So why are you arguing with me without cause? Did you read VARob's responses, since you are agreeing with me, while he is twisting the Scriptures and I am quoting them? VARob dismissed the clear reference to Christ which applied to Melchizedek -- "without father, without mother, without descent, without beginning of days, or end of life". So it looks like you did not even read what I had posted.
To the sons of God: The Priesthood of Melchizedek
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I’m not arguing brother I’m saying your arguing against what’s written not against what someone isn’t twisting
melchezidek isn’t jesus , he’s made like jesus a figure of jesus who would come later. In the Bible if you look there’s no geneology no father of mother recorded no death recorded no ascention down from or up to heaven is what that’s saying Jesus of course has a recorded mother melchezidek is like Jesus in that he doesn’t have an earthly geneology even as much as Jesus does both rough David’s line of promise
Do you see what I’m saying ? I may have totally misunderstood if so I sincerely apologize but what I read I think I may have responded to vrob thinking it was you or something
melchezidek isn’t jesus , he’s made like jesus a figure of jesus who would come later. In the Bible if you look there’s no geneology no father of mother recorded no death recorded no ascention down from or up to heaven is what that’s saying Jesus of course has a recorded mother melchezidek is like Jesus in that he doesn’t have an earthly geneology even as much as Jesus does both rough David’s line of promise
Do you see what I’m saying ? I may have totally misunderstood if so I sincerely apologize but what I read I think I may have responded to vrob thinking it was you or something
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Oops. I thought you were replying to me. :/
I agree with you that Melchizedek was not Christ Jesus. And he is not called Shem in the scriptures although there is good evidence that he was Shem. It is not uncommon for God to change the names of primary actors in order to emphasize His point. In this example only his title is used making any connection with Noah unimportant.
The point God was making is that the priestly line from which salvation would come would not be tied to human lineage. By Jesus’ own words, we might have to willingly give up our own fleshly lineage to be counted as His own possession.
What is even more amazing is that in Christ we are connected to this line.
I agree with you that Melchizedek was not Christ Jesus. And he is not called Shem in the scriptures although there is good evidence that he was Shem. It is not uncommon for God to change the names of primary actors in order to emphasize His point. In this example only his title is used making any connection with Noah unimportant.
The point God was making is that the priestly line from which salvation would come would not be tied to human lineage. By Jesus’ own words, we might have to willingly give up our own fleshly lineage to be counted as His own possession.
What is even more amazing is that in Christ we are connected to this line.
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One of the best things about the references to Melchizedek in Hebrews is that it takes us to Psalm 110. Hebrews again shows us that the Psalms are Son, Spirit and Father speaking or being quoted. Psalm 110 is a great example as the NT shows us.
Psalm 110
A Psalm by David.
(Spirit quotes Father to Son)
110:1 YHVH says to my 'Adown, “Sit at My right hand,
until I make Your enemies Your footstool for Your feet.”
(Spirit to Son)
110:2 YHVH will send forth
the rod of Your strength out of Zion.
Rule in the midst of Your enemies.
110:3 Your people offer themselves willingly in
the day of Your power, in holy array.
Out of the womb of the morning,
You have the dew of Your youth.
(Spirit quotes Father to Son)
110:4 YHVH has sworn, and will not change His mind:
“You are a Priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.”
(Spirit to Father about Son)
110:5 The 'Adonay is at Your right hand.
He will crush kings in the day of His wrath.
110:6 He will judge among the nations.
He will heap up dead bodies.
He will crush the ruler of the whole earth.
110:7 He will drink of the brook in the way;
therefore He will lift up His head.
Psalm 110
A Psalm by David.
(Spirit quotes Father to Son)
110:1 YHVH says to my 'Adown, “Sit at My right hand,
until I make Your enemies Your footstool for Your feet.”
(Spirit to Son)
110:2 YHVH will send forth
the rod of Your strength out of Zion.
Rule in the midst of Your enemies.
110:3 Your people offer themselves willingly in
the day of Your power, in holy array.
Out of the womb of the morning,
You have the dew of Your youth.
(Spirit quotes Father to Son)
110:4 YHVH has sworn, and will not change His mind:
“You are a Priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.”
(Spirit to Father about Son)
110:5 The 'Adonay is at Your right hand.
He will crush kings in the day of His wrath.
110:6 He will judge among the nations.
He will heap up dead bodies.
He will crush the ruler of the whole earth.
110:7 He will drink of the brook in the way;
therefore He will lift up His head.
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Genesis 14
18 Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of EL Most High(EL Elyon). 19 He blessed him, and said, “Blessed be Abram of Elyon EL, Possessor of heaven and earth. 20 Blessed be EL Elyon, Who has delivered your enemies into your hand.”
Abram gave him a tenth of all.
His name means King of Righteousness and he was King of Salem or King of Peace. He brought out bread and wine.
18 Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of EL Most High(EL Elyon). 19 He blessed him, and said, “Blessed be Abram of Elyon EL, Possessor of heaven and earth. 20 Blessed be EL Elyon, Who has delivered your enemies into your hand.”
Abram gave him a tenth of all.
His name means King of Righteousness and he was King of Salem or King of Peace. He brought out bread and wine.
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Could the point the writer in Hebrews is making be that there is no mention of Melchizedek's genealogy in the OT? He obviously represents Messiah as Hebrews 7 explains. His Name means King of Righteousness and He is King of Salem or King of Peace. Yet He is also a Priest. Messiah is King of Righteousness and King of Peace and our High Priest in the order of Melchizedek. He is King and High Priest because of what He did to save us and Who He is.
Hebrews 2
13 Again, “I will put My trust in Him.” Again, “Behold, here I am with the children whom YAH has given Me.” 14 Since then the children have shared in flesh and blood, He also Himself in the same way partook of the same, that through death He might bring to nothing him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and might deliver all of them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For most certainly, He doesn’t give help to angels, but He gives help to the offspring of Abraham. 17 Therefore He was obligated in all things to be made like His brothers, that He might become a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to YAH, to make atonement for the sins of the people. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered being tempted, He is able to help those who are tempted.
Hebrews 2
13 Again, “I will put My trust in Him.” Again, “Behold, here I am with the children whom YAH has given Me.” 14 Since then the children have shared in flesh and blood, He also Himself in the same way partook of the same, that through death He might bring to nothing him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and might deliver all of them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For most certainly, He doesn’t give help to angels, but He gives help to the offspring of Abraham. 17 Therefore He was obligated in all things to be made like His brothers, that He might become a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to YAH, to make atonement for the sins of the people. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered being tempted, He is able to help those who are tempted.
There is a possibility that Paul may have believed that Melchizedek was a manifestation of Christ. We are mostly unaware of the teachings that Paul received, and scripture reports Joshua meeting the captain of the host of the Lord and worshipping Him, as well as the three Hebrew children in the fiery furnace with someone with the form like the Son of God. It can be argued that Jesus the Christ visited earth in these forms. It would be folly to assume God can only have one appearance.
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If Melchizedek was the King of the City of(Jeru) peace(Shaloam) Jerusalem, Did Jerusalem exist at that time? If not, then was this The Jesus of Millennial Jerusalem? I think so. Because the Bible says that Abram was looking for a City not made by human hands. Jesus appears many times in the OT. Some Bible Scholars call these appearances "Pre Incarnate Christ" not born of a woman yet. Paul Prophesied Scripture. He wrote it. I find no error or Pauline influence in his writing. If he says that Melchizedek had no Human Mother or Father, that can only be One Person. Guess Who. No beginning and no end is another way to say it.
Making Melchizedek a manifestation of Christ, as if Jesus were walking the earth in the OT, neuters the power of the ministry of reconciliation, in my opinion.
That way of thinking creates an ethereal Christ who is shrouded in mysteries we have no permission to understand. Furthermore, it establishes a barrier of understanding our own place in the priestly order of Melchizedek: whereby we, common men and women, are actually included in Him to present the Father in the earth. In Him, we are the light of the world. In Him, we are the manifestation of God in the earth.
That way of thinking creates an ethereal Christ who is shrouded in mysteries we have no permission to understand. Furthermore, it establishes a barrier of understanding our own place in the priestly order of Melchizedek: whereby we, common men and women, are actually included in Him to present the Father in the earth. In Him, we are the light of the world. In Him, we are the manifestation of God in the earth.
yeah I think that’s what happened with me I was replying to another comment
Yeah brother it’s definately mysterious I myself don’t see any evidence that melchezidek is Shem but that doesn’t mean it’s not there I just myself can’t see it
all I see is melchezidek has no biblical geneology like it states and that he was preist of God most high before the law was ever in the world and Aaron’s line was thus ordained until Christ came in the order of the original preisthood of melchezidek . Also that he brought forth bread and wine to Abraham and he blessed Abraham and blessed God blessing the covenant between Abraham and God
As always though anything I say is just my own thought of what scripture just plainly says .
I believe in “ not going beyond what is written “ as the apostle Paul said there’s a lot we can learn from what is written without having to figure anything out or interpret things that aren’t there if we follow simplicity it becomes simple and leads to one place but again it’s just a foolish old man’s view
Yeah brother it’s definately mysterious I myself don’t see any evidence that melchezidek is Shem but that doesn’t mean it’s not there I just myself can’t see it
all I see is melchezidek has no biblical geneology like it states and that he was preist of God most high before the law was ever in the world and Aaron’s line was thus ordained until Christ came in the order of the original preisthood of melchezidek . Also that he brought forth bread and wine to Abraham and he blessed Abraham and blessed God blessing the covenant between Abraham and God
As always though anything I say is just my own thought of what scripture just plainly says .
I believe in “ not going beyond what is written “ as the apostle Paul said there’s a lot we can learn from what is written without having to figure anything out or interpret things that aren’t there if we follow simplicity it becomes simple and leads to one place but again it’s just a foolish old man’s view
I also believe this and I can see it. However, it should be noted that Paul was writing to carnal believers in 1st Corinthians and that he “went beyond what was written“ in his second letter to the Corinthians, and his next epistle, etc. It behooves us to understand the scripture in its full context.
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It has been taught that Melchizedek is Shem, which means "the Name," in rabbinical tradition but then, even though interpretations differ among them, most of them would never consider this might have been the t. So, especially given that Melchizedek is not called anything other than that and we can only go by evidence, it doesn't seem to me that we should rule out any possibility without thoroughly considering it.
^I'd summarize the "order of Melchizedek" to mean an eternal office.
^I'd summarize the "order of Melchizedek" to mean an eternal office.
There is really no one like Jesus. It is often lightly overlooked that God is one being, the supreme being. One, who is the heavenly Father, and Logos, the Word with God who is God, along with the Spirit of God. In full unity as one in agreement and purpose, the three are not separate beings but in unity as one. There is no contract that makes this fuller, the three could not be more in unity than they are by essence.
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John 1:1 + 14a
John 1:3, 10 KJV
“Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.”
John 8:58-59 KJV
“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
John 17:5
Jesus is the creator he just revealed himself in the nt
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