In your opinion do you believe world is about 6000 years old

[Fundaamental]

@hornetguy Thought the following scripture might be of interest. It specifically addresses the foundation of the world:


"That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
From the blood of Abel to ..." Luke 11:50-51

This is interesting,

What do you think the blood of the foundation means ?

Since the world and foundation are described as separate creations ?

But just a quick check of every new translation has foundation translated as beginning
Here's one

Luke 11:50-51
New Life Version
50 The blood of all the early preachers from the beginning of the world is on the people of this day. 51 It will be from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zacharias, the one who died between the altar and the house of God. For sure, I tell you, the people of this day will be guilty for this.

 

[Wansvic]

This is interesting,

What do you think the blood of the foundation means ?

Since the world and foundation are described as separate creations ?

But just a quick check of every new translation has foundation translated as beginning
Here's one

Luke 11:50-51
New Life Version
50 The blood of all the early preachers from the beginning of the world is on the people of this day. 51 It will be from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zacharias, the one who died between the altar and the house of God. For sure, I tell you, the people of this day will be guilty for this.

It is not blood of a foundation.

The scripture expresses that the blood of the first prophet Abel was shed at the time of the foundation of the world. This confirms the Genesis account, the foundation of the world was not laid millions/billions of years ago as some suppose.


"That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
From the blood of Abel to the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation." Luke 11:50-51

 

[Nehemiah6]

...to the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple...

Who was Christ referring to? Here is the passage:
And the Spirit of God came upon Zechariah the son of Jehoiada the priest, which stood above the people, and said unto them, Thus saith God, Why transgress ye the commandments of the LORD, that ye cannot prosper? because ye have forsaken the LORD, he hath also forsaken you. And they conspired against him, and stoned him with stones at the commandment of the king in the court of the house of the LORD. Thus Joash the king remembered not the kindness which Jehoiada his father had done to him, but slew his son. And when he died, he said, The LORD look upon it, and require it. (2 Chron 24:20-22)

 

[Omegatime]

Who was Christ referring to? Here is the passage:
And the Spirit of God came upon Zechariah the son of Jehoiada the priest, which stood above the people, and said unto them, Thus saith God, Why transgress ye the commandments of the LORD, that ye cannot prosper? because ye have forsaken the LORD, he hath also forsaken you. And they conspired against him, and stoned him with stones at the commandment of the king in the court of the house of the LORD. Thus Joash the king remembered not the kindness which Jehoiada his father had done to him, but slew his son. And when he died, he said, The LORD look upon it, and require it. (2 Chron 24:20-22)

Can it be the spelling of the name from different versions for they were talkng about Zechariah RSV

 

[Nehemiah6]

Can it be the spelling of the name from different versions for they were talkng about Zechariah RSV

No. What happened with the KJV is that the translators did not translate the Greek equivalents of the Hebrew words. They simply transliterated otherwise that should have also been Zechariah in the NT.

Ζαχαρίου Zachariou* = Ζαχαρίas*

*Strong's Concordance
Zacharias: Zacharias, the father of John the Baptist, Zechariah, the son of Barachiah
Original Word: Ζαχαρίας, ου, ὁ

 

[HeIsHere]

There is actually a huge problem with believing the Great Flood was only local. It calls into question the character, honesty and Word of God.

Genesis 9:11

King James Version

11 And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

There has been countless “local” floods, that has killed millions, and destroyed entire regions of Earth.

If the Great Flood was only local, then God broke His Word in the above passage.

I don’t think God ever breaks His Word.

Therefore the Flood covered the whole world.

Well, I would say local does not mean small.

As well, the key difference between Noah’s flood and other floods: the former was a judgment on all humanity except Noah and his family. Never again will God do that.

 

[Lanolin]

firstly my reasoning is the same to some extent but I would call it an interest.

We see in Corinthians
Something being described as a moment and a blink of the eye. But yet Genesis 1 isn't described that way.

CORINTHIANS
We will not all die, but we will all be transformed! It will happen in a moment, in the blink of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, those who have died will be raised to live forever.

The Jews translated CORINTHIANS to mean point blank something was transformed in a blink of an eye but yet not genesis 1.1

well it took 6 days and God had a rest on the 7th day so wouldnt you just go by the Jewish calendar on this one. Since only they would have been counting from the book of Genesis

If you want to know the number of years.
Most christians dont care for that as we count our years from the birth of Jesus AD in our reckoning. Anything before that is Before Christ

 

[blueluna5]

This is the assumption made that it was a world flood but the evidence for a local flood is just as compelling.

Well every ancient civilization has stories of a world flood (people who never met each other), sea shells found on mountains, marine animals in deserts, and of course water being such a great ingredient of weathering and erosion.

Here's a picture of a part of the grand canyon literally called "the wave. " usually when the solution seems so simple it's the answer. And...if that observation doesn't do it there's always the Colorado River at the bottom of it. God is truth. Public schools indoctrinate.

 

[Fundaamental]

well it took 6 days and God had a rest on the 7th day so wouldnt you just go by the Jewish calendar on this one. Since only they would have been counting from the book of Genesis

If you want to know the number of years.
Most christians dont care for that as we count our years from the birth of Jesus AD in our reckoning. Anything before that is Before Christ

That would be the easiest solution.

But there is a story that the garden of eden may not have even been in Isreal, or that Adam and Eve where not Jewish.

Then there's The Tora that was kept concealed in the ark of the covenant, there's no way of knowing if that Tora was spoke in a different lauguage that possessed powers only certain people could speak.

Or that the toras we have today are a true copy of that Tora.

There the story of Babel where the lord devided languages so no one would understand each other.

We then see the foundations of the earth as a separate creation of the earth.

But above all the bible tells us God has an ingenious scientific mind, that's able to map the DNA structure of a living being,

Who is an absolute genius in design and creation, we

It beggars belief he didn't plan the blue prints first. But then if he made the plans known perhaps people could become God's.

All we have is The fact God likes to cut stories short in oh 1000s of scriptures or more to keep things simple for us.

 

[blueluna5]

scientists claim the moon is moving away from the earth Not towards it friend

But the moon is it's only moving away from the earth at a rate of 3.8 cm a year, hardly nothing

Think about it but How could scientist have calculated if the earth was moving away from the earth 1000 years Ago.

And they don't know if it's moving away because of an orbital cycle. So it could start moving back soon

So this couldn't prove the age of the earth.

As for lack of plant life producing more or less oxygen because of lack of plant life, where do you think all the oxergen goes that has been produced by the earth upto now ?

Oxergen isn't flammable and the earths oceans soak a lot of it up

It hasn't left through some hole in space. It can only rise up so high because of atmospheric pressure that's why the further up you the less air there is

If any thing the earth is producing more oxergen because sea levels continue to rise.
When carbon molecules mix at the earths mantle drawn in by volcanoes

Plants when they burn that are full of oxergen, release there oxergen up into the air, and where there's been a fire the land will grow back a lot richer because of the potassium burning wood creates.

Plus more and more people are planting more trees then ever befor now so when they burn, again more oxergen but the oxergen doesn't disappear

But the funny thing is we don't have huge animals or mosquitoes even tho theres clear indication there's more oxygen in the earth now than ever befor so the scientific theory of things being bigger on earth because there was once more oxergen on earth is incorrect and sent you in the wrong direction And it can not determine the age of the earth or it's foundations age.
As water levels continue to rise
Scientists now believe the earths mantle is producing water by its self,

Scientist also believe half of the earths oxergen comes from the oceans

I'm not against the old earth theory in general, it's just that it's impossible scientifically.

Here's an article on the moon. If it's moving away from the earth in the past it was closer to the earth. It would have touched the earth 1.3 billion years ago. Of course that... would cause so much havoc on earth. But in any case they say earth is 4 billion years old. Its literally impossible just based on their own math.
https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/moon/inching-away-old-earth/

Oxygen levels are dropping. Here's a science article about how ancient bugs needed to be bigger bc of oxygen levels. It says we have 21% oxygen level compared to 31% "millions" of years ago. Of course they don't know when it had that much bc there's no way to observe it. The point is oxygen levels are decreasing and every science article will show that.

Where did all the oxygen go? We breathe it in and use it, animals do, even plants do at night when they can't make food with photosynthesis. Plants of course give oxygen as well. Marine life from oceans take it in as well. Oxygen use to be much higher.... this is coming from scientists.

https://www.livescience.com/1083-oxygen-giant-bugs.html

Science alone disproves the old earth theory. That's not even counting artifacts from history! And wow those get pretty juicy.

Like I said I use to believe what the public school taught. Omg now it's even worse...."chickens are descendents of dinosaurs. " I can't. Then we wonder why kids think adults are dumb.

 

[Fundaamental]

I'm not against the old earth theory in general, it's just that it's impossible scientifically.

Here's an article on the moon. If it's moving away from the earth in the past it was closer to the earth. It would have touched the earth 1.3 billion years ago. Of course that... would cause so much havoc on earth. But in any case they say earth is 4 billion years old. Its literally impossible just based on their own math.
https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/moon/inching-away-old-earth/

Oxygen levels are dropping. Here's a science article about how ancient bugs needed to be bigger bc of oxygen levels. It says we have 21% oxygen level compared to 31% "millions" of years ago. Of course they don't know when it had that much bc there's no way to observe it. The point is oxygen levels are decreasing and every science article will show that.

Where did all the oxygen go? We breathe it in and use it, animals do, even plants do at night when they can't make food with photosynthesis. Plants of course give oxygen as well. Marine life from oceans take it in as well. Oxygen use to be much higher.... this is coming from scientists.

https://www.livescience.com/1083-oxygen-giant-bugs.html

Science alone disproves the old earth theory. That's not even counting artifacts from history! And wow those get pretty juicy.

Like I said I use to believe what the public school taught. Omg now it's even worse...."chickens are descendents of dinosaurs. " I can't. Then we wonder why kids think adults are dumb.

if anything the earth has more oxergen than ever befor

Geological Record Shows Earth's Oxygen Came from Mantle Cooling. Researchers have discovered that the proliferation of oxygen in the Earth's atmosphere was linked to a sudden change in its mantle, billions of years ago, during the Paleoproterozoic era.30 May 2012

https://scitechdaily.com › geological...
Geological Record Shows Earth's Oxygen Came from ...

 

[blueluna5]

if anything the earth has more oxergen than ever befor

Geological Record Shows Earth's Oxygen Came from Mantle Cooling. Researchers have discovered that the proliferation of oxygen in the Earth's atmosphere was linked to a sudden change in its mantle, billions of years ago, during the Paleoproterozoic era.30 May 2012
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https://scitechdaily.com › geological...
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I can barely read it bc of all the ads. I'm not really sure your point.

Great Oxygenation Event, a period that occurred approximately 2.5 billion years ago.

Yes we had more oxygen in the past.

 

[Fundaamental]

I can barely read it bc of all the ads. I'm not really sure your point.

Great Oxygenation Event, a period that occurred approximately 2.5 billion years ago.

Yes we had more oxygen in the past.

to cut it short it scientifically proves the earths mantle is still producing water and oxergen to this day and has been for 2.5 billion years.

The mantle would be part of the foundation which is a separate creation to the earth that was placed on top of the foundations by God when ever that was

So if anything the earth has more oxergen than ever befor

 

[Lanolin]

That would be the easiest solution.

But there is a story that the garden of eden may not have even been in Isreal, or that Adam and Eve where not Jewish.

Then there's The Tora that was kept concealed in the ark of the covenant, there's no way of knowing if that Tora was spoke in a different lauguage that possessed powers only certain people could speak.

Or that the toras we have today are a true copy of that Tora.

There the story of Babel where the lord devided languages so no one would understand each other.

We then see the foundations of the earth as a separate creation of the earth.

But above all the bible tells us God has an ingenious scientific mind, that's able to map the DNA structure of a living being,

Who is an absolute genius in design and creation, we

It beggars belief he didn't plan the blue prints first. But then if he made the plans known perhaps people could become God's.

All we have is The fact God likes to cut stories short in oh 1000s of scriptures or more to keep things simple for us.

Are you saying the Jews only had calendars beginning from the time of Abraham or Jacob. Or maybe Moses.

Im not sure it matters that much. If you like counting backwards. Chinese calendars are very ancient too but go in 60 year cycles. The oldest trees still living estimated to be around 5000 years. You can count years by the rings, its a lot more reliable than other estimated forms of reckoning.

 

[KJVMan]

Why dont you do your own study starting at Genesis 5. Everythng you need is available to determine their birth, death, and the son that carried the generational line. Then the real questions begin like why were there no months or days given, and why the orthodox jews believe they were only in Egypt today for 215 years. Keep in mind these same jews wrote and use the Masorectic text today as all english bibles use. They dont believe their own text written about 900 AD about the years in Egypt but there is a reason they dont want it known.

Exodus 12,40 is clear. They were in Egypt in 430 years:
Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years.

 

[Fundaamental]

Are you saying the Jews only had calendars beginning from the time of Abraham or Jacob. Or maybe Moses.

Im not sure it matters that much. If you like counting backwards. Chinese calendars are very ancient too but go in 60 year cycles. The oldest trees still living estimated to be around 5000 years. You can count years by the rings, its a lot more reliable than other estimated forms of reckoning.

The Jewish calenders may only be repeating how earth was formed in its simplest forms, or how old it was, day 1 of the start of a beginning of when life on earth began etc

Where science and people become unstuck,

is they don't take into account the foundations are a separate creation, or that elements of an extremely old foundation has seeped into an earth when it comes to carbon dating.

 

[Fundaamental]

Day 1 may be an explanation of that begining

Day 2 all tho sounds likes the second day could be day one of that beginning.

Day 3 all tho sounds like the third day could actual be the start of that beginning and so fourth

Day 7 again could be start of that beginning.

 

[blueluna5]

to cut it short it scientifically proves the earths mantle is still producing water and oxergen to this day and has been for 2.5 billion years.

The mantle would be part of the foundation which is a separate creation to the earth that was placed on top of the foundations by God when ever that was

So if anything the earth has more oxergen than ever befor

If we have more oxygen why don't we have giant insects like before?

Also other planets have a mantle but no water as far as we know. And certainly nothing like our water. Plus the mantle is magma.

 

[Fundaamental]

If we have more oxygen why don't we have giant insects like before?

Also other planets have a mantle but no water as far as we know. And certainly nothing like our water. Plus the mantle is magma.

you do still see giant dragons fly's and trust me there huge, but generally where there is open country side no pollution.

It's argued that when oxergen was first released from the mantle it was more quickly at first because of a dramatic cooling effect in the mantle of the earth.

So basically the mantle pushed out more oxergen at once than it's ever done,

The ratio of gases in air was more oxergen than other gasses
At that time.

As a result you got bigger plants and trees etc.

But like you say the oxergen doesn't dispear it just builds up and fills the oceans and support all life.

 

[blueluna5]

you do still see giant dragons fly's and trust me there huge, but generally where there is open country side no pollution.

It's argued that when oxergen was first released from the mantle it was more quickly at first because of a dramatic cooling effect in the mantle of the earth.

So basically the mantle pushed out more oxergen at once than it's ever done,

The ratio of gases in air was more oxergen than other gasses
At that time.

As a result you got bigger plants and trees etc.

But like you say the oxergen doesn't dispear it just builds up and fills the oceans and support all life.

Um... no. If I see a 2.5 foot long dragon fly I'm praying for the end. Also I live in the country and no they're not here.