew his servants that had killed the king his father. But he slew not their children, but did as it is written in the law in the book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not die for the children, neither shall the children die for the fathers, but every man shall die for his own sin.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.brightfame52 said:
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Acts 10:43 To him [the Lord Jesus Christ] give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.brightfame52 said:
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your whole premise falls apart at the first 5 words:
Scripture tells us (more than once) that the offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is sufficient to take away the sin of the world:
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Your futile attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma has again failed. You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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post 1567 did you understand it ?
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...really-accomplish.199050/page-79#post-5114506
Perfected forever !
Heb 10:10-14
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
True Believers were perfected forever by Christ's Death before they were even born sinners, if Christ died for our sins 1 Cor 15:3.
Now many unenlightened minds, calling themselves Believers or Christians do fail to realize that all sinners Christ has died for, hath once and for all, solely by His One Offering, which means His Death, they by it hath been once and for all Sanctified Vs 10 and Perfected forever ! Both the words Sanctified in Vs 10 and Perfected in Vs 14 are in the Perfect tense in the greek :
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Heb&c=10&t=KJV#s=t_conc_1143010
Also in Vs 10 the we are is in the present tense, meaning they were permanently in a state of Sanctification ongoing !
This is before they are born and certainly before they believe. They are these things based upon His Offering of Himself, His Sacrifice, also based upon it is the certainty of of their Eternal Glory which is the Capstone of having been Perfected by His Offering, to be ushered into a Permanent state of Perfection and Glory, Eternal Glory 2 Tim 2:10
Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
1 Pet 5:10
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
This Eternal Glory, the Crowning Achievement of Our Perfection, and only God knows what that all entails, is the simple consequence , outcome of having been both Sanctified and Perfected by the Offerong of Christ, meaning His Death.
All of God's Elect, even in their times of being solely in the flesh, unregenerate and totally depraved, enemies of God in their minds as stated here Col 1:21
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
They are nevertheless washed in the Blood of Christ , Clothed in His Righteousness Imputed, in the sight of God ! In fact, even the Saints who are presently inn Glory, are no more Holy in the sight of God as they are while they are enemies.
In God's Sight, they are always and forever free from any charge of sin, though they may drink it like water while joined with that body of death, but yet their iniquities Christ has already borne for them Isa 53:11
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
And by that, they have been Sanctified and Perfected forever ! 33
Heb 10:10-14
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
True Believers were perfected forever by Christ's Death before they were even born sinners, if Christ died for our sins 1 Cor 15:3.
Now many unenlightened minds, calling themselves Believers or Christians do fail to realize that all sinners Christ has died for, hath once and for all, solely by His One Offering, which means His Death, they by it hath been once and for all Sanctified Vs 10 and Perfected forever ! Both the words Sanctified in Vs 10 and Perfected in Vs 14 are in the Perfect tense in the greek :
The perfect tense in Greek corresponds to the perfect tense in English, and describes an action which is viewed as having been completed in the past, once and for all, not needing to be repeated.
Jesus' last cry from the cross, TETELESTAI ("It is finished!") is a good example of the perfect tense used in this sense, namely "It [the atonement] has been accomplished, completely, once and for all time."
Certain antiquated verb forms in Greek, such as those related to seeing (eidw) or knowing (oida) will use the perfect tense in a manner equivalent to the normal past tense. These few cases are exception to the normal rule and do not alter the normal connotation of the perfect tense stated above.
Jesus' last cry from the cross, TETELESTAI ("It is finished!") is a good example of the perfect tense used in this sense, namely "It [the atonement] has been accomplished, completely, once and for all time."
Certain antiquated verb forms in Greek, such as those related to seeing (eidw) or knowing (oida) will use the perfect tense in a manner equivalent to the normal past tense. These few cases are exception to the normal rule and do not alter the normal connotation of the perfect tense stated above.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Heb&c=10&t=KJV#s=t_conc_1143010
Also in Vs 10 the we are is in the present tense, meaning they were permanently in a state of Sanctification ongoing !
This is before they are born and certainly before they believe. They are these things based upon His Offering of Himself, His Sacrifice, also based upon it is the certainty of of their Eternal Glory which is the Capstone of having been Perfected by His Offering, to be ushered into a Permanent state of Perfection and Glory, Eternal Glory 2 Tim 2:10
Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
1 Pet 5:10
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
This Eternal Glory, the Crowning Achievement of Our Perfection, and only God knows what that all entails, is the simple consequence , outcome of having been both Sanctified and Perfected by the Offerong of Christ, meaning His Death.
All of God's Elect, even in their times of being solely in the flesh, unregenerate and totally depraved, enemies of God in their minds as stated here Col 1:21
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
They are nevertheless washed in the Blood of Christ , Clothed in His Righteousness Imputed, in the sight of God ! In fact, even the Saints who are presently inn Glory, are no more Holy in the sight of God as they are while they are enemies.
In God's Sight, they are always and forever free from any charge of sin, though they may drink it like water while joined with that body of death, but yet their iniquities Christ has already borne for them Isa 53:11
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
And by that, they have been Sanctified and Perfected forever ! 33
yes I understand it ... I replied to your surmisings at Post 1569.
Post 1567 has been refuted as Post 1569 exposes the error of your dogma.
Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
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... nope ... Scripture tells us when righteousness is imputed to mankind:Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
Scripture tells us (more than once) that the offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is sufficient to take away the sin of the world:brightfame52 said:
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Scripture also tells us that the gospel of Jesus Christ consists of both His death and His resurrection:
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures
Romans 10:9-11 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
The Lord Jesus Christ is the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world.brightfame52 said:
In eternity past, God planned for the redemption of all mankind as the offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is sufficient to cover the sins of the whole world ... all descendants of Adam.
Hebrews 10:10-14 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [
vs 10 - sanctification is founded on the one offering of Jesus, not on our own offerings or sacrifices. Hebrews 10:10 contrasts the sufficiency of the one sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ against the insufficiency of the sacrifices under the Old Covenant (see Heb 10:1-4).
vs 14 - by the one offering, the Lord Jesus Christ has done all that was required ... there is no need of any further offering ...
Hebrews 10:
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
The one-time offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is sufficient for the remission of all the sins of all mankind. There is no other offering for the remission of sin.
Let's take a look at 2 Timothy 2:10brightfame52 said:
Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
There would be no need for them to also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus if, as you claim, they were "perfected forever by Christ's Death before they were even born sinners" ... or if, as you claim, they were "permanently in a state of Sanctification ongoing !
This is before they are born and certainly before they believe".
brightfame52 said:
... First of all, if they are enemies, they are not reconciled to God.
Secondly, you ignore a very important word in the verse ... the word "now".
According to you, they were "perfected forever by Christ's Death before they were even born sinners".
If they were "perfected forever by Christ's Death before they were even born sinners", God, as the Author of Scripture, would have used the word "then" in Col 1:21.
Third, Paul is speaking of those who have come to faith in the Lord Jesus Christ:
Colossians 1:3-4 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints
You again rip a verse from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed it ... then you attempt to align Scripture with your erroneous dogma ... and you have again failed.
You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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If you deny that sinners Christ died for, were perfected forever by His death as Per Heb 10:14 thats unbelief !
Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
Scripture tells us (more than once) that the offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is sufficient to take away the sin of the world:
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Scripture also tells us that the gospel of Jesus Christ consists of both His death and His resurrection:
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures
Romans 10:9-11 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
The Lord Jesus Christ is the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world.
In eternity past, God planned for the redemption of all mankind as the offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is sufficient to cover the sins of the whole world ... all descendants of Adam.
Hebrews 10:10-14 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all– the words "for all" do not appear in the text]. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
vs 10 - sanctification is founded on the one offering of Jesus, not on our own offerings or sacrifices. Hebrews 10:10 contrasts the sufficiency of the one sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ against the insufficiency of the sacrifices under the Old Covenant (see Heb 10:1-4).
vs 14 - by the one offering, the Lord Jesus Christ has done all that was required ... there is no need of any further offering ...
Hebrews 10:
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
The one-time offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is sufficient for the remission of all the sins of all mankind. There is no other offering for the remission of sin.
Let's take a look at 2 Timothy 2:10
Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
There would be no need for them to also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus if, as you claim, they were "perfected forever by Christ's Death before they were even born sinners" ... or if, as you claim, they were "permanently in a state of Sanctification ongoing !
This is before they are born and certainly before they believe".
First of all, if they are enemies, they are not reconciled to God.
Secondly, you ignore a very important word in the verse ... the word "now".
According to you, they were "perfected forever by Christ's Death before they were even born sinners".
If they were "perfected forever by Christ's Death before they were even born sinners", God, as the Author of Scripture, would have used the word "then" in Col 1:21.
Third, Paul is speaking of those who have come to faith in the Lord Jesus Christ:
Colossians 1:3-4 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints
You again rip a verse from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed it ... then you attempt to align Scripture with your erroneous dogma ... and you have again failed.
You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Post 1567 has been refuted as Post 1569 exposes the error of your dogma.
Respond to the Scripture submitted in Post 1569 which exposes the error of your dogma.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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ripping a verse from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed it in your futile attempt to align Scripture with your erroneous dogma is improper.
The Bible is the Word of God, literally "God-breathed" (2 Timothy 3:16), and we are commanded to read, study, and understand it through the use of good Bible study methods and always with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit to guide us (1 Corinthians 2:14). Our study is greatly enhanced by maintaining diligence in the use of context because it is quite easy to come to wrong conclusions by taking phrases and verses out of context. It is not difficult to point out places that seemingly contradict other portions of Scripture, but if we carefully look at their context and use the entirety of Scripture as a reference, we can understand the meaning of a passage. “Context is king” means that the context often drives the meaning of a phrase. To ignore context is to put ourselves at a tremendous disadvantage.
The Lord Jesus Christ is the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world.
In eternity past, God planned for the redemption of all mankind as the offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is sufficient to cover the sins of the whole world ... all descendants of Adam.
Hebrews 10:10-14 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [
vs 10 - sanctification is founded on the one offering of Jesus, not on our own offerings or sacrifices. Hebrews 10:10 contrasts the sufficiency of the one sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ against the insufficiency of the sacrifices under the Old Covenant (see Heb 10:1-4).
vs 14 - by the one offering, the Lord Jesus Christ has done all that was required ... there is no need of any further offering ...
Hebrews 10:
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
The one-time offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is sufficient for the remission of all the sins of all mankind. There is no other offering for the remission of sin.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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If you deny that sinners Christ died for, were perfected forever by His death as Per Heb 10:14 thats unbelief !