DO YOU BELIEVE IN SPEAKING IN TONGUE'S ?

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17Bees

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Sculpt said:
You sound like you feel very strongly about it, the most relevant being that you "believe all of the Holy Spirit gifts ceased during the apostolic age". What does this mean? What's the "Apostolic Age"? Why do you believe it ended and all spiritual gifts ended?

I just go by the basics... speaking in tongues happened in Acts and in the churches afterward. Pual emphasized that the speaking in tongues that only God understands should be done in private for the reason it doesn't edify the church members present, and that unbelievers visiting will likely think the 'not-understood-speaking' person is out of their mind.

I'm just aware of what's in the bible, so I'm at a loss regarding what you're saying. I don't have a position on what you said, I'm just asking if you can tell me What's the "Apostolic Age"? Why do you believe it and all spiritual gifts ended?
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The apostolic age is a timeline of the lives of the original apostles after Christ's resurrection. The age ended with the death of last living apostle, John. These spiritual gifts of speaking different languages and prophesy, healings and even raising the dead to life and removing demons were given as unique gifts given by the Holy Spirit to the apostles and served as signs of the veracity and witness of the New Covenant church of the living Christ. The apostles would need these gifts when spreading the Word all around the Mediterranean to the many diverse nations and languages. Also, the Bible offers no instance of ever bestowing these gifts to anyone apart from the presence of an apostle. Read Acts 8: 14-20.

These special and dynamic gifts ceased with the lives of the apostles, but this is not to say that God's healing, for instance, is not given. It just means that its done so without human intervention yelling "HEALED". There's so many other gifts given daily - that of teaching or preaching or a helping hand in endeavors of good, but the greatest gift remains as love.
 
CS1

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Aussie52 said:
I spent 20 years in the Pentecostal Movement. 7 years as a Pastor.
I was a tongues speaker.
I left the Movement in disgust as the Leadership that was corrupt.
In my re-evaluating my experience I learnt this from the Bible.

1. Speaking in tongues in the New Testament times were human languages.
2. They were edification in a Church meeting setting only. No private tongues.
3. Not every believer spoke in tongues. 1 Cor 12:30.
4. Tongues ceased fairly early on in the first century. No mention of them
in the later books of the New Testament.
From my findings, I renounced my 'tongue's as false and have not looked back since.
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Wrong! Just because you have an axe to grind and in the movement for 20 means nothing. I am been in ministry longer than 20 years, and I have seen bad God and ugly. Yet The Holy Spirit is still imparting gifts that are recorded in 1cor chapter 12. Your bad experience doesn't make the word of God null n void.

What you should renounce was the leadership you say was corrupt. You said you were a Pastor? That makes you leadership does it not?
 
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CS1 said:
Wrong! Just because you have an axe to grind and in the movement for 20 means nothing. I am been in ministry longer than 20 years, and I have seen bad God and ugly. Yet The Holy Spirit is still imparting gifts that are recorded in 1cor chapter 12. Your bad experience doesn't make the word of God null n void.

What you should renounce was the leadership you say was corrupt. You said you were a Pastor? That makes you leadership does it not?
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Why do you attack me when all I have done is share my story?
Does it make you feel superior?
This is one of the reasons I am not here that often, unloving posts.
 
Bob-Carabbio

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proutled said:
DO YOU BELIEVE IN SPEAKING IN TONG'S FOR TODAY ?
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Yes. I've done it for decades.

AND IF NOT WHY ?
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The standard Cessationist reasons are: "that PERFECT" has come (supposedly the Biblical canon / the printing press), or The last apostle has died, or some variations of that.

Their real reason is: "I don't believe in it, I can't do it, and I don't think you should either!!!!
 
Nehemiah6

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The_Watchers_2017 said:
have we ever seen the Perfect Love yet?
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"That which is COMPLETE" is a reference to the Bible. Some translations even make this clear.

New International Version
but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.
International Standard Version
But when what is complete comes, then what is incomplete will be done away with.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
But when what is complete comes, then what is incomplete will no longer be used
World English Bible
but when that which is complete has come, then that which is partial will be done away with.
 
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Aussie52 said:
I spent 20 years in the Pentecostal Movement. 7 years as a Pastor.
I was a tongues speaker.
I left the Movement in disgust as the Leadership that was corrupt.
In my re-evaluating my experience I learnt this from the Bible.

1. Speaking in tongues in the New Testament times were human languages.
2. They were edification in a Church meeting setting only. No private tongues.
3. Not every believer spoke in tongues. 1 Cor 12:30.
4. Tongues ceased fairly early on in the first century. No mention of them
in the later books of the New Testament.
From my findings, I renounced my 'tongue's as false and have not looked back since.
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Hello Aussie 52 how are you today? I understand, how you feel, about the corruption, how ever please never allow people and bad circumstances to enter fear with having a deeper relationship with your father, I believe Paul said that he speaks in tongues all the time, he hopes everyone would do the same, remember the devil is a Lier is out to robbe, kill and destroy, he does not want you to, know the things that God has for you, a deeper love, for GOD, deeper love for people, deeper wisdom, God has many things for you to do, however they must be done in faith, in love ,and in constant fellowship with him, let go, let God. trust him. he love's you very much. and he 's calling you to come closer to him. again don't let anyone ever come between you and your Father, ok, I believe this is what the lord is saying to you now, in this hour, I had know idea what he was going to say. this is for you, take care God bless you,
 
Blain

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I have always believed in it even with all the pretenders but I have experienced the real thing as well there is real power in it you will be sitting there stunned unable to move or speak a minute or so.
 
ResidentAlien

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Blain said:
I have always believed in it even with all the pretenders but I have experienced the real thing as well there is real power in it you will be sitting there stunned unable to move or speak a minute or so.
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It's all pretend; there is no true gibberish and false gibberish. It's all gibberish.
 
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VARob

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Nehemiah6 said:
"That which is COMPLETE" is a reference to the Bible. Some translations even make this clear.

New International Version
but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.
International Standard Version
But when what is complete comes, then what is incomplete will be done away with.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
But when what is complete comes, then what is incomplete will no longer be used
World English Bible
but when that which is complete has come, then that which is partial will be done away with.
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Why do you think it's clear that "completeness," "what is complete," and "that which is complete" refers to the Bible?
 
Blain

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ResidentAlien said:
It's all pretend; there is no true gibberish and false gibberish. It's all gibberish.
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Maybe one of these days I can show you myself the real thing.
It's now about the globberish it's about the spirit behind it
 
ResidentAlien

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Eddy said:
Maybe one of these days I can show you myself the real thing.
It's now about the globberish it's about the spirit behind it
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Right, just like "prophets" don't to be correct, they just have to mean well.
 
Roughsoul1991

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proutled said:
HELLO EVERYONE, Speaking in tongues in a Gift from God, every believer has this gift, its up to the person, if he wants the gift or not,
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1 Corinthians 12:10-11
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10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.

We do not choose what gifts we operate in. The definition of gift is something given. It only comes as He wills to who He wills.


1 Corinthians 14:14-15
English Standard Version

14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. 15 What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also.

Paul urges the Corinthians who were speaking in tongues to either have an interpreter or pray/sing with the mind also because,


1 Corinthians 14:19
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19 Nevertheless, in church I would rather speak five words with my mind in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue.

Gibberish helps no one, not even yourself if you are not of the mind to understand it.
 
Blain

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ResidentAlien said:
Right, just like "prophets" don't to be correct, they just have to mean well.
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And who is to say I wasn't correct? We see in part. and every word and action has a ripple effect we often times don't see the ripples we create but that doesn't mean it isn't there.
He knows what he is doing wait and see
 
ResidentAlien

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Blain said:
And who is to say I wasn't correct? We see in part. and every word and action has a ripple effect we often times don't see the ripples we create but that doesn't mean it isn't there.
He knows what he is doing wait and see
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Sounds like a lot of word of faith mumbo-jumbo. BTW, I wasn't referring to your "prophecy," if that's what you want to call it. It speaks for itself.
 
Blain

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ResidentAlien said:
Sounds like a lot of word of faith mumbo-jumbo. BTW, I wasn't referring to your "prophecy," if that's what you want to call it. It speaks for itself.
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No it's just faith I believe in what I don't yet see. And I wasn't talking about the prophecy either.

I don't know if you remember this but since we are speaking of the prophecy if you recall I said God is calling you with a message for you and to pick up the phone already. I was being come at from several people but this I said to you in particular
 
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Blain said:
No it's just faith I believe in what I don't yet see. And I wasn't talking about the prophecy either.

I don't know if you remember this but since we are speaking of the prophecy if you recall I said God is calling you with a message for you and to pick up the phone already. I was being come at from several people but this I said to you in particular
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No I don't really remember it. Should I?
 
Moses_Young

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VARob said:
You're simply a denier, a cessationist.
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Have you ever tested the tongues? Two different translators write the interpretation down in different rooms for a cross-check? For all those claiming to be tongue-speakers, I've never seen this done.

I'm not saying I doubt God can do it - but judging by the false prophecies presented at these places, my expectation is that false tongues will be accepted with the same naivity. I once spoke in gibberish at such a place, and they told me it was speaking in tongues. Even after I kept insisting it was gibberish.
 
HeIsHere

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Aussie52 said:
Speaking in tongues in the New Testament times were human languages.
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Yes, exactly.
"Lingua" means the actual human tongue or languages.
Paul was not addressing "other worldly" languages which do not exist, but earthly languages in the congregation which were unknown to many of the hearers because the church at Corinth ( a port city) had congregants with different languages/tongues.
 
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