One Baptism

WayneKCobb · Jul 4, 2023

Hello,

Ephesians 4:4-6 says there is one baptism. Paul wrote to the Ephesians in 61 to 63 AD which was about 30 years after the start of the church. Matthew 28: 19-20 tells us four things. First, Jesus tells us that we're supposed to make disciples. Second, Jesus tells us to baptize them in the name of the father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Note: Men baptized in water God baptizes in the Holy Spirit. Third, Matthew 28: 20 tells us that we are to continue to teach them. Fourth, so, discipling, baptizing, and continue to teach people was to continue to the end of the world.

So the only baptism that we can do today is baptism in water. This is further confirmed by Ephesians 5:25-27 Husbands, LOVE your wives, just as Christ also LOVED the church and gave Himself up for her, 26 - so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the declaration, 27 - that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless.

This word washing according to Strong's is a bath, which means to bathe the whole person. This refers to baptism in water as commanded by Jesus in Matthew 28: 19-20. So in the book of Acts, in the nine conversions mentioned, everyone was immersed in water the same day that they believed.

I might mention also, that it says in Psalms 119: 160 that the sum of God's word is truth. Just because water is not mentioned in every baptism in the book of Acts common does not mean that it was not done in water. Also, whenever it mentions a purpose or result of being baptized it is always for something connected to Salvation. So, just because some times the purpose is not given, does not mean that it was not for the purpose of being saved.

In every other instance, when people are examining a subject in the Bible, they realize and understand that the subject they're studying may be found in many other places in God's word. If one really wanted to study this subject of Salvation he would look up every scripture that were saved common saved, or saved. And whatever the Bible said that saves us would include everything that Bible said that saves us.

Thank you very much!

Wayne

Aussie52 · Jul 5, 2023

The one baptism is Spirit baptism of which water baptism symbolizes.

Pilgrimshope · Jul 5, 2023

WayneKCobb said:

right the only actual baptism established in scripture the one God established , the one Jesus partook of as an example for his followers , the one all his disciples and apostles partook of , there’s really only the one doctrine of baptism in the Bible then there’s what Jesus said he would do in giving us the spirit

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jesus baptism

“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: and there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

after jesus rose

“and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:46-48‬ ‭

The first record of baptism after Jesus resurrection

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-41‬ ‭

Magenta · Jul 5, 2023

Ephesians 4:5-6

ResidentAlien · Jul 5, 2023

WayneKCobb said:

Hello,

Ephesians 4:4-6 says there is one baptism. Paul wrote to the Ephesians in 61 to 63 AD which was about 30 years after the start of the church. Matthew 28: 19-20 tells us four things. First, Jesus tells us that we're supposed to make disciples. Second, Jesus tells us to baptize them in the name of the father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Note: Men baptized in water God baptizes in the Holy Spirit. Third, Matthew 28: 20 tells us that we are to continue to teach them. Fourth, so, discipling, baptizing, and continue to teach people was to continue to the end of the world.

So the only baptism that we can do today is baptism in water. This is further confirmed by Ephesians 5:25-27 Husbands, LOVE your wives, just as Christ also LOVED the church and gave Himself up for her, 26 - so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the declaration, 27 - that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless.

This word washing according to Strong's is a bath, which means to bathe the whole person. This refers to baptism in water as commanded by Jesus in Matthew 28: 19-20. So in the book of Acts, in the nine conversions mentioned, everyone was immersed in water the same day that they believed.

I might mention also, that it says in Psalms 119: 160 that the sum of God's word is truth. Just because water is not mentioned in every baptism in the book of Acts common does not mean that it was not done in water. Also, whenever it mentions a purpose or result of being baptized it is always for something connected to Salvation. So, just because some times the purpose is not given, does not mean that it was not for the purpose of being saved.

In every other instance, when people are examining a subject in the Bible, they realize and understand that the subject they're studying may be found in many other places in God's word. If one really wanted to study this subject of Salvation he would look up every scripture that were saved common saved, or saved. And whatever the Bible said that saves us would include everything that Bible said that saves us.

Thank you very much!

Wayne

You're right, I agree.

Nehemiah6 · Jul 5, 2023

WayneKCobb said:

In the context of that passage, the "one baptism" was in fact the baptism WITH the Holy Spirit, where Christ Himself is the Baptizer (as prophesied by John the Baptist). This happens when a person receives the gift of the Holy Spirit. But there is also Christian baptism by immersion, and Christ commanded that in Matthew 28:19. They are both necessary, the first for salvation and the second for sanctification.

Pilgrimshope · Jul 5, 2023

Nehemiah6 said:

amen

“I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭

“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3-4‬ ‭

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:

that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-6, 11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:11-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

baptism is for remission of sins through death , receiving the holy spirit isn’t about remission of sins through death but a new life through resurrection after one’s sins are remitted by the process of baptism

VARob · Jul 5, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

A persons sins are remitted when he hears the gospel and believes it, at which point he becomes born again, baptized in the holy spirit.

Pilgrimshope · Jul 5, 2023

VARob said:

yeah then There’s what the Bible says and makes clear

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

VARob · Jul 5, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

The revelation about God's secret and all it entailed had not been given yet. The dispensation committed to Paul.

Pilgrimshope · Jul 5, 2023

VARob said:

sigh yeah the “other gospel “of Paul ……….

VARob · Jul 5, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

It's a thing.

Eph 3:
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

Pilgrimshope · Jul 5, 2023

VARob said:

yeah it’s a new thing ….invented by men selling books and becoming rich preying on lack of understanding within the church

GRACE_ambassador · Jul 5, 2023

WayneKCobb said:

Correct: ONE ( Spiritual ) Baptism for today, summarized, Rightly Divided, from
two others that are not for us ( rejecting bad math):

(1) Prophecy/Covenants/Law for ISRAEL:

water baptism was man's operation, Commanded by God
to John the baptizer, and then by Christ to:

►►► The Twelve apostles who Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄

The TWO Main (of 12) baptismS =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts_10:37)
(Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25)
+
This Is The Baptism That "Christ Performed" after ascending Into Heaven:

B) Baptism WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for
power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)
Prophecy/Covenants/Law

Q: Are these TWO "still Required" By God, for us, Today, Under Grace?
Is it not UNdispensational to "practice today," what God Says is "for yesterday"?
Bible Answer:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

(2) Mystery/GRACE! =

our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY " The ONE ( Holy ) Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians_4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; ►►► 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB ◄◄◄)

This then, Under The Current Dispensation Of Grace, would make the ONE:

"Baptism By The One Holy Spirit for the forgiveness of sins," (Titus 3:5-7) eh?

Amen.

Also, there is this study: UnScriptural or UNdispensational?

GRACE_ambassador · Jul 5, 2023

WayneKCobb said:

Please verify the meaning of this?

WayneKCobb · Jul 6, 2023

Good afternoon

I have some questions to ask.

FIRST

Ephesians 4:4-6, written around 61-63 A.D., states: There is one body, and one Spirit, even as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 - one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 - one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all.

QUESTION: There is eight different baptisms mentioned in the New Testament. Which one of these is the remaining baptism that the Apostle Paul speaks about and how do you come to this conclusion?

SECOND

If there is just one baptism in Ephesians 4:5, and that baptism is the baptism of the Holy Spirit

QUESTION: how come people are mentioned being baptized in water in the following scriptures in the book of Acts?

Acts 8:36 And as they went on the way, they came to a certain water, and the eunuch said, “Behold, here is water; what does hinder me to be baptized?”

Act 10:47 “Can any man forbid the water, that these should not be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit as well as we?”

THIRD

If there is just one baptism as mentioned in Ephesians 4:4-6, and that baptism is the baptism of the Holy Spirit, how come, just before Jesus ascended into heaven 10 days before Pentecost, Jesus said in Matthew

Matthew 28:19-20 Go therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit: 20 - teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you, and behold, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.

QUESTIONS:

What three things did Jesus command them to do?
Was this command to them to baptize people to be in water or in the Holy Spirit?
If it was in water, why? If was in the Holy Spirit, why?
How long are we commanded to continue to make disciples, baptized them, and continue to teach them?

FOUR

Here is a question on the gospel:

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2 - by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. 3 - For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 - and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

Robert, said, and I quote: "Paul said that were received this and we stand in it. I am standing on the fact that I have trusted in the gospel and I know that I have the Holy Spirit inside of me because I trust the gospel. I am not trusting in water, I am trusting in Jesus and His blood. Verse 2, by which also you are saved. By baptism, no, I am saved by trusting the gospel.

There is another scripture on the gospel that he did not mention. Here it is!

2 Thessalonians 1:5-10 This is a plain indication of God's righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 - For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 - and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 - dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 - These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 - when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed--for our testimony to you was believed.

QUESTION: It is necessary not only to believe the gospel, but is it necessary to obey the gospel? If it is necessary to obey the gospel, how does one obey the gospel?

For faith and believe, look in James 2:14-16 for a Biblical definition of faith.

God bless you,
Wayne

Blade · Jul 6, 2023

"I baptize you with water to show that your hearts and lives have changed. But there is one coming after me who is greater than I am, whose sandals I am not good enough to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."

Now me I would be saying "hmm I want this baptism Holy Spirit and fire that Jesus gives.

WayneKCobb · Jul 7, 2023

Blade said:

Hi Blade,

In the Bible it lists 8 different baptisms. In Ephesians 4:5 in 61 to 63 AD, about 30 years after the church started, that there was one baptism. Blade, what baptism was it and how do you know, scripturally what baptism it was?

Thanks,
Wayne

WayneKCobb · Jul 7, 2023

GRACE_ambassador said:

Correct: ONE ( Spiritual ) Baptism for today, summarized, Rightly Divided, from
two others that are not for us ( rejecting bad math):

(1) Prophecy/Covenants/Law for ISRAEL:

water baptism was man's operation, Commanded by God
to John the baptizer, and then by Christ to:

►►► The Twelve apostles who Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄

The TWO Main (of 12) baptismS =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts_10:37)
(Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25)
+
This Is The Baptism That "Christ Performed" after ascending Into Heaven:

B) Baptism WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for
power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)
Prophecy/Covenants/Law

Q: Are these TWO "still Required" By God, for us, Today, Under Grace?
Is it not UNdispensational to "practice today," what God Says is "for yesterday"?
Bible Answer:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

(2) Mystery/GRACE! =

our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY " The ONE ( Holy ) Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians_4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; ►►► 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB ◄◄◄)

This then, Under The Current Dispensation Of Grace, would make the ONE:

"Baptism By The One Holy Spirit for the forgiveness of sins," (Titus 3:5-7) eh?

Amen.

Also, there is this study: UnScriptural or UNdispensational?

If the one baptism is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit that remains and all of the rest of the 7 baptisms are null and void, what do you do with Matthew 28:19-20?

Wayne

Komentaja · Jul 7, 2023

Pilgrimshope said:

Do you believe baptism in the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost is also valid?

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