Sexual Sin?
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It's fine to disagree. I happen to agree that something does not have to be explicitly identified as sin in Scripture for it to be sinful. I also happen to agree regarding chemicals and addiction. Dopamine and oxytocin are released with a wide variety of activities, any of which can become addictive, though very few are considered "sinful".
That said, I find that most people who hold a strong negative opinion on the subject think that their position is clearly supported by Scripture, when in fact it is not. Challenge a person to find Scripture to support their opinion, and they either mention Onan (whose situation is vaguely relevant at best) or dodge and weave in discomfort.
Perhaps the better approach is to examine why you think this particular activity is sinful, and whether your reasons for thinking such actually support your conclusion. It's one thing to consider the behaviour inappropriate or even to be personally disgusted by it, but such remain opinions, not objective facts. Our objective standard, the Bible, doesn't call it "sin" no matter how much we might think it does, or wish it did.
The solution is self-control, not condemnation. Trust the Holy Spirit to speak to others about their issues... and to you about yours.
It's fine to disagree. I happen to agree that something does not have to be explicitly identified as sin in Scripture for it to be sinful. I also happen to agree regarding chemicals and addiction. Dopamine and oxytocin are released with a wide variety of activities, any of which can become addictive, though very few are considered "sinful".
That said, I find that most people who hold a strong negative opinion on the subject think that their position is clearly supported by Scripture, when in fact it is not. Challenge a person to find Scripture to support their opinion, and they either mention Onan (whose situation is vaguely relevant at best) or dodge and weave in discomfort.
Perhaps the better approach is to examine why you think this particular activity is sinful, and whether your reasons for thinking such actually support your conclusion. It's one thing to consider the behaviour inappropriate or even to be personally disgusted by it, but such remain opinions, not objective facts. Our objective standard, the Bible, doesn't call it "sin" no matter how much we might think it does, or wish it did.
The solution is self-control, not condemnation. Trust the Holy Spirit to speak to others about their issues... and to you about yours.
I do not remember condemning anyone.
Nor did I remember expressing disgust.
Have a good day.
Ezekiel 36:26
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.
Look.... I didn't say I did these things things. I am asking a question. I'm curious.
Why do you feel the right to judge me when you don't know me or if I actually participate in these things.
IMO, to answer your question directly, I do not believe masturbation while thinking about/viewing your wife is sin.
Any other masturbation, again IMO, would be sin because you are lusting after someone other than your wife in your thoughts and or vision.
Nope. Why, are you?
That's not in scripture. Doesn't the tenth commandment objectify people? (The wife, the manservant and the maidservant are objects not to be coveted?) All people afterall are objects, as well as people.
The scriptures go into lots of detail about sexual sins that I would have thought unthinkable - lying with one's mother, lying with animals, men lying with men! I'm not talking about pornography and lust which are clearly spoken against. But if masturbation was as serious a sin as some claim, I would have expected it to rate a mention with not lying with another man, a relative or an animal!
The Bible clearly says that any sexual activity outside marital intercourse between a man and woman is disordered. Many of the specifics are mentioned, many are not. Masturbation takes place in the context of lust and/or pornography 99% of the time, but even if one could, conceivably, commit that act without lust (which is doubtful) it's still a sexual act (with oneself) outside marriage.
I was responding to someone else. We've already discovered that you and I can't have fruitful discussion.
It's an open forum and all are welcome to contribute. The only thing we have discovered is that you get upset when challenged to support your claims about Scripture with Scripture.
No it is not ok . When we do so it is adding or subtracting from Scripture .Ok.
Looking at your wife lustfully is not a sin, because it wouldn't be adultery.
Exactly. Lusting after one's wife is actually impossible. Dino246 put it well in a previous post - comparable to stealing one's own money (hint: it's not stealing if its yours). It's not lust if she's your wife - desire or love maybe, but not lust.
I disagree - if a man uses his wife solely for sexual pleasure, without loving her or considering her needs, essentially objectifying her, of course that would be lustful. Of course, the extreme example to refute your statement would be the case of r-pe, but these things can occur by degrees. Just because you're married to someone doesn't mean everything you do sexually is lawful.
Marital rape is different to lust - one is a crime in most places, the other is a sin. And by definition, a man cannot lust over his wife anymore than he can steal his own possessions. To be unloving doesn't mean that one is lustful. Words mean something, and we should be careful not to contort them, to inhibit evil men using the language for evil purposes. "Hate speech" is an example of where sloppy/lazy word usage may lead.