The Israelis set for new Jewish temple on Al-Aqsa site

[SilverFox7]

I am planning to look into the context of Ezekiel's section on this temple in the near future. All I remember at this point is it is prophesied to be built after Christ returns, but that doesn't make sense given the animal sacrifices. Those are not necessary anymore.

The temple described in Ezekiel 40-47 certainly appears to be a millennial temple where the Lord will dwell with Israel forever:

Ezekiel 43:7

New International Version


7 He said: “Son of man, this is the place of my throne and the place for the soles of my feet. This is where I will live among the Israelites forever. The people of Israel will never again defile my holy name—neither they nor their kings—by their prostitution and the funeral offerings[a] for their kings at their death.[b]

When Jesus returns to earth, it seems He will establish His throne in Judea where His chosen people will live with Him the way His covenant was intended to function within their society.

This section in Ezekiel also details Sabbaths, Holy Days, ceremonies, and even sacrifices (e.g. Ezek. 44: 24; 45: 17). My initial thoughts center around God's promises to His chosen people, Israel. They will live under the covenant God made with them as it was meant to be--a blessing for His people and an example to the rest of the world on how an ideal society should function on this finite planet. Jesus (and I believe David and the apostles, too) will be there to lead and guide the people to live in harmony with their God and yield all the benefits that come through observing the Law as it was intended to function--a blessing, not a curse.

How all of this will tie into God's eternal plan for the Israelites within the new covenant, Christianity, and the New Heavens and New Earth are fascinating to think about!

 

[birdie]

What did Jesus mean when He said, “this generation will not pass”?

https://www.gotquestions.org/this-generation-not-pass.html

Thanks JohnB for your posted question: What did Jesus mean when He said, "this generation will not pass?" I read the reference writing that you gave to answer this question. I thought it was a reasonable attempt to explain the verse. Still, I am not convinced that it has eliminated another possible interpretation. That would be that the term "generation" is not talking about a generation from one family member to the next born in line of that family, let's say, on average, about 20 to 30 years. Rather, the term 'generation' means "this type of person". When we look at Strong's Concordance, one of the definitions given is: "a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits, character ". To my mind, this fits in very well with the use of the term in Matthew 24. In various parts of the Bible, we have reference to 'this wicked generation' and to 'this evil generation'. A look at this type of person, being referred to in the Bible, can be found in the Pharisees who opposed Jesus, even though they claimed to be religious. If we use that type of person as what is meant in Matthew 24, then the verse from Matthew 24:34 "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled " would actually be meaning that right up until the end there would continue to be these types of religious people who claimed to be from God but who actually oppose Jesus. In this case, Jesus would have been letting them in on the realization that people opposing Christ, who claim to be religious, were not going away soon or instantly, but rather true believers should expect to be dealing with them right up to the end.

 

[Gojira]

Jesus died to conquer death so it isn't something we should be afraid of anymore. Also take comfort that if you're away from the body, you're present with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:8).

❧

Then bring on war and pestilence and famine!!! Ahh... to bask in the smell of burnt flesh...

 

[Jimbone]

Thanks JohnB for your posted question: What did Jesus mean when He said, "this generation will not pass?" I read the reference writing that you gave to answer this question. I thought it was a reasonable attempt to explain the verse. Still, I am not convinced that it has eliminated another possible interpretation. That would be that the term "generation" is not talking about a generation from one family member to the next born in line of that family, let's say, on average, about 20 to 30 years. Rather, the term 'generation' means "this type of person". When we look at Strong's Concordance, one of the definitions given is: "a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits, character ". To my mind, this fits in very well with the use of the term in Matthew 24. In various parts of the Bible, we have reference to 'this wicked generation' and to 'this evil generation'. A look at this type of person, being referred to in the Bible, can be found in the Pharisees who opposed Jesus, even though they claimed to be religious. If we use that type of person as what is meant in Matthew 24, then the verse from Matthew 24:34 "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled " would actually be meaning that right up until the end there would continue to be these types of religious people who claimed to be from God but who actually oppose Jesus. In this case, Jesus would have been letting them in on the realization that people opposing Christ, who claim to be religious, were not going away soon or instantly, but rather true believers should expect to be dealing with them right up to the end.

I appreciate your willingness to address the question head on. I do however think this argument it kind of weak and flimsy to be as fair as possible. For what you're presenting here it would be like this, after Jesus just got done describing the destruction of the temple and His disciples came and asked Him.
"Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"
Then He looks them in the eye's and answers with everything that would lead up to it and says ".........Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away."

With what you are proposing here He would have been saying "Truly, I say to you, this this evil type of person will not pass away until all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away."

I am not trying to be mean or insulting at all here. Please understand I LOVE this conversation, but that explanation just doesn't really fit in my opinion. I understand your example and how you could have come up with this generation maybe meaning that, but look at every example of the use of the word elsewhere, it's always talking about a unit of time having to do with offspring and age, usually 40 years. Jesus said the temple would be destroyed brick off of brick within a generation about 31-33 AD and the temple was destroyed having been pulled down brick off of brick in 68 AD just like He said. I just think that fits so much better, again to be fair, in my opinion.

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

The one that says, the Man of Sin will sit, on the Temple Throne, proclaiming to be God!

Kind of need a Temple to fulfill that Verse!

4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

What about a tabernacle like the Israelites had when they left Egypt ( see exodus chap. 25 and onward ) and wandered in the desert towards the promised land? If a temple cannot be built would a tabernacle do?

Revelation 13:6 (KJV)
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Blessings

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

What about a tabernacle like the Israelites had when they left Egypt ( see exodus chap. 25 and onward ) and wandered in the desert towards the promised land? If a temple cannot be built would a tabernacle do?

Revelation 13:6 (KJV)
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Blessings

you mean when it was a portable traveling Tent?

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

you mean when it was a portable traveling Tent?

yes, as a portable tent, they did this as a temporary measure. I know that now the jewish peoples have trained Levites and have done practice runs for the sacrifices. they have now the red heifers they need to proceed.

https://templeinstitute.org/

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

yes, as a portable tent, they did this as a temporary measure. I know that now the jewish peoples have trained Levites and have done practice runs for the sacrifices. they have now the red heifers they need to proceed.

https://templeinstitute.org/

this is a very good and valid point!

no, i agree. as long as there is a Throne that represents God's Throne, then it fits the bill.

Excellent Insight!
this definitely feels like it is coming from God!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

i will keep praying about this idea of yours.

it feels right in my spirit, and, this definitely would fit what Paul wrote about.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

if they were to move this Tent setup to the original spot and offer just ONE SACRIFICE, we would have an official Temple.

we are that close!

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

It could be, I have been thinking about this for about 2 years now. The space required is rather small, the tabernacle would probably fit on temple mount but i did not verify this at this point. VCO who has a thread on the third temple might know but might blast me for this idea, I might try to ask him. if the Jewish peoples go this way, the end could be very close indeed.

Blessings.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

It could be, I have been thinking about this for about 2 years now. The space required is rather small, the tabernacle would probably fit on temple mount but i did not verify this at this point. VCO who has a thread on the third temple might know but might blast me for this idea, I might try to ask him. if the Jewish peoples go this way, the end could be very close indeed.

Blessings.

his thread is good but he is not thinking anywhere in terms of a Tent, i promise you that.
yeah, see what he says!
i will try to follow that discussion for sure.

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

his thread is good but he is not thinking anywhere in terms of a Tent, i promise you that.
yeah, see what he says!
i will try to follow that discussion for sure.

i just asked VCO on his thread about the third temple.

Blessings.

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

I found this;

25m x 50m could fit there unless there are structures I am not aware.

Blessings.

 

[SilverFox7]

yes, as a portable tent, they did this as a temporary measure. I know that now the jewish peoples have trained Levites and have done practice runs for the sacrifices. they have now the red heifers they need to proceed.

https://templeinstitute.org/

It will be interesting to see how this story unfolds in the months and years ahead. It just seems like we are taking a step backwards as a race seeking to reinstitute an obsolete religious/worship system (of course, Orthodox Jews do not accept Jesus as the Messiah who will return to them again in the future):

Acts 7:48-49 KJV

Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, Heaven is my throne, And earth is my footstool: What house will ye build me? saith the Lord: Or what is the place of my rest?

Because of Christ, God dwells in our hearts, and we as Christians are temples of the Holy Spirit. If I remember correctly, I don't think God was thrilled with the idea David had of building Him a physical temple to begin with. He was just fine having His presence in the temporary tabernacle that was constructed after the exodus from Egypt.

 

[Miriam_Jasmine]

Christ was the true atonement for sins no third temple sacrifice system should be in place or supported by christians.And theres also the abomination maybe a past event.. it could be the 'temple' that's already there? 🤔

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

Christ was the true atonement for sins no third temple sacrifice system should be in place or supported by christians.And theres also the abomination maybe a past event.. it could be the 'temple' that's already there? 🤔

I agree that we do not need another temple for sacrifices. The Jewish people who do not believe in Jesus as the messiah want one, they apparently have the stones cut for it and are ready to build it. time will tell.

Many prophecies do have duality. In any case the Lord does as he wants when he wants we have no say in it and it is a good thing.

Blessings

 

[SilverFox7]

It will be interesting to see how this story unfolds in the months and years ahead. It just seems like we are taking a step backwards as a race seeking to reinstitute an obsolete religious/worship system (of course, Orthodox Jews do not accept Jesus as the Messiah who will return to them again in the future):

Acts 7:48-49 KJV

Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, Heaven is my throne, And earth is my footstool: What house will ye build me? saith the Lord: Or what is the place of my rest?

Because of Christ, God dwells in our hearts, and we as Christians are temples of the Holy Spirit. If I remember correctly, I don't think God was thrilled with the idea David had of building Him a physical temple to begin with. He was just fine having His presence in the temporary tabernacle that was constructed after the exodus from Egypt.

I looked up the primary verses quoted in Acts 7 above, and I love the verses that come after those cited above:


Isaiah 66:1-2

New International Version


Judgment and Hope

1 This is what the Lord says:
“Heaven is my throne,
and the earth is my footstool.
Where is the house you will build for me?
Where will my resting place be?
2 Has not my hand made all these things,
and so they came into being?”
declares the Lord.
“These are the ones I look on with favor:
those who are humble and contrite in spirit,
and who tremble at my word.

God emphasizes time-and-time again that religious ceremonies and impressive temples for worship are much less important than the way we approach and develop our relationship with Him. My attitude needs to be one of humility and reverence, striving to make my relationship stronger with Jesus Christ, so He can use me as a temple to share the good news and encourage people to seek out a relationship with our gracious and loving God.

II Samuel 7 sheds some helpful light on this temple discussion:

2 Samuel 7

New International Version

God’s Promise to David

1 After the king was settled in his palace and the Lord had given him rest from all his enemies around him, 2 he said to Nathan the prophet, “Here I am, living in a house of cedar, while the ark of God remains in a tent.”
3 Nathan replied to the king, “Whatever you have in mind, go ahead and do it, for the Lord is with you.”

4 But that night the word of the Lord came to Nathan, saying:
5 “Go and tell my servant David, ‘This is what the Lord says: Are you the one to build me a house to dwell in? 6 I have not dwelt in a house from the day I brought the Israelites up out of Egypt to this day. I have been moving from place to place with a tent as my dwelling. 7 Wherever I have moved with all the Israelites, did I ever say to any of their rulers whom I commanded to shepherd my people Israel, “Why have you not built me a house of cedar?”’

8 “Now then, tell my servant David, ‘This is what the Lord Almighty says: I took you from the pasture, from tending the flock, and appointed you ruler over my people Israel. 9 I have been with you wherever you have gone, and I have cut off all your enemies from before you. Now I will make your name great, like the names of the greatest men on earth. 10 And I will provide a place for my people Israel and will plant them so that they can have a home of their own and no longer be disturbed. Wicked people will not oppress them anymore, as they did at the beginning 11 and have done ever since the time I appointed leaders[a] over my people Israel. I will also give you rest from all your enemies.

“‘The Lord declares to you that the Lord himself will establish a house for you: 12 When your days are over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever.’”

17 Nathan reported to David all the words of this entire revelation.

God was not concerned about a temple being built for Him by David. He is more interested in the temple that will be built when He returns as David's offspring to establish the temple and kingdom of God forever.

Of course, the verses above refer in part to David's direct son, Solomon, and the temple he built for the Lord during the short "golden era" of the united kingdom of Israel. However, verses 11-16 primarily center around Jesus Christ in my opinion: "He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever" (v. 13).

If a 3rd temple is actually built before Jesus returns as a necessary part of end times events, Amen. But, the temple I am looking forward to is the one Jesus will build after He returns to earth and dwells with His people forever in the true Promised Land!

 

[Beckie]

What about a tabernacle like the Israelites had when they left Egypt ( see exodus chap. 25 and onward ) and wandered in the desert towards the promised land? If a temple cannot be built would a tabernacle do?

Revelation 13:6 (KJV)
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Blessings

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Paul is sometimes a mystery to me, I dont know what that means.