'Severed from Christ' cannot be interpretated into anything but eternally lost.
Hebrews 6
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We view it a little differently. I do believe people can associate themselves with Jesus and the church and not truly be redeemed. And these folks, I believe, are the ones who are falling away. But I don't believe someone who is truly born again can. They may suffer chastisement, sickness and even death. How does one even become unborn again?
What would it look like to be "unborn " again?
Ephesians negative 2:8-9...For by ungrace are you unsaved through unfaith; and that of yourself, of works, so every man can boast...
Ephesians negative 2:8-9...For by ungrace are you unsaved through unfaith; and that of yourself, of works, so every man can boast...
this is true nothing can separate us from the love of Christ. He loves many all the way to Hell if they neglect so great a Salvation.
you are avoiding my ?. answer yes or no, please. nothing complicated here. with your kind of belief, no one would ever know if they are saved. obviously you didn't read 1st John 5:13! there is no debate? we are debating now, or discussing. i am saved & i totally know it. if you think you are a b.a. Christian, you don't even know if you are saved. no sense in that. i am going to politely end this conversation with you now. all manner of blessings to you & enjoy the summer.
can you explain this more? where does it say HUMANS cant restore, only Holy Spirit? Not arguing, but asking! Wish you could read my attitude thru the screen.
John 6:37
I don't think the "whoever" is actually in John 6:37. The sense of it being that those, and only those, whom the Father gave to
Christ will/can come to Him. No others.
John 6:37
New International Version
All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.
New Living Translation
However, those the Father has given me will come to me, and I will never reject them.
English Standard Version
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
Berean Standard Bible
Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will never drive away.
Berean Literal Bible
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one coming to Me, I shall not cast out.
King James Bible
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
New King James Version
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.
New American Standard Bible
Everything that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I certainly will not cast out.
NASB 1995
“All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.
NASB 1977
“All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.
Legacy Standard Bible
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will never cast out.
Amplified Bible
All that My Father gives Me will come to Me; and the one who comes to Me I will most certainly not cast out [I will never, never reject anyone who follows Me].
Christian Standard Bible
Everyone the Father gives me will come to me, and the one who comes to me I will never cast out.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will never cast out.
American Standard Version
All that which the Father giveth me shall come unto me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“Everyone whom my Father has given me shall come to me, and whoever will come to me I shall not cast out.”
Contemporary English Version
Everything and everyone that the Father has given me will come to me, and I won't turn any of them away.
Douay-Rheims Bible
All that the Father giveth to me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me, I will not cast out.
English Revised Version
All that which the Father giveth me shall come unto me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Everyone whom the Father gives me will come to me. I will never turn away anyone who comes to me.
Good News Translation
Everyone whom my Father gives me will come to me. I will never turn away anyone who comes to me,
International Standard Version
Everything the Father gives me will come to me, and I'll never turn away the one who comes to me.
Literal Standard Version
all that the Father gives to Me will come to Me; and him who is coming to Me, I will never cast outside,
Majority Standard Bible
Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will never drive away.
New American Bible
Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and I will not reject anyone who comes to me,
NET Bible
Everyone whom the Father gives me will come to me, and the one who comes to me I will never send away.
New Revised Standard Version
Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and anyone who comes to me I will never drive away;
New Heart English Bible
All those whom the Father gives me will come to me. Him who comes to me I will in no way throw out.
Webster's Bible Translation
All that the Father giveth me, shall come to me; and him that cometh to me, I will in no wise reject.
Weymouth New Testament
Every one whom the Father gives me will come to me, and him who comes to me I will never on any account drive away.
World English Bible
All those whom the Father gives me will come to me. He who comes to me I will in no way throw out.
Young's Literal Translation
all that the Father doth give to me will come unto me; and him who is coming unto me, I may in no wise cast without,
No "whoever":
Jhn 6:37
All G3956 that G3739 the Father G3962 giveth G1325 me G3427 shall come G2240 to G4314 me; G1691 and G2532 him that cometh G2064 to G4314 me G3165 I will G1544 ➔ in no wise G3364 cast G1544 out. G1854
[Jhn 6:44 KJV] 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Him that cometh is the whoever, those God gives and are drawn.
Jesus' Words in John 6:65
Not to split hairs with you, and quite possibly we're both saying the same thing,
but I would phrase it as "that cometh is the whoever AND ARE ONLY those whom God gives..."