problem related to praying in tongues

[VARob]

FALSE!!! Sometime the tongues are understood often with even the correct regional accent.

That is exceedingly rare, and almost never happens, which again, that's why tongues, when spoken in public, must be interpreted.

Doesn't matter how many time you repeat an error. It's still a FALSE TEACHING, and your cites don't back up your claim.

Scripture citations do not convince you?

1 Cor 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

1 Cor 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

 

[VARob]

Whether or not there's an Interpretation following is a clue.

No it isn't. A Christian can speak in tongues at will, any time he wants. Interpretation is not required unless the person speaks in tongues aloud in a group. Whether there's an interpretation or not is not indicative that a tongue was legit.

I recall an instance in Marion Ohio at an FGBMFI meeting some years ago:
A man got up and spoke in tongues. The fellow on my immediate left stood and began the interpretation. while he was speaking I was burdened to interpret. then he stopped in mid message, and I immediately took over from where he'd stopped, and spoke what the Holy Spirit gave me for about 35-40 seconds or so, and then the flow of words stopped, so I did too. Immediately, the fellow on my right stood, and continued from where I'd stopped, and finished the message.

OBVIOUSLY the Holy Spirit WILL NOT "interpret" something that He didn't say.

Interesting...

Your next comment will probably be "How do I know the Interpretation is "real".

Nope.

Since it's essentially "Prophesy", then "the others" should judge according to 1 Cor 14:29.

Interpretation of tongues is not prophecy. Tongues is speaking TO God, so the interpretation will be TO God. Prophecy is words of edification, exhortation, and comfort FROM God TO believers.

I'm glad we're both at least trying to do what the Bible says, Bob. That's something...

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

That is exceedingly rare, and almost never happens, which again, that's why tongues, when spoken in public, must be interpreted.

WHt makes you think that it's all the rare?? Have you moved in Pentecostal, Charismatic circles for the last 58 years like I have????

Scripture citations do not convince you?

Sure they do!!! but YOUR PRIVATE INTERPRETATION doesn't interest me at all.

 

[CS1]

Thanks for explaining all this.

Your first response sounds like you've got a bee in your your bonet.

I can't think why, but maybe you've heard the same argument I've proposed from a cessationist.

Funny thing tho I'm not one.

The Gift of tounges is a Gift from the holy spirit for Christians now.
But it's safe to say with this Gift you don't possess it.
Who can speak by the gift of tounges unless by the spirit.

And yes it says its for edification, and yes its A direct communication between a believer and God.

But I think you forget when your speaking to the father then the edification you hear might not just be about encouragement, as in a way of all loving and full of compassion in the way the holy spirit would speak to you.

When the father speaks to you direct, then you need to listen, because under normal circumstances you would only speak to the holy spirit.

Speaking in tounges was also something the father did when he spoke to his people in the old testament,

Let's see you answer this,

Are we still his people.

And are we going to dismiss acts 2 completely.

Seems to me When tounges are spoken repentance follows or an act of putting something right to.

Is edification just about encouragement or is it also about correcting

My view the gift of tounges is the father speaking himself.

I don't know what yours is.

Don't wear a bonnet I'm a man.


And you don't know what I possess or what my gifting is so in your response you provide just conjecture and no Biblical edification.

In your Post you said:


"It quite common to see dissociation of the spirit.

If the gift of tounges is not for communicating with each other why is one person needed to speak it and another needed to interpret.

Isn't the gift of tounges to shock unbelievers into repentance,

How do the unbelievers become shocked if there's no telepathic communication involved "


"But it's safe to say with this Gift you don't possess it."


"But I think you forget when your speaking to the father then the edification you hear might not just be about encouragement, as in a way of all loving and full of compassion in the way the holy spirit would speak to you."


"When the father speaks to you direct, then you need to listen, because under normal circumstances you would only speak to the holy spirit.

Speaking in tounges was also something the father did when he spoke to his people in the old testament,

Let's see you answer this,"


That is all nice and fine but that is not what the chapters in 1cor 12 through 14 teach.


God speaks to his people. God has spoken to us in HIS word And the Holy Spirit Leads us into all Truth Who is Jesus. That is why The Holy Spirit will not speak of Himself AS Jesus sAID IN JOHN Chapters 14 THROUGH 16.


God s the "Speaking " so yes he spoke in language for He created them.

 

[VARob]

My view the gift of tounges is the father speaking himself.

The Bible says that when a person speaks in tongues he is speaking TO God. It's not God speaking, but the person is speaking to God (1 Cor 14:2).

 

[CS1]

That is exceedingly rare, and almost never happens, which again, that's why tongues, when spoken in public, must be interpreted.


Scripture citations do not convince you?

1 Cor 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

1 Cor 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

amen


That what it says.

 

[VARob]

WHt makes you think that it's all the rare?? Have you moved in Pentecostal, Charismatic circles for the last 58 years like I have????

You have me beat by about 8 years.

Your church meetings must consist of people who know many different languages.
In our meetings, nearly everyone speaks only English.

Sure they do!!! but YOUR PRIVATE INTERPRETATION doesn't interest me at all.

lol... Can you explain how quoting scripture verbatim, with no ancillary explanation, is privately interpreting it?

 

[Fundaamental]

Don't wear a bonnet I'm a man.


And you don't know what I possess or what my gifting is so in your response you provide just conjecture and no Biblical edification.

In your Post you said:


"It quite common to see dissociation of the spirit.

If the gift of tounges is not for communicating with each other why is one person needed to speak it and another needed to interpret.

Isn't the gift of tounges to shock unbelievers into repentance,

How do the unbelievers become shocked if there's no telepathic communication involved "


"But it's safe to say with this Gift you don't possess it."


"But I think you forget when your speaking to the father then the edification you hear might not just be about encouragement, as in a way of all loving and full of compassion in the way the holy spirit would speak to you."


"When the father speaks to you direct, then you need to listen, because under normal circumstances you would only speak to the holy spirit.

Speaking in tounges was also something the father did when he spoke to his people in the old testament,

Let's see you answer this,"


That is all nice and fine but that is not what the chapters in 1cor 12 through 14 teach.


God speaks to his people. God has spoken to us in HIS word And the Holy Spirit Leads us into all Truth Who is Jesus. That is why The Holy Spirit will not speak of Himself AS Jesus sAID IN JOHN Chapters 14 THROUGH 16.


God s the "Speaking " so yes he spoke in language for He created them.

we can't just use CORINTHIANS to suit are ideas when we see acts using definitions of the purpose of tounges too,

I don't know where you stand here but are you suggesting the gift of tounges is no longer about God the father speaking to his people through one person.

 

[Fundaamental]

Don't wear a bonnet I'm a man.

a bee in your bonnet means a bee in your car.

Bonnet mean something what you Yankees call a car hood. You know the door that sits on top of your engine 😋.

Lol but seeing as you mention it, you could get a bee in your kilt.

Do you know what one of them is ?.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

The Bible says that when a person speaks in tongues he is speaking TO God. It's not God speaking, but the person is speaking to God (1 Cor 14:2).

since Tongues cannot just happen, the Holy Spirit must give the Utterance first, it is God speaking through man things that only God can understand.

 

[VARob]

we can't just use CORINTHIANS to suit are ideas when we see acts using definitions of the purpose of tounges too,

I don't know where you stand here but are you suggesting the gift of tounges is no longer about God the father speaking to his people through one person.

Speaking in tongues was never about God the Father speaking to His people through one person.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

No it isn't. A Christian can speak in tongues at will, any time he wants.

True. I've spoken in tongues since 1973, and I can certainly do it at will. I HAVE NEVER been burdened to deliver a message in tongues in a meeting, so I haven't. The Holy Spirit choreographs the gifts according to HIS will. I've only been burdened to Interpret.

Interpretation is not required unless the person speaks in tongues aloud in a group.

Also True. since otherwise the message would be useless.

Whether there's an interpretation or not is not indicative that a tongue was legit.

So explain why a message FROM GOD in tongues given in a meeting WOULD NOT BE INTERPRETED if it's genuine.

Observation: We had a fellow in Celina, Ohio AG who would blat off in tongues EVERY MEETING , and his "tongue" was always the SAME - idiot simple - same words, same order, same length.

SO I wrote him off as a phony - showing off. But in '73 I was "baptized in the Holy Spirit" (as the AG calls it), and no long after I was burdened to Interpret one of that fellow's "Tongues". And then I learned to be less judgemental - God has a sense of humor.

Interpretation of tongues is not prophecy. Tongues is speaking TO God, so the interpretation will be TO God.

FALSE!!! Tongues as a prayer language is the Holy Spirit "Speaking to God".

Tongues given in a meeting is the Holy Spirit SPEAKING TO THE CHURCH. Prophesy is Words spoken BY the Holy Spirit in the common tongue TO THE CHURCH so they can be understood. The only difference between "Prophesy and Interpretation is that there are no "Tongues" before Prophesy. Since BOTH are messages FROM GOD to His people, they're identical in purpose. "Word of Wisdom", and "Word of Knowledge" are also subsets of Prophesy.

I'm glad we're both at least trying to do what the Bible says, Bob. That's something...

The 'ol Iron sharpening Iron trick -

 

[VARob]

since Tongues cannot just happen, the Holy Spirit must give the Utterance first, it is God speaking through man things that only God can understand.

When a person speaks in tongues, which he can do any time he wants to, it is always the Gift of Holy Spirit that gives the utterance.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

Speaking in tongues was never about God the Father speaking to His people through one person.

Except, of course, that Acts 2:4 is all about God speaking to his people.

 

[Fundaamental]

Speaking in tongues was never about God the Father speaking to His people through one person.

oh if you say so was prophesy neither ?

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

You have me beat by about 8 years.

Your church meetings must consist of people who know many different languages.
In our meetings, nearly everyone speaks only English.

We're about 1/3 white, 1/3 black, and the last third is "Other" Hispanic oriental, middle eastern, etc. Pretty much like the demographics in South Dallas.

lol... Can you explain how quoting scripture verbatim, with no ancillary explanation, is privately interpreting it?

The Interpretation is in the application you're making, and the limitations your placing on it.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

since Tongues cannot just happen, the Holy Spirit must give the Utterance first,

Absolutely.

it is God speaking through man things that only God can understand.

But he breaks it down for us, so we can be edified by it.

 

[Fundaamental]

Just for you @CS1

A proper bonnet but you wouldn't a bee there ha.

Start to sing from the same hymnbook 😊

 

[CS1]

we can't just use CORINTHIANS to suit are ideas when we see acts using definitions of the purpose of tounges too,

I don't know where you stand here but are you suggesting the gift of tounges is no longer about God the father speaking to his people through one person.

What I believe the gifts of the Holy Spirit are for as told to us in 1cor chapters 12 through 14 and with what Jesus said in John 14 through 16 chapters

The Holy Spirit is for us, The Believer one who is saved:

• To be a witness. Acts 1:8 Jesus speaking
• lead us and guide us into all Truth
• Bring into remembrance all Jesus said
• gifts are given to the Body for edification, comfort, and teaching
• for power evangelism, as shown in the Book of Acts

The operation of Tongues and interpretation is God speaking to the Body and to the person to build them up. That being said, the Primary way is HIS word. Therefore, because God's word is Perfect and man is not, WE judge what we believe God is SAYING through the gifts of the Spirit (tongues and interpretation & Prophesying) In light of the word of God.


If what was given in tongues and interpretation is not in line with the word of God, it is to be rejected outright. One must be able to

• discern
• judge by the word of God
• be confirmed by the mouth of two or three witnesses
• the end result must comfort, edify, exhort
• Bring Glory to God and Speak of Jesus.

 

[VARob]

True. I've spoken in tongues since 1973,

1975 for me.

and I can certainly do it at will. I HAVE NEVER been burdened to deliver a message in tongues in a meeting, so I haven't. The Holy Spirit choreographs the gifts according to HIS will. I've only been burdened to Interpret.

So explain why a message FROM GOD in tongues given in a meeting WOULD NOT BE INTERPRETED if it's genuine.

Because people have free will. God does not force anyone to speak in tongues, nor will He force the person to interpret. People need to be taught, which Paul was doing in his epistle.

Observation: We had a fellow in Celina, Ohio AG who would blat off in tongues EVERY MEETING , and his "tongue" was always the SAME - idiot simple - same words, same order, same length.

SO I wrote him off as a phony - showing off. But in '73 I was "baptized in the Holy Spirit" (as the AG calls it), and no long after I was burdened to Interpret one of that fellow's "Tongues". And then I learned to be less judgemental - God has a sense of humor.

Some legitimate languages are very simple.

FALSE!!! Tongues as a prayer language is the Holy Spirit "Speaking to God".

It's the PERSON speaking in tongues to God.

1 Cor 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

Tongues given in a meeting is the Holy Spirit SPEAKING TO THE CHURCH.

Scripture?

Prophesy is Words spoken BY the Holy Spirit in the common tongue TO THE CHURCH so they can be understood. The only difference between "Prophesy and Interpretation is that there are no "Tongues" before Prophesy. Since BOTH are messages FROM GOD to His people, they're identical in purpose.

Again, is there a scripture that says when a person speaks in tongues in the church it is the Holy Spirit speaking TO the church? 1 Cor 14:2 explicitly states that when a person speaks in tongues he is speaking TO God.

My church used to believe as you do, that prophecy and interpretation of tongues was essentially the same thing: God speaking to the church. But there is no verse that says when a person speaks in tongues it is God speaking to the church. It's not there. 1 Cor 14:2 says that when a person speaks in tongues he is speaking to God. Acts 2:11 says that the apostles were speaking the wonderful works of God. Acts 10:46 says that Cornelius and his family were magnifying God. 1 Cor 14:17 says that when a person speaks in tongues he is giving thanks well. If those are the things that the Bible says speaking in tongues is, then the interpretation of tongues should reflect that.

"Word of Wisdom", and "Word of Knowledge" are also subsets of Prophesy.

I believe those two manifestations are God giving you information (knowledge) and what to do with it (wisdom) in situations that you wouldn't know anything about by your five senses. It's revelation from God.

The 'ol Iron sharpening Iron trick -

Sometimes it works, sometimes if we're not careful it turns into hacking each other up.