What is WRONG with Pre-Trib Rapture? 06/12/2023 (part 1)
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Once again I will "patiently listen" and with an open mind. This is the second time he has shared this and I have posted it and when I post it on this thread I listen to the entire thing.
I do not tell others that they are going to be raptured and they aren't going to have to face any trouble. On the contrary look at the previous post, 3 things you must do to be raptured. The third thing is to take up your cross and follow Him. That implies being scourged, spit upon, mocked, and put to death.
On this thread I have spent a great deal of time (because the scripture spends a great deal of time) focusing on sins, sins of the church and the need to repent. I have also said repeatedly I only believe that about 1/6th of believers will be raptured before the tribulation and that about 5/6th will go through the tribulation.
Finally, he says that "pushing a pre trib rapture" will cause some Christians to fall away from Christ, I think I understand what he is saying and I am not pushing that doctrine that all believers get raptured before the tribulation. On the other hand I believe that the pre trib rapture will cause a great revival and returning to the Lord like Lazarus coming out of the grave caused the whole world to go after the Lord.
There are pastors making false promises and they will be exposed and put to an open shame, I have covered this extensively on this thread. What happens when trouble arrives? When trouble arrives you learn that the Lord's word that you must take up your cross and follow Him is true. Today there are Christians who don't want to make waves, they are willing to compromise with the word of God to fit in, they are willing to go along to get along. During the tribulation that option will be taken away from them.
But even Stan believes there will be a Pre tribulation rapture of the dead in Christ. He has shared Ken Peters dream. That is proof that you don't need to go through the tribulation to be raptured. Some Christians have chosen to suffer for Christ, they do not shy away from making waves, they refuse to compromise with the word of God. There is no need for them to go through the tribulation, on the contrary by rapturing them you confirm that they were the ones who were following the Lord faithfully.
He does a nice job of going through Albert Pike's book and his vision of the coming 3 world wars. But then he says the third world war is set up in a way that people realize they must reject atheism, they need a god, but they are disillusioned with Christianity. He thinks the reason they are disillusioned is because there is no pre tribulation rapture. This is a trivial doctrine, it seems to me that most Christians (not all, but most) will not even talk about prophecy or eschatology. It seems to me that it is the apostate church which is causing people to be disillusioned. Satanist pretending to be pastors leading their congregation astray. Embracing the LGBTQ+ agenda, marrying the world, dwelling where Satan's throne is, and being dead as a doornail. Already we are seeing many, many people leaving Christianity for what? For new age movement, for materialism, for hedonism, for idolatry, witchcraft, and every evil thing. Teleevangelists in mansions with luxury cars and gold chains are what is causing people to be disillusioned.
Here is another example of being told "what is wrong with the Pre trib rapture" and I am 15 minutes into the video without a single verse reference. If what he means by "pre trib" rapture is "all believers" then I agree, no Biblical basis, a false doctrine. But he hasn't even defined the terms yet.
There is an air of arrogance in Stan, he says the Post trib people do not get bothered by the pre tribbers, it is the pre tribbers who get bothered by the post trib. I don't know what he is talking about. But I certainly don't get bothered by this. I am listening because he is going to present the Bible from a different angle (supposedly, that is what he is promising) and so I figure I'll get some light one way or the other. We don't learn from people who agree with us, we learn from those who have a different opinion.
One thing is obvious, he equates being disillusioned with Christianity with the doctrine of the pre trib rapture. That just seems laughable to me. Open your eyes, the multitude is disillusioned with Christianity right now and it has nothing to do with the pre trib rapture doctrine. Do you think King Charles wants to be the defender of all faiths because of that doctrine? The biggest movements right now are the Green new deal concerning "climate change" and the LGBTQ+ agenda. They don't even talk about the rapture.
According to Albert Pike Christianity and Atheism will both be destroyed at the same time. Now so far everything Albert Pike said had come to pass concerning WW1 and WW2, yet we know that Satan cannot defeat Jesus or His church. So the destruction of "christianity" is a scarecrow that Satan has made, it is the apostate church. What would cause both of these (Christianity and Atheism) to be destroyed "at the same time"? That would be the rapture. The believers who filled with the Holy Spirit are restraining Satan. When they are removed Satan is fully revealed and manifested and he will hate and destroy the apostate church, calling it "christianity" and saying they lied to you. They did lie to you. But atheism is also destroyed because it will be obvious there is a God.
Saying I didn't do my study or didn't dig it out of the scripture is absurd. We are on post #8,595, every post is biblically based. Not every link that I share states the Biblical basis but that is simply because I already have (those would be the posts showing that the things Jesus referred to as birth pains are becoming more frequent and more intense). Many of those links are from outstanding Bible teachers because "by the mouth of two or three witnesses let a thing be established".
At the 16:31 point he begins to go over the chart from some Bible teacher and so we can consider this a reference to the Bible, at least inferentially. This person (not someone that I have posted a link to) has the rapture taking place to a 7 year period called the marriage feast and then Jesus returning. His first complaint is that this person left out the feasts (that is not true of those I have posted links to: Dr. Barnet, Dr. Barry Awe, Pastor Armstrong, and others -- they have all dug extensively into the feasts). His second complaint is that the marriage does not take place on the Feast of Trumpets, but Jesus' return does, hence it can't be seven years. Most people that I have heard teach on this, and something I subscribe to, is that the pattern is King David reigning for 7 1/2 years in Hebron before being made King in Jerusalem. You can also see this pattern in the king's wedding to Esther. The seven years refers to the one week that Leah, the gentile bride, had (we think Leah represents the gentiles because the term "weak eyes" can mean blue eyes).
At 18 minutes he says that prophetic time stopped when Jesus arose. I would tweak that a little, I would say that prophetic time changed when Jesus ascended and I would argue that Jesus ascended on Shavuot (contrary to traditional teaching). After the resurrection Jesus disappeared for a week, he appeared to the disciples on the day of resurrection and then the second time He appears it is a week later. This is because He had to consecrate the priests of the temple for a week (the saints who rose with Him at the feast of firstfruits?) This means that Jesus appearing to the disciples for 40 days was not 40 days after the resurrection but 48 days after or 51 days after the Passover sabbath. Shavuot with Moses going up the mountain is a perfect depiction of Jesus ascension and it is ridiculous to say Jesus was conceived on Hanukkah (the rededication of the temple of man), He was born on Trumpets, circumcised on Atonement, died on Passover, resurrected on Firstfruits, and well ascended on a nothing day. Also if this is two or three days before Shavuot why would Jesus have to tell the disciples to tarry in Jerusalem? If they are there to celebrate Shavuot then of course they will wait another day or two. However, if the ascension is Shavuot then it makes perfect sense they must tarry for 50 days, depicting a completion of grace. Shavuot is called the Feast of weeks because it is based on seven complete sabbaths based on the cycle of the moon. That means it is not 50 days, it is 52 days at the very least and maybe 53 days. Jesus tells them to tarry until they are endued with power, then He ascends to the throne then we are told when the feast of pentecost was fully come, that is the feast of 50 days. We have just switched from sabbaths and the lunar calendar to days and the Roman calendar! This is why I believe prophetic time changed when Jesus ascended to the throne.
