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Cameron143

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In Matthew 5:21-48 Jesus on five occasions says that His hearers have heard the law spoken and then goes on to give explanation of its meaning. In doing so is He expanding the meaning of the law or merely giving the understanding that was engendered in the law all along?
 

Pilgrimshope

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Take this section

It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: ( deauteronomy24:1-4)

but I say unto you,

That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

(If we obey moses law there Jesus says it’s adultery )

Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: ( Deuteronomy 23:23)

but I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: (. ( just and equal retaliation Leviticus 24:19-20)


but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. ( no retaliation )

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
(Love those who love you and do. I harm to you but pay back your enemies )

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;”( love those who love you and those who don’t love you )
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:31-35, 38-39, 43-44‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Do you see how there is a contrary spirit regarding each command ? One has an ordination founded here

“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So God - his angel - Moses - the priests - the people

And the gospel which is father , son Holy Ghost who are one speaking to the believer of the gospel

“Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you have one law under this disposition and ordination

Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭23:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and then this ordination and disposition in tbe nt

“And I will cleanse them from all their iniquity, whereby they have sinned against me; and I will pardon all their iniquities, whereby they have sinned, and whereby they have transgressed against me.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭33:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Two testaments one not according to the other but the first a pattern for the new

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

New everything brother new word new blood new ways new worship new power and strength
 

Nehemiah6

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In Matthew 5:21-48 Jesus on five occasions says that His hearers have heard the law spoken and then goes on to give explanation of its meaning. In doing so is He expanding the meaning of the law or merely giving the understanding that was engendered in the law all along?
Christ gave us the proper understanding of the Law, and at the same time expanded the meaning to show its spiritual content. Here's one example: Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also... But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; This is definitely not an easy teaching to put into practice, but there it is.
 

Cameron143

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Take this section

It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: ( deauteronomy24:1-4)

but I say unto you,

That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

(If we obey moses law there Jesus says it’s adultery )

Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: ( Deuteronomy 23:23)

but I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: (. ( just and equal retaliation Leviticus 24:19-20)


but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. ( no retaliation )

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
(Love those who love you and do. I harm to you but pay back your enemies )

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;”( love those who love you and those who don’t love you )
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:31-35, 38-39, 43-44‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Do you see how there is a contrary spirit regarding each command ? One has an ordination founded here

“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So God - his angel - Moses - the priests - the people

And the gospel which is father , son Holy Ghost who are one speaking to the believer of the gospel

“Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you have one law under this disposition and ordination

Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭23:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and then this ordination and disposition in tbe nt

“And I will cleanse them from all their iniquity, whereby they have sinned against me; and I will pardon all their iniquities, whereby they have sinned, and whereby they have transgressed against me.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭33:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Two testaments one not according to the other but the first a pattern for the new

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

New everything brother new word new blood new ways new worship new power and strength
Thanks for sharing. And I agree that the new covenant and the outpouring of the Spirit brought with it a whole host of changes. My question is simply...did the law change or was the teaching here in Matthew what should have been understood all along?
 

Cameron143

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Christ gave us the proper understanding of the Law, and at the same time expanded the meaning to show its spiritual content. Here's one example: Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also... But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; This is definitely not an easy teaching to put into practice, but there it is.
Thanks for sharing.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Jesus was telling the universal eternal truth concerning the laws.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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The root of sin is not the doing but is a matter of the inner man.
 

Blik

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Thanks for sharing. And I agree that the new covenant and the outpouring of the Spirit brought with it a whole host of changes. My question is simply...did the law change or was the teaching here in Matthew what should have been understood all along?
In Matt. 5:17 Christ explains that the law does not change. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Christ brought the spirit of the law. All through the old testament the law is given in fleshly symbols of the law. Those symbols was truth, the old and new testament are truth. It is true that Christians are circumcised, but that is by the spirit of the law. It is true that we are to "eat" what is not garbage, but not by food for our stomach, but food for our hearts and minds.
 

Cameron143

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In Matt. 5:17 Christ explains that the law does not change. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Christ brought the spirit of the law. All through the old testament the law is given in fleshly symbols of the law. Those symbols was truth, the old and new testament are truth. It is true that Christians are circumcised, but that is by the spirit of the law. It is true that we are to "eat" what is not garbage, but not by food for our stomach, but food for our hearts and minds.
Thanks for sharing.
 

JaumeJ

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merely giving the understanding that was engendered in the law all along?
You have said it. For in part, a BIG part , He told the Pharisees that if a law does not contain mercy, it neednot be applied.
 

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In Matthew 5:21-48 Jesus on five occasions says that His hearers have heard the law spoken and then goes on to give explanation of its meaning. In doing so is He expanding the meaning of the law or merely giving the understanding that was engendered in the law all along?
The Law was given to those born with the sinful human nature. There is no grace in the Law. It is purely carrot and stick. Jesus did not make the Law easier to obey. He made it impossible, so revealing the true intent of the Law. The Law was given to prove that we cannot keep the Law. This is intended to bring us to Christ. Once we come to Christ, the Law of Moses has done its work. We who are born again are subject to a new law, which is the "Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus". If we Christians ever wake up to the fact that Christ lives in us to be all that God demands that we should be, we will be transformed immediately. I can vouch for that personally. All that we need is found in just one Person - Christ. God accepts nothing else but that which is done in and through Christ .

Check it out for yourself. I did a study a few years ago. The expression "in Christ" (or in Him, meaning in Christ) occurs over 50 times in the NT. I quit looking after 50 verses. I got the message!
 

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In Matthew 5:21-48 Jesus on five occasions says that His hearers have heard the law spoken and then goes on to give explanation of its meaning. In doing so is He expanding the meaning of the law or merely giving the understanding that was engendered in the law all along?
Just gives no new law he magnified laws already given .put the flesh aside to energise the spirit .remember the spirit and flesh war consistently in this life .Jesus makes it clear that no one is without sin and no one can come to the father without a savior .
 

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8Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because of your hardness of heart; but it was not this way from the beginning. 9Now I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman, commits adultery.d

It is apparent that Jesus is taking away Moses' accommodation for the hardness of heart here, which was contained within the law. And subsequently the sacrificial system was taken away also, leaving no other avenue, for anyone, of reconciliation other than dying with Him, and the only other choice, by default, is dying without Him. And of course, gentiles benefit since this opened the door to them.
 

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"For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there occurs a change of law also." Hebrews 7:12
 

listenyoumustAll

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"For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there occurs a change of law also." Hebrews 7:12
The Law says, “The wages of sin is death”; Grace says, “The gift of God is eternal life.” The Law says, “The soul that sinneth it shall die”; Grace says, “Believe and live.” The Law was done away in Christ; Grace abides forever. Jesus didn't change the law but rather he revealed a higher law of grace .
 

ResidentAlien

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The Law says, “The wages of sin is death”; Grace says, “The gift of God is eternal life.” The Law says, “The soul that sinneth it shall die”; Grace says, “Believe and live.” The Law was done away in Christ; Grace abides forever. Jesus didn't change the law but rather he revealed a higher law of grace .
Okay, thanks for your opinion.
 

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where in the Mosaic legislation is it written "hate your enemies"? was that a rabbinic addition?

when the Lord Jesus engaged the enemy, He said, "it is written". why does He in this passage say, "you have heard it said"?

sorry... i have questions, but they're real questions.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Thanks for sharing. And I agree that the new covenant and the outpouring of the Spirit brought with it a whole host of changes. My question is simply...did the law change or was the teaching here in Matthew what should have been understood all along?
Yes brother what I’m saying is the law was changed when the priesthood was changed when the covenant changed

“If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

A change of the law “ you have heard it was said in old times but I tell you”

Jesus is of a different ordination and preisthood spoke a new word a better covenant not the old improved but a new that is witnessed in tbe old ie “ I will make a new covenant not according to the old which they broke “

In the old covenant hidden among the law there’s a witness saying “ one day the messiah will come and give you the covenant he will speak Gods words of requirement and offer salvstion to all you sinners who turn from sin

It’s like how night changes into day the same day but one is dark and the other is all lit up