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Amen.
“worlds (plural), the "aions" past, present, and future, which are the three world ages”
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
- 2 Peter 3:5-14 (KJV)
selah
“worlds (plural), the "aions" past, present, and future, which are the three world ages”
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
- 2 Peter 3:5-14 (KJV)
selah
Yes there are 3 world ages as stated in 2nd Peter.
Simply put you have Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
I am going to use 2 different versions of the bible which I do not normally do. The King James and the Brenton's Septuagint Translation. The Septuagint was the Old Testament written in Greek for the non Hebrew believers so that they would have the scriptures in a language they could understand.
King James
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
The actual name in the Hebrew is ראשׁ - - Be rê'shîyth – ba-ray-sheeth' which means, “In the beginning”, and that’s exactly what it covers, “In the beginning”. Now, as we cover this I want you to think for yourself, “When was the beginning?” That’s very important. We have many channels of thought in this direction of how old the earth is. We have many reports from the scientific community. We have certain [reports] from the “unlearned” I will say, religious community. We have some [reports] from the religious community that are pretty well right on, and I trust that we fall into that category.
Genesis has many likenesses, even if you would, to the Apocalypse -that is to say, to the Book of Revelation. Satan fell in the first chapter of Genesis, when we know what the Hebrew is speaking of, and he’s kicked out of heaven in the Book of Revelation in chapter 12. The tree of life is taken away from man in the Book of Genesis; it’s given back in the book of Revelation.,The earth became chaotic in the first chapter of the Book of Genesis, and it was rejuvenated or made anew in the Book of Revelation. You could almost teach the Book of Revelation from the Book of Genesis; if you were to use God’s record and understand as we go why God does things. Why did He destroy the first earth age? And that’s why you must be aware of the first earth age and we’re going to document it, probably in this lecture, if we get that far along, whereby you will know and understand there was an earth age before this one. That’s why that science and as well as anyone that has an eye or anyone who has studied archeology or geology can tell you how old this earth is; it’s millions of years old and God’s word declares it is. There’s no argument there with a learned person from God’s word.
So with that having been said, let’s get right into it, Genesis, in the beginning, chapter one, verse one and it reads:
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Notice the two, both heaven and earth, and then, “period”. Did it say when? Of course it did not. It simply states, that in the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. You know I want to do something. Who was with God when He accomplished this? You have to find that out in the book of Proverbs and it’s in the eighth chapter of Proverbs, and this is Wisdom speaking. Wisdom was with the Father at that time. We’re going to take a little time. I want to do this whereby you follow along. The eighth Proverb, verse twenty-two, and it reads:
Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way,
Again, “in the beginning”
before his works of old.
Even before that works of old which is to say the first earth age; Wisdom naturally was with Him. Why? Because all wisdom flows from God.
Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
Before the earth was even formed, even in the first earth age, I was with Him. That’s to say wisdom was.
Pro 8:24 When there were no depths,
That means when there was no ocean;
I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Wisdom was with the Father.
Pro 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
I was here [Wisdom speaking].
Pro 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
That means not the least little atom of the world; Wisdom was with Him. Why did I cover those verses? Because I want you to see that many things are mentioned in God’s word concerning this subject and people are simply not aware of them.
Now, do you think that God ever created anything in chaos? Do you think God ever created something bad coming out-the-gate? The answer to that is no. Why? Because wisdom was with Him before the first stone of this world was formed. And wisdom does not agree with chaos. Now, how did chaos come about then?
Well let’s read, let’s understand. Verse two: back in Genesis Chapter one.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was1961without form,8414and void;922 and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved
I repeat “moved”
upon the face of the waters.
Now this would be very hard to understand if you didn’t understand a little bit about the Hebrew manuscripts. This would read in the second verse as though God created it void and without form. Now this term in the Hebrew is to'-hoo bo'-hoo
H8414 tôhû-to'-hoo
From an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), that is, desert; figuratively a worthless thing; adverbially in vain: - confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.
H922
bôhû - bo'-hoo
From an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, that is, (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin: - emptiness, void.
You with Companion Bibles, it will back me up, or you can take your Strong’s Concordance and check it out. The truth hinges on the second word, which is to say in this verse; uh…the fourth word I should say, in the English, is the word “was”. That’s not correct actually. I want to pull up if we may, the Hebrew word that is utilized for “was” and you will find that it is:
H1961
היה - hâyâh - haw-yaw'
A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - beacon, X altogether, be (-come, accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), continue, do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-) self, require, X use.
In other words, the world wasn’t created void and without form, it “became” void and without form. When? When Satan rebelled, when a third of God’s children began to follow Satan; there was turmoil and God did destroy that first earth age and brought in this earth age.
So what you’re talking about here as we begin this next verse here in a little bit, (we’re going to do a lot of documenting of what I’m saying first) there was the overthrow of Satan’s power spoken of in Ezekiel 28 as to how he was actually an arch angel that was supposed to cover the mercy seat as it is written in that twenty-eighth chapter of Ezekiel. And he began to take pride within himself, and he began to have the children of God worship him instead of God, because of one thing –pride, pride within self. So it’s important that you know the earth wasn’t made that way it became void and without form. Why? God destroyed that that was. And it is written, and I’ll be most happy to document that for you.
Let’s go if we may to the great prophet Isaiah, Isaiah chapter 45. Let’s read of this and remember what I said, that void, tôhû, is “without form”, absolute chaos, meaning there is zip, nada, nothing. And in that forty-fifth chapter, the eighteenth verse of the great Book of Isaiah it reads, listen carefully:
Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it;
He did what? He formed it and he made it.
He1 hath established it, he created it not in vain,8414
Not in tôhû.
he formed3335 it to be inhabited:3427
Not to be destroyed. He formed it, He made it, He created it good. To be inhabited by who? His children.
I am the LORD; and there is none else.
So there is one documentation that the earth was not created without form. It was not created void. He created it [to be] beautiful. This is why from the world that was we can find mammoth in the Tundra (the ice in Alaska) still with buttercups, that near the north pole, in their mouths; lush lagoons, growing even in that part of the world. That’s why we can find palm trees at the poles. Not to mention the petrified woods that are left behind documenting that is was a beautiful time. It was a beautiful place until the earth became void and without form, that is to say, before God destroyed it. That’s not the way He created it. He created it to inhabited, and then it became that way, without form.
Verse nineteen, God continues to speak:
Isa 45:19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain:
That is to say tôhû again.
I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
So if God declares things that are right then whey should there be dissension, disputes, all you really have to do is clearly listen to what the Father says. He did not create the earth in a chaotic form, it became that way because of Satan’s rebellion and we’ll document it even further yet.
You know there is one chapter… as a matter of fact let’s go to the New Testament. Let’s see what the New Testament has to say when you have the ability to think for a moment and leave off the traditions of men and let God speak to you. He doesn’t hide the truth. It isn’t hidden; you just read it for yourself if you take a moment to check it out.
Word count getting up there more to follow
Simply put you have Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
I am going to use 2 different versions of the bible which I do not normally do. The King James and the Brenton's Septuagint Translation. The Septuagint was the Old Testament written in Greek for the non Hebrew believers so that they would have the scriptures in a language they could understand.
King James
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
The actual name in the Hebrew is ראשׁ - - Be rê'shîyth – ba-ray-sheeth' which means, “In the beginning”, and that’s exactly what it covers, “In the beginning”. Now, as we cover this I want you to think for yourself, “When was the beginning?” That’s very important. We have many channels of thought in this direction of how old the earth is. We have many reports from the scientific community. We have certain [reports] from the “unlearned” I will say, religious community. We have some [reports] from the religious community that are pretty well right on, and I trust that we fall into that category.
Genesis has many likenesses, even if you would, to the Apocalypse -that is to say, to the Book of Revelation. Satan fell in the first chapter of Genesis, when we know what the Hebrew is speaking of, and he’s kicked out of heaven in the Book of Revelation in chapter 12. The tree of life is taken away from man in the Book of Genesis; it’s given back in the book of Revelation.,The earth became chaotic in the first chapter of the Book of Genesis, and it was rejuvenated or made anew in the Book of Revelation. You could almost teach the Book of Revelation from the Book of Genesis; if you were to use God’s record and understand as we go why God does things. Why did He destroy the first earth age? And that’s why you must be aware of the first earth age and we’re going to document it, probably in this lecture, if we get that far along, whereby you will know and understand there was an earth age before this one. That’s why that science and as well as anyone that has an eye or anyone who has studied archeology or geology can tell you how old this earth is; it’s millions of years old and God’s word declares it is. There’s no argument there with a learned person from God’s word.
So with that having been said, let’s get right into it, Genesis, in the beginning, chapter one, verse one and it reads:
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Notice the two, both heaven and earth, and then, “period”. Did it say when? Of course it did not. It simply states, that in the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. You know I want to do something. Who was with God when He accomplished this? You have to find that out in the book of Proverbs and it’s in the eighth chapter of Proverbs, and this is Wisdom speaking. Wisdom was with the Father at that time. We’re going to take a little time. I want to do this whereby you follow along. The eighth Proverb, verse twenty-two, and it reads:
Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way,
Again, “in the beginning”
before his works of old.
Even before that works of old which is to say the first earth age; Wisdom naturally was with Him. Why? Because all wisdom flows from God.
Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
Before the earth was even formed, even in the first earth age, I was with Him. That’s to say wisdom was.
Pro 8:24 When there were no depths,
That means when there was no ocean;
I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Wisdom was with the Father.
Pro 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
I was here [Wisdom speaking].
Pro 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
That means not the least little atom of the world; Wisdom was with Him. Why did I cover those verses? Because I want you to see that many things are mentioned in God’s word concerning this subject and people are simply not aware of them.
Now, do you think that God ever created anything in chaos? Do you think God ever created something bad coming out-the-gate? The answer to that is no. Why? Because wisdom was with Him before the first stone of this world was formed. And wisdom does not agree with chaos. Now, how did chaos come about then?
Well let’s read, let’s understand. Verse two: back in Genesis Chapter one.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was1961without form,8414and void;922 and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved
I repeat “moved”
upon the face of the waters.
Now this would be very hard to understand if you didn’t understand a little bit about the Hebrew manuscripts. This would read in the second verse as though God created it void and without form. Now this term in the Hebrew is to'-hoo bo'-hoo
H8414 tôhû-to'-hoo
From an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), that is, desert; figuratively a worthless thing; adverbially in vain: - confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.
H922
bôhû - bo'-hoo
From an unused root (meaning to be empty); a vacuity, that is, (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin: - emptiness, void.
You with Companion Bibles, it will back me up, or you can take your Strong’s Concordance and check it out. The truth hinges on the second word, which is to say in this verse; uh…the fourth word I should say, in the English, is the word “was”. That’s not correct actually. I want to pull up if we may, the Hebrew word that is utilized for “was” and you will find that it is:
H1961
היה - hâyâh - haw-yaw'
A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - beacon, X altogether, be (-come, accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), continue, do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-) self, require, X use.
In other words, the world wasn’t created void and without form, it “became” void and without form. When? When Satan rebelled, when a third of God’s children began to follow Satan; there was turmoil and God did destroy that first earth age and brought in this earth age.
So what you’re talking about here as we begin this next verse here in a little bit, (we’re going to do a lot of documenting of what I’m saying first) there was the overthrow of Satan’s power spoken of in Ezekiel 28 as to how he was actually an arch angel that was supposed to cover the mercy seat as it is written in that twenty-eighth chapter of Ezekiel. And he began to take pride within himself, and he began to have the children of God worship him instead of God, because of one thing –pride, pride within self. So it’s important that you know the earth wasn’t made that way it became void and without form. Why? God destroyed that that was. And it is written, and I’ll be most happy to document that for you.
Let’s go if we may to the great prophet Isaiah, Isaiah chapter 45. Let’s read of this and remember what I said, that void, tôhû, is “without form”, absolute chaos, meaning there is zip, nada, nothing. And in that forty-fifth chapter, the eighteenth verse of the great Book of Isaiah it reads, listen carefully:
Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it;
He did what? He formed it and he made it.
He1 hath established it, he created it not in vain,8414
Not in tôhû.
he formed3335 it to be inhabited:3427
Not to be destroyed. He formed it, He made it, He created it good. To be inhabited by who? His children.
I am the LORD; and there is none else.
So there is one documentation that the earth was not created without form. It was not created void. He created it [to be] beautiful. This is why from the world that was we can find mammoth in the Tundra (the ice in Alaska) still with buttercups, that near the north pole, in their mouths; lush lagoons, growing even in that part of the world. That’s why we can find palm trees at the poles. Not to mention the petrified woods that are left behind documenting that is was a beautiful time. It was a beautiful place until the earth became void and without form, that is to say, before God destroyed it. That’s not the way He created it. He created it to inhabited, and then it became that way, without form.
Verse nineteen, God continues to speak:
Isa 45:19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain:
That is to say tôhû again.
I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
So if God declares things that are right then whey should there be dissension, disputes, all you really have to do is clearly listen to what the Father says. He did not create the earth in a chaotic form, it became that way because of Satan’s rebellion and we’ll document it even further yet.
You know there is one chapter… as a matter of fact let’s go to the New Testament. Let’s see what the New Testament has to say when you have the ability to think for a moment and leave off the traditions of men and let God speak to you. He doesn’t hide the truth. It isn’t hidden; you just read it for yourself if you take a moment to check it out.
Word count getting up there more to follow
In the second book of Peter in chapter three he tells you to be very careful because in the end times there will be people who come along, scoffers, saying, “It’s not going to happen”, that is to say Christ’s return. And then he begins to tell us about the plan of God, of the earth ages, and heaven ages. Not different earths and not different heavens; same earth, same heaven, but different ages. Like the world that was of old which God had to destroy and the remnants of that destruction are obvious. I personally do not understand how someone can take a drive through the Petrified Forest, in this great nation, and not realize that [there was an] upheaval from the earth that was [and] when you see those giant pines that turned to rock because of the ages gone by, and many other places that we discover and so forth.
Okay, about the three different earth ages, let’s read about them. Second Peter, chapter three, I want to pick it up in verse five:
2Pe 3:5 For this
Speaking of the scoffers-
they willingly are ignorant of,
Now I didn’t call them ignorant, God did-
that by the word of God
That by what? By some man? No. By the word of God!
the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Not created under it, but God creating it whereby the earth could be inhabited. The flood of the overthrow, not Noah’s flood, put Noah’s flood out of your mind. But let’s find out; I don’t’ want you to be ignorant of it, but I want you to find out by God’s word what happened. Verse six:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was,
That’s to say the first earth age.
being overflowed with water, perished.622
Do yourself a favor and check this word “perish” out in the Greek and find out that it also means “void and without form”, in a sense, in that it means nothingness.
G622
ἀποìλλυμι–apollumi-ap-ol'-loo-mee
From G575 and the base of G3639; to destroy fully (reflexively to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively: - destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.
It doesn’t give leeway for some man out there with a family floating around in a boat or an ark. I mean there wasn’t any pigeons, no birds, no doves… it perished, fine’, period. Void and without form – totally. That’s why, again, scientists can document that this earth is millions of years old. Why? Because it is and God’s word declares it; it was of old. And then you get some bible-thumper who will come along, “My bible says this world is only six thousand years old” – he shows his ignorance concerning the manuscripts and the simple word of God, simply by listening to men’s traditions and their fear of digging into God’s word because of repeating some Salvation-Baptism over-and-over-and-over, regardless of how many times you’ve been saved or how many times you’ve been baptized. That’s all he can do is on-and-on, yackety-yak baptism-salvation… which there’s nothing wrong with that as long as it’s the first time, but after you lead someone to the Father then teach them the word of God whereby they are not ignorant, biblically illiterate of events whereby they cannot with credibility with an educated person in the sciences carry on a conversation about the Word of God. That’s important. So He destroyed it. It’s written of right here in the New Testament.
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now,
This would be in Peter’s time and yet even unto this day
by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition
There’s that word “perish” again
of ungodly men.
Now who is it that’s going to… perdition means to come to: nothing, nada, to perish. It didn’t say that those who follow God were -ungodly men. The rudiments are the evil things of this world and will be destroyed by fire. What is that fire? If you were to back up two books I believe it is, in the Book of Hebrews, and if you were to read the final verse of chapter twelve, you would find that God is a consuming fire. This is simply to say, if He can speak and nothing became everything, He can also speak and that consuming fire can cause to perish that that is evil.
Verse eight, listen carefully beloved: 2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
In other words, if we say that God replenished or recreated the governments, that’s to say the peoples, that are here [on earth], in seven days of God’s time, how long would that be? He said I don’t want you to be ignorant about this. What it does, is people talk about the Lord’s Day, well if a day with Him is a thousand years… well that’s a millennium. Then you know what the millennium is. That is the Lord’s Day that is yet coming. But time-wise, seven days with Him is seven thousand years –when you’re figuring it from His standpoint. Alright, listen carefully. Many people will... why do I say that? Because many people, when they find creation where man is obviously… thirteen thousand years ago, they almost lose their faith. Why? Don’t let your ignorance over-ride your donkey. Alright, don’t overload your donkey, I should say, because a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing. So think and use your head. God pleads with you not to be ignorant concerning these things.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness;
He’s not forgetful, but is longsuffering to us-ward, He has much patients. not willing that any should perish, He doesn’t want that to happen to anyone.
But that all should come to repentance. They won’t though. But at least it is God’s will is that they would. He’s given them every opportunity. He’s not looking for someone, some group, or some tribe, to zap. He made salvation available to one and all. Who so ever will.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements4747 shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Check out the word “elements”,stoicheion.
http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Topical.show/RTD/cgg/ID/1627/Stoicheion.htm
It means “rudiments”, which means only the evil part will be destroyed. Only the good part is left behind.
G4747
στοιχεῖον – stoicheion - stoy-khi'-on
Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of G4748; something orderly in arrangement, that is, (by implication) a serial (basal, fundamental, initial) constituent (literally), proposition (figuratively): - element, principle, rudiment.In other words, the Holy Spirit touches you and warms you but the Holy Spirit will utterly destroy Satan and those that chose to follow him. And that quite frankly brings in the Lord’s Day which is the millennium (a one thousand year period). Word count getting up there page 3 to follow
Okay, about the three different earth ages, let’s read about them. Second Peter, chapter three, I want to pick it up in verse five:
2Pe 3:5 For this
Speaking of the scoffers-
they willingly are ignorant of,
Now I didn’t call them ignorant, God did-
that by the word of God
That by what? By some man? No. By the word of God!
the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Not created under it, but God creating it whereby the earth could be inhabited. The flood of the overthrow, not Noah’s flood, put Noah’s flood out of your mind. But let’s find out; I don’t’ want you to be ignorant of it, but I want you to find out by God’s word what happened. Verse six:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was,
That’s to say the first earth age.
being overflowed with water, perished.622
Do yourself a favor and check this word “perish” out in the Greek and find out that it also means “void and without form”, in a sense, in that it means nothingness.
G622
ἀποìλλυμι–apollumi-ap-ol'-loo-mee
From G575 and the base of G3639; to destroy fully (reflexively to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively: - destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.
It doesn’t give leeway for some man out there with a family floating around in a boat or an ark. I mean there wasn’t any pigeons, no birds, no doves… it perished, fine’, period. Void and without form – totally. That’s why, again, scientists can document that this earth is millions of years old. Why? Because it is and God’s word declares it; it was of old. And then you get some bible-thumper who will come along, “My bible says this world is only six thousand years old” – he shows his ignorance concerning the manuscripts and the simple word of God, simply by listening to men’s traditions and their fear of digging into God’s word because of repeating some Salvation-Baptism over-and-over-and-over, regardless of how many times you’ve been saved or how many times you’ve been baptized. That’s all he can do is on-and-on, yackety-yak baptism-salvation… which there’s nothing wrong with that as long as it’s the first time, but after you lead someone to the Father then teach them the word of God whereby they are not ignorant, biblically illiterate of events whereby they cannot with credibility with an educated person in the sciences carry on a conversation about the Word of God. That’s important. So He destroyed it. It’s written of right here in the New Testament.
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now,
This would be in Peter’s time and yet even unto this day
by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition
There’s that word “perish” again
of ungodly men.
Now who is it that’s going to… perdition means to come to: nothing, nada, to perish. It didn’t say that those who follow God were -ungodly men. The rudiments are the evil things of this world and will be destroyed by fire. What is that fire? If you were to back up two books I believe it is, in the Book of Hebrews, and if you were to read the final verse of chapter twelve, you would find that God is a consuming fire. This is simply to say, if He can speak and nothing became everything, He can also speak and that consuming fire can cause to perish that that is evil.
Verse eight, listen carefully beloved: 2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
In other words, if we say that God replenished or recreated the governments, that’s to say the peoples, that are here [on earth], in seven days of God’s time, how long would that be? He said I don’t want you to be ignorant about this. What it does, is people talk about the Lord’s Day, well if a day with Him is a thousand years… well that’s a millennium. Then you know what the millennium is. That is the Lord’s Day that is yet coming. But time-wise, seven days with Him is seven thousand years –when you’re figuring it from His standpoint. Alright, listen carefully. Many people will... why do I say that? Because many people, when they find creation where man is obviously… thirteen thousand years ago, they almost lose their faith. Why? Don’t let your ignorance over-ride your donkey. Alright, don’t overload your donkey, I should say, because a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing. So think and use your head. God pleads with you not to be ignorant concerning these things.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness;
He’s not forgetful, but is longsuffering to us-ward, He has much patients. not willing that any should perish, He doesn’t want that to happen to anyone.
But that all should come to repentance. They won’t though. But at least it is God’s will is that they would. He’s given them every opportunity. He’s not looking for someone, some group, or some tribe, to zap. He made salvation available to one and all. Who so ever will.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements4747 shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Check out the word “elements”,stoicheion.
http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Topical.show/RTD/cgg/ID/1627/Stoicheion.htm
It means “rudiments”, which means only the evil part will be destroyed. Only the good part is left behind.
G4747
στοιχεῖον – stoicheion - stoy-khi'-on
Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of G4748; something orderly in arrangement, that is, (by implication) a serial (basal, fundamental, initial) constituent (literally), proposition (figuratively): - element, principle, rudiment.In other words, the Holy Spirit touches you and warms you but the Holy Spirit will utterly destroy Satan and those that chose to follow him. And that quite frankly brings in the Lord’s Day which is the millennium (a one thousand year period). Word count getting up there page 3 to follow
Again, let’s analyze: It is not God’s will that anybody go to Hell (perish), that’s to say the lake of fire, Revelation chapter twenty. It’s not His will. He is very patient. And the figure of speech, “a thief in the night” simply means nobody’s going to be expecting it; going back to the fact that people would be saying (scoffers), “It ain’t gonna happen. Everything’s the same as from the beginning.” Well, show, they don’t even know when the beginning was. So let them scoff!
But don’t you be ignorant of the fact that of the world that was of old was destroyed by water. There was no olive branch to bring back after that happened. If you’re thinking “Noah’s flood” is what’s being spoken of, it’s not. There was no raven, of course there were no birds left, and certainly there was no man left as it is written.
“As it’s written? Well, where is it written?”
In God’s word! Haven’t you ever read it? It’s written very plainly in the great prophet Jeremiah. Let’s go there. Let’s document these things whereby you are brought into knowledge, because God didn’t hide these things under a rock. God didn’t speak from some hidden place to keep it a big secret. It’s here if (the biggest little word in the bible) you wish to absorb it whereby you are not ignorant of how things are. I’m not saying that to put anyone down, but to wake you to the truth and absorb the wisdom that your Father has so graciously given you in this word. And by this word these things were done.
Jeremiah, chapter four, let’s pick it up with verse twenty-two. Now let’s fix the place here. God had been threatening to a degree, and in a sense He was saying, “Hey, you had better take that [My] threat seriously because I did destroy it [the earth] once before. And if you don’t think I will do it again, try me.” Basically that’s the thought our Father has in mind.
Jer 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children,
That means they are stupid children, and they have none understanding:Why? Because they do not have that wisdom nor do they seek it, they are wise to do evil, Oh, they know the ways of the world; how to skin their brother before he skins them… but to do good they have no knowledge.
No, none at all, and even in the so-called houses of God, is the truth taught there, really as to what happened in the beginning? Well I don’t know. You can judge that. You’ve probably been in a few of them. Is it or isn’t it? I’ll let you answer for yourself.
Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth,
Now I want you to look and see through His eyes. Beheld means I looked upon the earth.
and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. This is after the overthrow. He’s going to tell you how he shook it up, how he destroyed it. Twenty-four:
[Note: if this was speaking of Noah’s flood, there was already light upon the earth and the heavens did have light. So the reference to NO LIGHT, and the term VOID AND WITHOUT FORM, let’s you know the exact time God is referencing]
Jer 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. In other words, “I put my hand on them and shook it up”.
Jer 4:25 I beheld, I looked and, lo, there was no man,
“I mean, I completely destroyed them from off the earth.”No Noah around in case you’re thinking flood of Noah. Forget it we’re talking about before man was created in the flesh. Well then what is this man? What man of course. There was no man left on earth. That is to say, Sons of God. They were removed. Why? Because it had gone corrupt and God destroyed it.
and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
They were gone, perished, not-a-one. Let me make a statement. You have seen and observed in many places, species of birds found fossilized form we’ll call them, that don’t exists anymore. And I assure you there is not one species today from the earth of old that carried over, they all died. God recreated, yes. Were some of them alike? Well I’m sure that he never created anything necessarily bad. It goes bad, but there is a likeness. But we find results of this katabole, this overthrow in the earth today.
Jer 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities…
(Whoa! Wait a minute… cities? Yes.) thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Yes there were cities. “Well, where are they?” Well, lest I go into dimensions… those that know, I will say think along those lines. But in the dimension of spiritual bodies, sometimes it is difficult while we’re in the flesh body to understand. But there were cities and they were destroyed, nothing left, period.
Jer 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
And He didn’t. He did exactly as we’re about to read in this first chapter in the book of Genesis.
So what can we summarize from this? There was very clearly an earth age before this one. That’s why we find fossils and their remains, there’s no getting around it. I could even whip out my picture of a mammoth tooth; and yes I have one it is from that age. This is one tooth from a mammoth and I would judge this as about ten million years old. So this particular animal would have perished even before the katabole. So here you can see this is a grinder that’s how we know it was a mammoth and not a carnivore. These things have to be explained, they’re here. And it turns many young people away from Christianity because there is no explanation. Many of these young people would say show me a dinosaur in God’s Word, it’s here. It’s known in the book of Job as the Behemoth. The Behemoth grazed on the mountain tops not in a riverbed. And he had a tail that was big as a cedar tree. There’s only one of God’s creation that has a tail like that, well a whale does, but a whale doesn’t eat off the top of the mountains –and that’s a dinosaur. In that particular part of Job God is talking about that first earth age, the age in which He had to destroy. And many might say, “Well, why would God destroy something that beautiful?” Because of Satan, and Satan’s fall, it is written in the book of Revelation in chapter twelve, drew a third of God’s children away from Him, the Elohim, God and His children, or the Sons of God as they are most often called.
God had a choice, He could have destroyed the children and Satan, right then… but God is long suffering. That means He’s very patient with his children. So rather than destroy them at that time, He chose in his wrath rather to destroy the first earth age, when this earth was pretty good at that time. No winter or summer, but just plush all around this earth. People had it real good.
And some might say, “Man, the angelic beings men. “Well what do you think “Gabriel” means? In the Hebrew tongue what does the word “Gabriel” means? Translated fully, rather than transliterated, It means “Man of God”, man, M-A-N, man of God.
So you see there are many things that have past on before us and God’s Word declares them. I guess the question is, are you wise enough to listen to the simplicity in which God teaches them. Like He said, hey, I didn’t hide in some dark place to say this. I made it very plain in the word, “My Word”, God’s Word, that the things were of old and I shook it. I destroyed it. Every last being from off the face of the earth; heaven wasn’t destroyed the earth was. But He destroyed it. And rather than destroying His children… think about it. We serve a God love. What does it take for a parent to kill one of his children? Think about it. It’s a heavy way to go. That’s why God didn’t kill them, the third that were simply deceived by Satan. He rather chose to destroy that earth age and caused man, as were going to study in further lectures, to be flesh also, that each soul would have to pass through this earth age to make his or her mind up, born innocent of woman, whether they would love God or Satan. That’s why you’re here.
You see, contrary to what many people teach, there is one thing God will not do. It’s just not in Him… He’s not going to do it. And that is to say, He’s not going to force you to love Him. Because whether it is you or God, you can’t force anyone to love you. It’s fake. He wants you to love Him from within yourself; you with free will, having the option to love Him or the ways of the world, which is to say Satan. The choice is yours. But I assure you, you have been warned by our Father as to what happens to those that follow the ways of the world. By that I mean love Satan instead of Him. God will not put up with false love. He knows your heart and mind. He knows whether you love Him or not. Love is very important to Him. Do you know why? You know something, it’s important to all of us. We like to be loved. We like to be needed, wanted, and we like to be appreciated. And when we look upon someone who has been as good to us as our Father has you can’t help loving Him –if you come into knowledge and the wisdom of what He has done for us. Even coming down to earth Himself to die on the cross in the form of the Son, the only Begotten, to show you that He didn’t feel that He was too good to do what He has asked you to do. That is to say, live in the flesh.
So we have a wonderful Father. So rather than destroying His children, He destroyed the earth age and brought this one into being.
But don’t you be ignorant of the fact that of the world that was of old was destroyed by water. There was no olive branch to bring back after that happened. If you’re thinking “Noah’s flood” is what’s being spoken of, it’s not. There was no raven, of course there were no birds left, and certainly there was no man left as it is written.
“As it’s written? Well, where is it written?”
In God’s word! Haven’t you ever read it? It’s written very plainly in the great prophet Jeremiah. Let’s go there. Let’s document these things whereby you are brought into knowledge, because God didn’t hide these things under a rock. God didn’t speak from some hidden place to keep it a big secret. It’s here if (the biggest little word in the bible) you wish to absorb it whereby you are not ignorant of how things are. I’m not saying that to put anyone down, but to wake you to the truth and absorb the wisdom that your Father has so graciously given you in this word. And by this word these things were done.
Jeremiah, chapter four, let’s pick it up with verse twenty-two. Now let’s fix the place here. God had been threatening to a degree, and in a sense He was saying, “Hey, you had better take that [My] threat seriously because I did destroy it [the earth] once before. And if you don’t think I will do it again, try me.” Basically that’s the thought our Father has in mind.
Jer 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children,
That means they are stupid children, and they have none understanding:Why? Because they do not have that wisdom nor do they seek it, they are wise to do evil, Oh, they know the ways of the world; how to skin their brother before he skins them… but to do good they have no knowledge.
No, none at all, and even in the so-called houses of God, is the truth taught there, really as to what happened in the beginning? Well I don’t know. You can judge that. You’ve probably been in a few of them. Is it or isn’t it? I’ll let you answer for yourself.
Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth,
Now I want you to look and see through His eyes. Beheld means I looked upon the earth.
and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. This is after the overthrow. He’s going to tell you how he shook it up, how he destroyed it. Twenty-four:
[Note: if this was speaking of Noah’s flood, there was already light upon the earth and the heavens did have light. So the reference to NO LIGHT, and the term VOID AND WITHOUT FORM, let’s you know the exact time God is referencing]
Jer 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. In other words, “I put my hand on them and shook it up”.
Jer 4:25 I beheld, I looked and, lo, there was no man,
“I mean, I completely destroyed them from off the earth.”No Noah around in case you’re thinking flood of Noah. Forget it we’re talking about before man was created in the flesh. Well then what is this man? What man of course. There was no man left on earth. That is to say, Sons of God. They were removed. Why? Because it had gone corrupt and God destroyed it.
and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
They were gone, perished, not-a-one. Let me make a statement. You have seen and observed in many places, species of birds found fossilized form we’ll call them, that don’t exists anymore. And I assure you there is not one species today from the earth of old that carried over, they all died. God recreated, yes. Were some of them alike? Well I’m sure that he never created anything necessarily bad. It goes bad, but there is a likeness. But we find results of this katabole, this overthrow in the earth today.
Jer 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities…
(Whoa! Wait a minute… cities? Yes.) thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Yes there were cities. “Well, where are they?” Well, lest I go into dimensions… those that know, I will say think along those lines. But in the dimension of spiritual bodies, sometimes it is difficult while we’re in the flesh body to understand. But there were cities and they were destroyed, nothing left, period.
Jer 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
And He didn’t. He did exactly as we’re about to read in this first chapter in the book of Genesis.
So what can we summarize from this? There was very clearly an earth age before this one. That’s why we find fossils and their remains, there’s no getting around it. I could even whip out my picture of a mammoth tooth; and yes I have one it is from that age. This is one tooth from a mammoth and I would judge this as about ten million years old. So this particular animal would have perished even before the katabole. So here you can see this is a grinder that’s how we know it was a mammoth and not a carnivore. These things have to be explained, they’re here. And it turns many young people away from Christianity because there is no explanation. Many of these young people would say show me a dinosaur in God’s Word, it’s here. It’s known in the book of Job as the Behemoth. The Behemoth grazed on the mountain tops not in a riverbed. And he had a tail that was big as a cedar tree. There’s only one of God’s creation that has a tail like that, well a whale does, but a whale doesn’t eat off the top of the mountains –and that’s a dinosaur. In that particular part of Job God is talking about that first earth age, the age in which He had to destroy. And many might say, “Well, why would God destroy something that beautiful?” Because of Satan, and Satan’s fall, it is written in the book of Revelation in chapter twelve, drew a third of God’s children away from Him, the Elohim, God and His children, or the Sons of God as they are most often called.
God had a choice, He could have destroyed the children and Satan, right then… but God is long suffering. That means He’s very patient with his children. So rather than destroy them at that time, He chose in his wrath rather to destroy the first earth age, when this earth was pretty good at that time. No winter or summer, but just plush all around this earth. People had it real good.
And some might say, “Man, the angelic beings men. “Well what do you think “Gabriel” means? In the Hebrew tongue what does the word “Gabriel” means? Translated fully, rather than transliterated, It means “Man of God”, man, M-A-N, man of God.
So you see there are many things that have past on before us and God’s Word declares them. I guess the question is, are you wise enough to listen to the simplicity in which God teaches them. Like He said, hey, I didn’t hide in some dark place to say this. I made it very plain in the word, “My Word”, God’s Word, that the things were of old and I shook it. I destroyed it. Every last being from off the face of the earth; heaven wasn’t destroyed the earth was. But He destroyed it. And rather than destroying His children… think about it. We serve a God love. What does it take for a parent to kill one of his children? Think about it. It’s a heavy way to go. That’s why God didn’t kill them, the third that were simply deceived by Satan. He rather chose to destroy that earth age and caused man, as were going to study in further lectures, to be flesh also, that each soul would have to pass through this earth age to make his or her mind up, born innocent of woman, whether they would love God or Satan. That’s why you’re here.
You see, contrary to what many people teach, there is one thing God will not do. It’s just not in Him… He’s not going to do it. And that is to say, He’s not going to force you to love Him. Because whether it is you or God, you can’t force anyone to love you. It’s fake. He wants you to love Him from within yourself; you with free will, having the option to love Him or the ways of the world, which is to say Satan. The choice is yours. But I assure you, you have been warned by our Father as to what happens to those that follow the ways of the world. By that I mean love Satan instead of Him. God will not put up with false love. He knows your heart and mind. He knows whether you love Him or not. Love is very important to Him. Do you know why? You know something, it’s important to all of us. We like to be loved. We like to be needed, wanted, and we like to be appreciated. And when we look upon someone who has been as good to us as our Father has you can’t help loving Him –if you come into knowledge and the wisdom of what He has done for us. Even coming down to earth Himself to die on the cross in the form of the Son, the only Begotten, to show you that He didn’t feel that He was too good to do what He has asked you to do. That is to say, live in the flesh.
So we have a wonderful Father. So rather than destroying His children, He destroyed the earth age and brought this one into being.
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4 These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, on the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven. דאֵ֣לֶּה תֽוֹלְד֧וֹת הַשָּׁמַ֛יִם וְהָאָ֖רֶץ בְּהִ֣בָּֽרְאָ֑ם בְּי֗וֹם עֲשׂ֛וֹת יְהֹוָ֥ה אֱלֹהִ֖ים אֶ֥רֶץ וְשָׁמָֽיִם:
let's use grass for example, when God created earth He planted Grass as SEED, yielding new birth, tender root, mature grass, and full complete mature grass. God said, let there be Grass and grass came as forms of different generations from seedling to full grown mature grass.
now, imagine God did that with flowers, trees, animals, fish, etc., all except Adam, God made him ready to Procreate.
let's use grass for example, when God created earth He planted Grass as SEED, yielding new birth, tender root, mature grass, and full complete mature grass. God said, let there be Grass and grass came as forms of different generations from seedling to full grown mature grass.
now, imagine God did that with flowers, trees, animals, fish, etc., all except Adam, God made him ready to Procreate.
What makes Eve the mother of all living but Adam is not the father of all living?
It is simple really; Who is the father of Jesus? Is it someone from the line of Adam? I do not thank so. From the womb of Eve to the womb of Marry you can follow that line until Mary gets pregnant; By Joseph? No By God.
Has God been unchangeable in the way He does things from the time He formed Eve from the rib of Adam till today? If God wants you to have a wife today does He put you into a deep sleep and take a rib from you and form a being for you to name and have for a mate?
Genius 2
21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. 24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Just what is this “and they shall become one flesh” We will come back to that.
It is simple really; Who is the father of Jesus? Is it someone from the line of Adam? I do not thank so. From the womb of Eve to the womb of Marry you can follow that line until Mary gets pregnant; By Joseph? No By God.
Has God been unchangeable in the way He does things from the time He formed Eve from the rib of Adam till today? If God wants you to have a wife today does He put you into a deep sleep and take a rib from you and form a being for you to name and have for a mate?
Genius 2
21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. 24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Just what is this “and they shall become one flesh” We will come back to that.
Are you sure about that.
New International Version
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
New Living Translation
But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day.
English Standard Version
But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Berean Standard Bible
Beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
Berean Literal Bible
But beloved, do not let this one thing be hidden from you, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.
King James Bible
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
New International Version
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
New Living Translation
But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day.
English Standard Version
But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Berean Standard Bible
Beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
Berean Literal Bible
But beloved, do not let this one thing be hidden from you, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.
King James Bible
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
To the watchers and everyone else I am sorry I have got everything all out of wack. You can tell I am not good at posting long posts, I get to many words try to redo things and make a bigger mess. My heart is in the right place I am just trying to explain things as completely as I can. This is in response to your post #347 & #348.
Due to the length I will have to use 2or maybe 3 new posts. Please take the time to read and consider the things said. I do welcome your feedback. We may end up agreeing we may disagree one thing is for sure; We both want to please God.
With that being said here goes.
Part 1 of 2 and maybe 3
Is God the same from beginning to end? Has He changed His nature ,the nature of animals, or humans? The way we live, eat, reproduce, a bear lives in the woods, hibernates in the winter, he has not grown wings and learned to fly the same with most every other living thing.
Isaiah 40:8
King James Bible
The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
Amplified Bible
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.
American Standard Version
The grass withereth, the flower fadeth; but the word of our God shall stand forever.
New Living Translation
The grass withers and the flowers fade, but the word of our God stands forever.”
Numbers 23:19
New Living Translation
God is not a man, so he does not lie. He is not human, so he does not change his mind. Has he ever spoken and failed to act? Has he ever promised and not carried it through?
English Standard Version
God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?
Berean Standard Bible
God is not a man, that He should lie, or a son of man, that He should change His mind. Does He speak and not act? Does He promise and not fulfill?
King James Bible
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Hebrews 13:8
New Living Translation
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
English Standard Version
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
Berean Standard Bible
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
King James Bible
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
King James Bible Hebrews 1
19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Due to the length I will have to use 2or maybe 3 new posts. Please take the time to read and consider the things said. I do welcome your feedback. We may end up agreeing we may disagree one thing is for sure; We both want to please God.
With that being said here goes.
Part 1 of 2 and maybe 3
Is God the same from beginning to end? Has He changed His nature ,the nature of animals, or humans? The way we live, eat, reproduce, a bear lives in the woods, hibernates in the winter, he has not grown wings and learned to fly the same with most every other living thing.
Isaiah 40:8
King James Bible
The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
Amplified Bible
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.
American Standard Version
The grass withereth, the flower fadeth; but the word of our God shall stand forever.
New Living Translation
The grass withers and the flowers fade, but the word of our God stands forever.”
Numbers 23:19
New Living Translation
God is not a man, so he does not lie. He is not human, so he does not change his mind. Has he ever spoken and failed to act? Has he ever promised and not carried it through?
English Standard Version
God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?
Berean Standard Bible
God is not a man, that He should lie, or a son of man, that He should change His mind. Does He speak and not act? Does He promise and not fulfill?
King James Bible
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Hebrews 13:8
New Living Translation
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
English Standard Version
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
Berean Standard Bible
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
King James Bible
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
King James Bible Hebrews 1
19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Part 2 to post 351.
The Sixth Day: Creatures on Land Genius 1:24-31
24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Genius 2:
1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
The Creation of Man
4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
And every plant of the field: Strong's of the field
הַשָּׂדֶ֗ה (haś·śā·ḏeh)
Article | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 7704: 1) field, land 1a) cultivated field 1b) Notice what this meaning says! Cultivated field.
Formed man, Adam, the man Adam He was made with a special peruse; here again lets take a look at the Strong's:
formed
וַיִּיצֶר֩ (way·yî·ṣer)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 3335: 1) to form, fashion, frame 1a) (Qal) to form, fashion 1a1) of human activity 1a2) of divine activity 1a2a) of creation 1a2a1) of original creation 1a2a2) of individuals at conception 1a2a3) of Israel as a people 1a2b) to frame, pre-ordain, plan (fig. of divine) purpose of a situation) 1b) (Niphal) to be formed, be created 1c) (Pual) to be predetermined, be pre-ordained 1d) (Hophal) to be formed.
Not the same as the people of the 6th day creation
There is no way as you posted “that let's use grass for example, when God created earth He planted Grass as SEED, yielding new birth, tender root, mature grass, and full complete mature grass. God said, let there be Grass and grass came as forms of different generations from seedling to full grown mature grass. now, imagine God did that with flowers, trees, animals, fish, etc.”
The Sixth Day: Creatures on Land Genius 1:24-31
24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Genius 2:
1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
The Creation of Man
4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
And every plant of the field: Strong's of the field
הַשָּׂדֶ֗ה (haś·śā·ḏeh)
Article | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 7704: 1) field, land 1a) cultivated field 1b) Notice what this meaning says! Cultivated field.
Formed man, Adam, the man Adam He was made with a special peruse; here again lets take a look at the Strong's:
formed
וַיִּיצֶר֩ (way·yî·ṣer)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 3335: 1) to form, fashion, frame 1a) (Qal) to form, fashion 1a1) of human activity 1a2) of divine activity 1a2a) of creation 1a2a1) of original creation 1a2a2) of individuals at conception 1a2a3) of Israel as a people 1a2b) to frame, pre-ordain, plan (fig. of divine) purpose of a situation) 1b) (Niphal) to be formed, be created 1c) (Pual) to be predetermined, be pre-ordained 1d) (Hophal) to be formed.
Not the same as the people of the 6th day creation
There is no way as you posted “that let's use grass for example, when God created earth He planted Grass as SEED, yielding new birth, tender root, mature grass, and full complete mature grass. God said, let there be Grass and grass came as forms of different generations from seedling to full grown mature grass. now, imagine God did that with flowers, trees, animals, fish, etc.”
Part 3 of post 351.
Adam was to be the beginning of the people of Israel: What did God thank about the people of Israel? They were to be His people through which His Son would come.
What makes Eve the mother of all living but Adam is not the father of all living?
It is simple really; Who is the father of Jesus? Is it someone from the line of Adam? I do not thank so. From the womb of Eve to the womb of Marry you can follow that line until Mary gets pregnant; By Joseph? No By God.
Just when does Eve come into the picture? We really do not have an answer for that. God tells us He formed Adam in verses 4-7 and then a lot happens. You should know this part of
Genius 2. Adam names the animals but does not find a mate; so what does God do? Lets see
21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. 24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
And they shall be one flesh; The man will leave his mother and father except here for Adam did not have a mother and father. Remember the meaning of the word formed, and just why Adam was formed by God. Not only was He to become a farmer and till the ground; He was to become the start of the people of Israel all 12 tribes.
Please stop and thank here what God said about the people of Israel marring outside of their own people. He was against it. Keep thanking for this reason a man shall leave his mother and father and the two shall become one flesh. My wife and I are white we have 4 wonderful children. 3 girls and a boy. 2 of my girls married men of different races; none of their children are full blooded of either race and never will be that does not mean I love them any less or more it is just a fact of life. My other daughter married a white man had 2 wonderful daughters they are with men of the same race and their children will be white. My son had one girlfriend and one wife both white has 2 wonderful daughters they are both white.
Adam in the Hebrew means to be able to show blood in the face in other words light skinned. If Adam and Eve where there on the 6th day which God says they were not; remember God says He is the same yesterday, today and forever He does not change things. If Adam and eve were the first people created and all the races came from them, for God to be true to His word the same thing would have to be going on today. If that were the case my wife and I should have had at least 1 purple people eater for a child. The fact is that if we would have had 4, 40, or 400 children they would have all been the same race.
I hope I have not offended anyone that is not was not and would never be the point of this. The point is to be able to rightly divide the truth. I hope you at least give it a chance to sink in and that you have an open enough mind to look at it. It does come from God's word and is not just something I have made up.
In His Love
Keith
Adam was to be the beginning of the people of Israel: What did God thank about the people of Israel? They were to be His people through which His Son would come.
What makes Eve the mother of all living but Adam is not the father of all living?
It is simple really; Who is the father of Jesus? Is it someone from the line of Adam? I do not thank so. From the womb of Eve to the womb of Marry you can follow that line until Mary gets pregnant; By Joseph? No By God.
Just when does Eve come into the picture? We really do not have an answer for that. God tells us He formed Adam in verses 4-7 and then a lot happens. You should know this part of
Genius 2. Adam names the animals but does not find a mate; so what does God do? Lets see
21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. 24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
And they shall be one flesh; The man will leave his mother and father except here for Adam did not have a mother and father. Remember the meaning of the word formed, and just why Adam was formed by God. Not only was He to become a farmer and till the ground; He was to become the start of the people of Israel all 12 tribes.
Please stop and thank here what God said about the people of Israel marring outside of their own people. He was against it. Keep thanking for this reason a man shall leave his mother and father and the two shall become one flesh. My wife and I are white we have 4 wonderful children. 3 girls and a boy. 2 of my girls married men of different races; none of their children are full blooded of either race and never will be that does not mean I love them any less or more it is just a fact of life. My other daughter married a white man had 2 wonderful daughters they are with men of the same race and their children will be white. My son had one girlfriend and one wife both white has 2 wonderful daughters they are both white.
Adam in the Hebrew means to be able to show blood in the face in other words light skinned. If Adam and Eve where there on the 6th day which God says they were not; remember God says He is the same yesterday, today and forever He does not change things. If Adam and eve were the first people created and all the races came from them, for God to be true to His word the same thing would have to be going on today. If that were the case my wife and I should have had at least 1 purple people eater for a child. The fact is that if we would have had 4, 40, or 400 children they would have all been the same race.
I hope I have not offended anyone that is not was not and would never be the point of this. The point is to be able to rightly divide the truth. I hope you at least give it a chance to sink in and that you have an open enough mind to look at it. It does come from God's word and is not just something I have made up.
In His Love
Keith
What kind of gobbledegook is this?
Of course all the "races" came from Adam and Eve -- the whole human race descended from the first man and woman. But you are trying to postulate something from your own imagination. The various ethnic groups which now exist may have begun after the tower of Babel and the scattering of people worldwide with various languages. It makes no difference. Each ethnic group is well adapted to its particular environment, and that is because God made it so. At the same time God says that the whole human race is of "one blood". How else could it be if all humans had not descended from Adam and Eve?
Of course all the "races" came from Adam and Eve -- the whole human race descended from the first man and woman. But you are trying to postulate something from your own imagination. The various ethnic groups which now exist may have begun after the tower of Babel and the scattering of people worldwide with various languages. It makes no difference. Each ethnic group is well adapted to its particular environment, and that is because God made it so. At the same time God says that the whole human race is of "one blood". How else could it be if all humans had not descended from Adam and Eve?
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Just when did God become the author of confusion? When did He take that which is natural and make it unnatural? As I said in the posts it is not natural, God has never set the natural order of things for 2 people of the same race to have offspring of a different race. Show me an American Indian couple that have ever had a Jewish baby. You want to tell me that God is the author of confusion from the start; or worse yet you want to take your false doctrine and try to make God a layer.
Genesis 1:26 (all copied from biblehub.com)
New International Version
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
New Living Translation
Then God said, “Let us make human beings in our image, to be like us. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground.”
English Standard Version
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
Berean Standard Bible
Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.”
King James Bible
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
New King James Version
Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
New American Standard Bible
Then God said, “Let Us make mankind in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the livestock and over all the earth, and over every crawling thing that crawls on the earth.”
#1 Who is the us? It would be God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, and the angles.
#2 What are they to have dominion over? The fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the livestock and over all the earth, and over every crawling thing that crawls on the earth.
Did God say Adam and Eve the 2 of you shall become one flesh and make all the different people of the world. Go and have several thousand children 1 male and one female of every race, creed, and color. You do this even thou it is not natural to have that many children, it is not natural for a man and a woman of the same race to have children of a different race; it is ok just this one time even thou it goes against everything that I will ever say or do from this time forward.
This leaves the door open for us to just say that if God wanted to change things up in the beginning why not in the middle and the end also?
It is not up to me to change your mind, it is my duty to point out the scriptures and then let you and God go to work on which is right and witch is wrong.
I will say again that God does not change and if Adam and Eve had children of every race then my wife and I should have been able to have children of a different race than we are.
The other thing I would question about your doctrine, your teaching, Etc. Why 2 totally different accounts in 2 different time periods. 1 in chapter one day 6 of Genesis;
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
The other some time after God rested on the 7th day. One account creates man and woman, gives them dominion over the fish, birds and every living thing that moves on the earth. The second account God forms man from the dust of the ground after He causes the mist to come upon the ground and water it. He creates only man not man and woman, He creates this man to till the ground, to be a farmer; then a lot happens, and Adam cannot seem to find a mate, so God puts him into a deep sleep and makes woman Eve from his rib. Then we have to go even further in time before they have any children. Somehow, you're not adding 2+2 = 4 but you're getting something else.
Genesis 1:26 (all copied from biblehub.com)
New International Version
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
New Living Translation
Then God said, “Let us make human beings in our image, to be like us. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground.”
English Standard Version
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
Berean Standard Bible
Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.”
King James Bible
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
New King James Version
Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
New American Standard Bible
Then God said, “Let Us make mankind in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the livestock and over all the earth, and over every crawling thing that crawls on the earth.”
#1 Who is the us? It would be God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, and the angles.
#2 What are they to have dominion over? The fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the livestock and over all the earth, and over every crawling thing that crawls on the earth.
Did God say Adam and Eve the 2 of you shall become one flesh and make all the different people of the world. Go and have several thousand children 1 male and one female of every race, creed, and color. You do this even thou it is not natural to have that many children, it is not natural for a man and a woman of the same race to have children of a different race; it is ok just this one time even thou it goes against everything that I will ever say or do from this time forward.
This leaves the door open for us to just say that if God wanted to change things up in the beginning why not in the middle and the end also?
It is not up to me to change your mind, it is my duty to point out the scriptures and then let you and God go to work on which is right and witch is wrong.
I will say again that God does not change and if Adam and Eve had children of every race then my wife and I should have been able to have children of a different race than we are.
The other thing I would question about your doctrine, your teaching, Etc. Why 2 totally different accounts in 2 different time periods. 1 in chapter one day 6 of Genesis;
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
The other some time after God rested on the 7th day. One account creates man and woman, gives them dominion over the fish, birds and every living thing that moves on the earth. The second account God forms man from the dust of the ground after He causes the mist to come upon the ground and water it. He creates only man not man and woman, He creates this man to till the ground, to be a farmer; then a lot happens, and Adam cannot seem to find a mate, so God puts him into a deep sleep and makes woman Eve from his rib. Then we have to go even further in time before they have any children. Somehow, you're not adding 2+2 = 4 but you're getting something else.