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proutled

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just a reminder the prayers of the righteous are answered, I can picture Jesus dispatching angels to there assignments as you pray,
 

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He has been showering me with His confirmation for a few years.
 
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Of Course - now what do you think that has to do with America's future??? The USA has NEVER BEEN a "Christian Nation", our Constitution FORBIDS it.
If this be the case then they will learn the meaning of verses 18-23 and we will sanctify and praise Jesus name in the truth of his word still, PRAISE JESUS!
 

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Of Course - now what do you think that has to do with America's future??? The USA has NEVER BEEN a "Christian Nation", our Constitution FORBIDS it.
Hi bob I think you might find this interesting on TBN hidden American history David Barton,,Tim Barton utbube God bless have a good time, :)
 
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Hi bob I think you might find this interesting on TBN hidden American history David Barton,,Tim Barton utbube God bless have a good time, :)
Also, his book called "Original Intent".
 

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Sounds interesting I found a lot of info on the constitution on TBN Amercian hidden history by david barton tim barton, that our constitutions idea's and principles from the bible, the men who put together the constitution were Godly men,
 

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Sounds interesting I found a lot of info on the constitution on TBN Amercian hidden history by david barton tim barton, that our constitutions idea's and principles from the bible, the men who put together the constitution were Godly men,
For the most part they were "Deists", and they did take parts of the Bible seriously, and manipulated it skillfully to justify any number of their sinful actions. But A "Christian nation"?? nah!! England was/is supposedly a "Christian country" with a KING who was/is "Head of the Church". ANd it's all nothing but politics.
 

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Sounds interesting I found a lot of info on the constitution on TBN Amercian hidden history by david barton tim barton, that our constitutions idea's and principles from the bible, the men who put together the constitution were Godly men,
What does "Godly men" mean? There is only one way to God and that is through Jesus Christ.

If what you are saying is they were deists I agree, but the devils are also deists.
 

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For the most part they were "Deists", and they did take parts of the Bible seriously, and manipulated it skillfully to justify any number of their sinful actions. But A "Christian nation"?? nah!! England was/is supposedly a "Christian country" with a KING who was/is "Head of the Church". ANd it's all nothing but politics.
Hello good morning, I can under stand on how you feel, our country has done a lot of back sliding, however even though half of our country is going the wrong direction, we need to stand because I dont beleave the media, I beleave there is more of us then them, and we the church must take back America , we can do all things though Christ Jesus who strengths us, we are in revival now, God wont let us down, we must go by faith not by site, God will have the last word, God be the Glory
 

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What does "Godly men" mean? There is only one way to God and that is through Jesus Christ.

If what you are saying is they were deists I agree, but the devils are also deists.
HELLO, Good morning.if you take a look at TBN American hidden history, by david barton about the consitution, todays history books in schools leave out a lot of facts about thoughs men, if you go and read there letters to one to an other you will see they talk about Jesus and faith and prayer, its all there,
 

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HELLO, Good morning.if you take a look at TBN American hidden history, by david barton about the consitution, todays history books in schools leave out a lot of facts about thoughs men, if you go and read there letters to one to an other you will see they talk about Jesus and faith and prayer, its all there,
George Washington has experiences that would tell me he was anointed by God and yet he was also a 33 degree Free Mason. Benjamin Franklin was definitely not a Christian. Jefferson, Hamilton, Burr, I highly doubt it.

I agree that the US was established by God, blessed by God, and strongly influenced by a variety of Christians and revivals. But I don't believe we were ever "led" or "run" by genuine born again believers who controlled the government. In my opinion half the people who say they are Christian mean they were born into a "christian family" and go to church. It doesn't mean they have personally had a salvation experience that resulted in a profession of faith and obeying the word of God by being baptized, etc.

Atheists talk about God and Jesus. How many of these leaders had a salvation experience, a profession of faith and then obeying the Lord's word to be baptized?

According to the NT the entire world lies in the evil one. Satan told the Lord he could put him over it all if He would worship Satan. I believe that word includes the USA.

From day 1 we had heinous version of slavery which was contrary to the word of God in the Bible both the old and new testament. Yet you had so called preachers and pastors justifying it. They were phony. Look at the treaties made and broken with the native Americans, that was also a violation of the Bible. I don't care what they said, look at what they did, the fruit clearly reveals this was not a "Christian" nation.

People think that because the money says "in God we trust" they are referring to Jesus. Baloney, the money is filled with Freemason symbols, their God is satan.
 

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Wallbuilders work is backed by thousands of original documents.
I hope you all; are as blessed from this as I was.
 

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If anyone disagrees --

Is the US somehow excluded from these verses?

John 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

I don't want to hear slanted histories that push one agenda or another. Let's talk about the US today. Does the US love the children of God, does the US love those who are born again and walk in the faith of Jesus Christ? We can see the hate in other countries, we see it in Canada, and Australia, and Europe, and of course the Islamic countries and the communist countries. Is the US somehow immune from this hate?

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.


Does "all the kingdoms of the world" include the US?

Luke 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

The FreeMasons worship Satan, the reason they always have a white and black checkerboard floor is because you can be evil like Stalin or appear "good" like Roosevelt. Both can be Freemasons. This is how Satan deceives the whole world.

John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

If the US is different and they don't hate the word of God why is it forbidden to be taught in the schools? They teach religious texts from Buddhism and Islam in the US public schools, but you can't teach the Bible or you will get fired. You can't speak the name of Jesus or you will get fired. You can mention Mohammed (as long as you are respectful) and you can refer to Buddha, but not to Jesus.

John 17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

Do you think this excludes the US?

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

If the Lord's kingdom is not of this world then it is not of this world, and that includes the US.

Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

There is no room in this post but the US will be judged just as Babylon was judged and just as Sodom and Gomorrah were judged.

Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Clearly the law condemns the US. Does anyone really think that it didn't condemn the US back in 1776 when slavery was legal or that it didn't condemn the US in the 1800s when we were killing native Americans and breaking treaties and robbing them blind? Or that it didn't condemn the US for false flag events of the last 100 years and the CIA (called the Cocaine Importing Agency by many around the world)? How about condemning the US for our multinational corporations that have created a vaccine for the whole world?

1Corinthians 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

Do christians realize how offensive it is to 95% of the world to portray the US as a "christian nation"? They see the things that are done in this nation and they are far more shocked, they are not Christian and yet they would never do the things that they see on TV and in the movies.

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

The children of disobedience describes the US, of course the US is part of the world and walks according to the prince of the power of the air.

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

The US is filled with idol worship, the sports stadiums are cathedrals to these idols. All the logos and names of these companies are like Babylon building the tower of Babel with the name of an idol on every brick.

2Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

The US is filled with the corruption that is in the world through lust. Judge a tree by its fruits.

2Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

Be warned. Christian nationalism is simply becoming entangled in the pollutions of the world.

1John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

We are ambassadors of the Kingdom of the heavens, the things of this world are passing away and that includes the US.

1John 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
 

proutled

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Wallbuilders work is backed by thousands of original documents.
I hope you all; are as blessed from this as I was.
SHITTIM you just hit the nail, BINGO, PEOPLE MUST GO AND DO THERE OWN RESEARCH, DONT GO BY THE HISTORTY BOOKS THAT DONT TELL THE HOLE TRUTH,
 

shittim

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David Bartons, Wallbuiders is an honest site to find the truth about the founding of this nation. Thank you and bless you brother:)(y):unsure::coffee:
 

ZNP

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Wallbuilders work is backed by thousands of original documents.
I hope you all; are as blessed from this as I was.
These are great stories and it demonstrates that we had many men of faith in our history, and that our history was greatly influenced by men of faith. But it doesn't change the fact that the whole world lies in the evil one. How is it that many men in US history were anti slavery and yet slavery was legal in a democracy? These are people of the word of God, the world hates them and the world is "the majority". Slavery didn't become illegal because Americans became Christians it became illegal because of the industrial revolution, the economy changed and it was cheaper to pay labor by the hour than to house and feed and care for your labor.

Consider the battle over abortion. At one point in our history we had abortion legal in every single state and we had over 60 million abortions. Yes, many people were against it, probably even 50%, and yes those Christians kept at it till they hypocrisy of the governments ruling was open for all to see. But they still have not outlawed this practice. They have simply said it is up to the states. Some states have more restrictive laws than others, but I don't know if there is a single state that absolutely outlaws it and it is certainly not considered a crime. If you can't get an abortion in your state you can go to another one and no one will consider you a criminal.

You cannot call a country that has 60 million abortions a "christian country". These aren't back alley, they are done out in the open according to the laws of the land.
 
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Sounds interesting I found a lot of info on the constitution on TBN Amercian hidden history by david barton tim barton, that our constitutions idea's and principles from the bible, the men who put together the constitution were Godly men,
Montesquieu, a Christian, formulated separation of powers, knowing human sinful nature.

Blackstone developed the idea of "natural law", and said that any law not founded on Biblical principles was not valid.

John Locke, a Christian, further described "natural law", and the "social compact".

These are just some of the men the founders based their views on. In addition, we see in the Northwest ordinance the banning of slavery and, as memory serves, it "encouraged" the teaching of the Bible in public schools:

Religion, morality and knowledge being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.

Here are some more links to peruse:

https://christianheritagefellowship.com/congress-purchases-and-endorses-the-bible/

https://christianheritagefellowship.com/americas-founding-fathers-were-not-deists/

https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel04.html
 

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Hello good morning, I can under stand on how you feel, our country has done a lot of back sliding,
And 200 years ago we were legally murdering Native americans by the box lot because we "needed their land", and legally murdering Black folk because they weren't even "Human beings" - just anomals to own. I had a Baptist in Alabama 40 years ago ask me if I could PROVE Biblically that a N***er had a "Soul". Of course you can't "Prove" anything to that kind of fool.
We "backslid" centuries ago. Nowadays we Murder our Babes as "Birth control", because we don't want to deal with 'em.

Some "Christian nation we've always been!!!

Fine brave speeches about our National GLORY and we can't even hold an "election" that anybody trusts any more.