Notice Paul’s Attitude! He Did Not Believe Or Claim To Already Have Salvation, But Sought To Progressively GROW Up Into The Likeness Of Christ,

[FollowingtheWay]

More of what? I'm not disagreeing, just don't understand the statement.

In short , Living out our new position as sons and daughters now eternally secure.

 

[Radius]

Because it does not fit your understanding, but it does not be that way with others, you have said this about me before.

those who live by the law will be judged by the law.

 

[Walter]

those who live by the law will be judged by the law.

The Laws Of GOD.

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

The Laws Of GOD.

Thank you Walter for the nice and truthful posts, you are indeed a follower of Christ.

Blessings.

 

[Fundaamental]

As has been pointed out ... faith by hearing and hearing by the Word of God – Rom 10:17.

John 14:20 At that day ye shall know [Greek ginṓskō] that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

The words "shall know" are translated from the Greek word ginṓskō which means to know, especially through personal experience (first-hand acquaintance), so this is more than just a mental assent to what has been heard. It is knowing that you know.


Romans 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel of Christ] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein [in the gospel of Christ] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

The gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to all who believe ... the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith.

From faith to faith – not from works to faith or from faith to works ... from faith to faith. The life of the born again one begins in faith and the born again one is to continue to live by faith alone.

The born again one can absolutely know that he or she is in the Lord Jesus Christ and the Lord Jesus Christ is in him or her (John 14:20) ... and the born again one can absolutely know that the Lord Jesus Christ is eternal life (1 John 5:20) ... because the born again one lives by faith.

And I believe faith is a more real and dynamic reality than what we comprehend through our senses ...
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Thanks for sharing😊, for most part the feeling of assurance would be what builds your faith, I suppose as faith builds so does assurance and confidence in knowing the day will come when you see the kingdom.

The signs of the fruits become evident to, which would also be more assurance.

I still just can't boast in those infirmities knowing that I'm trusting in assurance. And character change.
It's a hard thing for me to do.

But I can say with confidence that The lord is true to his word, if that makes sense.

 

[Cameron143]

If one believes the gospel are they saved?

they shall be saved yes if they don’t stop believing and following Christ

maybe it would help if I just said this is also part of the gospel that we need to believe ? Make more sense

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and the reason we need to believe that is this

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and so we have grace that we might find repentance and be saved from perishing

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

she jas t removed our place and role he has enabled us to do our part and be saved through bekieving the gospel “ I can do all things through Christ that gives me strength “ not “ there’s nothing for me to do “

The gospel is what Jesus preached and also what Jesus did in dying for our sins he was sent to earth to preach the gospel and after he rose he sent it to all people that’s what I mean by the gospel what we find in Matthew mark Luke and John including that Jesus is the judge and his words spoken in the gospel are the judgement

This is why I believe it is so important to understand the spiritual nature of salvation. There is a supernatural transaction between God and an individual that gives the individual spiritual life. In the old days it was called conversation.
As part of this transaction, God places His Spirit in us and we are forever His. Romans 8...nothing shall separate us. Hebrews 13...He will never forsake us. This is the depth and character of God's commitment to us. We will often fail but God will never be unfaithful to us.
Also, as a part of this transaction, we are able to hear and understand and see and perceive. This allows us to interact with God as He is at work in the world and merely enjoy times of seclusion in His real and felt presence. The God who really is there is there for us to know and interact with. This is the eternal life spoken of in John 17:3. It is communion with the Father through the Son and by the Holy Spirit. It is what Jesus was referring to in John 14 and demonstrated in John 15. It is what Adam and Eve experienced before the fall but to a lesser degree.
This is what Paul counted all things as loss to know and experience. It is the life of God hidden in Christ enabled through the Spirit and to be enjoyed by every believer.
If one has not experienced what I am referring to it doesn't mean they are not a Christian. It does mean, however, there is much more to a real and vital relationship with Christ than that which you have known.

 

[Wansvic]

But you can't bring yourself to say only faith saves. You're preaching a false gospel.

Many can not bring themselves to accept the word of God...

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." James 2:17

"But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?" James 2:20

 

[ResidentAlien]

Many can not bring themselves to accept the word of God...

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." James 2:17

"But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?" James 2:20

So what's your point, we're saved by faith and works? Just want to make sure I'm clear on the version of God's word you're peddling.

 

[Wansvic]

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Paul was addressing the error that the OT mandate of circumcision was required in addition to the NT rebirth instructions first given on the Day of Pentecost. (Acts 2)

 

[Cameron143]

Great post Cameron, as I can understand, we as Christians ought to do pleasing in his sight,

Philippians 2:12 King James Version 12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

I would that you had continued through verse 13...For it is God at work in you, willing and doing of His good pleasure.

 

[Wansvic]

So what's your point, we're saved by faith and works? Just want to make sure I'm clear on the version of God's word you're peddling.

Faith without works is dead according to the word:
"Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works." James 2:18

"For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." James 2:26

 

[ResidentAlien]

Faith without works is dead according to the word:
"Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works." James 2:18

"For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." James 2:26

The mere fact you're working so hard to evade my direct question tells me all I need to know. I don't have time to waste with these mind games. Goodbye.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

John 6:63

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭

“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Faith without works is dead according to the word:
"Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works." James 2:18

"For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." James 2:26

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even darkness which may be felt.

( if Moses doesn’t do his part obeying the word of faith nothing will happen )

And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days: they saw not one another, neither rose any from his place for three days: but all the children of Israel had light in their dwellings.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭10:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gods word is always true if we act like it’s true that’s faith

 

[Magenta]

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life,
and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.” John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭

John 5:24

 

[reneweddaybyday]

for most part the feeling of assurance would be what builds your faith, I suppose as faith builds so does assurance and confidence in knowing the day will come when you see the kingdom.

faith is strengthened by God within us as we continuously rely on Him. And it seems we turn to God when the going gets tough ... but have you ever turned to God in times of joy? ... include God in the good times???

I still just can't boast in those infirmities knowing that I'm trusting in assurance. And character change.
It's a hard thing for me to do.

But I can say with confidence that The lord is true to his word, if that makes sense.

yes, He is faithful Who promised ...

Hebrews 10:22-23 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised)
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[Pilgrimshope]

John 5:24

“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.

My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭55:3‬ ‭

“But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:23, KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[VARob]

Paul was addressing the error that the OT mandate of circumcision was required in addition to the NT rebirth instructions first given on the Day of Pentecost. (Acts 2)

Paul was addressing far more than circumcision.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Paul was addressing far more than circumcision.

There’s always more that’s what the op is pointing to

The ot is a pattern of the new like circumcision

“And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:10-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is spoken to those who had chosen to be baptized to teach them what it meant when they got baptized , it’s tantamount to circumcision in the ot same purpose but reality rather than a blueprint

 

[VARob]

There’s always more that’s what the op is pointing to

The ot is a pattern of the new like circumcision

“And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:10-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is spoken to those who had chosen to be baptized to teach them what it meant when they got baptized , it’s tantamount to circumcision in the ot same purpose but reality rather than a blueprint

I do not believe water baptism is required. There is one baptism that matters (Eph 4:5) and that's baptism in the Holy Spirit, the Christian new birth.