Agreed. We do indeed need the written word. However, if God intended that the written word would be all that we need (as John146 claimed), He would not have given us His Spirit.
Proof that personal prophecy is also for 1 individual to another.
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God's Spirit leads us to the truth of his written word. They work hand in hand. The Holy Spirit will not reveal any truth outside of the word of truth. Yes?
This seems to be a distortion of the meaning of my post, so I cannot respond to it lest it lead to some unending chatter, but it does have tn appearance of profound thought.
Wrong.
God's Spirit will speak truth for the individual, and it is common that the truth spoken is a verse or passage of Scripture, or a scriptural principle found in or constructed from several verses. The Spirit may also speak truth that is not written in Scripture. He may speak about a personal situation, convict of a specific sin, provide insight, give direction, or reveal the future. If you think the Holy Spirit can only speak what is already written in Scripture, you have limited Him.
How could that be a "distortion" when it was the actual testimony of Jesus? The Lord Jesus Christ has testified that the entire Bible is prophetic -- that it reveals the spirit of prophecy and reveals Christ on every page. The Holy Spirit gave the prophets and apostles the actual words written down in Hebrew and Greek, and the focus is always on Christ.
When God created the first Adam He already saw the last Adam (Christ) putting things in their correct order, and establishing His dominion over all creation. That was already prophetic (including the marriage of Adam and Eve).
But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. (Heb 2:6-9).
After Christ tasted death for every man and rose triumphant from the tomb, He said that all power and authority in Heaven and earth had been given to Him. Thus He was crowned with glory and honor, and He undid what the first Adam had done. Therefore Christ said that the Torah already revealed Him.
You need to remember that Jesus is a Jew under the Mosaic Law & until His resurrection His ministry was only to the Jews. He then revealed the New Testament of Grace to Paul. That is the message Christians need to follow. There is Scripture directed at Jews & Scripture directed at Gentiles. Make sure you interpret what is correct for you.
Jesu Yeshua, the Good Shepherd, has two flocks which He has joined together. The first, Israel, the second all Gentiles who believe Him. This, in effect, makes all believers joined in the first, the Israel of Yah, God.
The capital of the new Israel is the New Jerusalem yet to be brought down by Elohanu.. Blessed are all wh wait on the Lord, amen
The capital of the new Israel is the New Jerusalem yet to be brought down by Elohanu.. Blessed are all wh wait on the Lord, amen
The New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), A.K.A. Independent Network Christianity (INC), are the ones really pushing the whole prophecy thing. Granted, it's been gaining ground since Pentecostalism became a thing; but the NAR are the ones really driving it today. It goes hand-in-hand with the "restoration" of apostles. The apostles and prophets are the ones who will lead us into the golden age; or so they say.
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I've heard this one before and I wish someone would educate me on who or what group teaches this because it is off the rails.
Considering there was NO New Testament while it was being written in the form of letters, what scriptures is Paul talking about when he wrote the following to Timothy:
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, II Timothy 3:16
So, any idea what Paul had in mind, as an Apostle to the Gentiles, when he wrote that?
So please do make sure you interpret correctly what God meant for you to know.
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Well, guilty as charged and people should run. But, they are far far far from the only ones putting prophecy before God and before the Bible.
Going to church today is a bit like walking through a mine field.
It is true that NAR believes they will bring earth under the dominion of Christ and they are 'getting the earth ready' for that event. This can also be called the 'The Dominionist Movement'
So called personal prophecy (not really a Bible thing) has become very popular and people will line up to 'hear form God'
Which opens the door to Joseph Smith and anyone else claiming they have a voice from God outside of scripture.
The problem is not that there is an open door to such, but rather that people do not choose to give the written word its proper place. As I have stated before, no modern "prophecy" or "word from the Lord" is an addition to Scripture, nor does it supersede Scripture. However, that simply does not preclude the Spirit from speaking to people about their personal situations, and not using Scripture to do so.
As in..."Lord, let me know if this job is right for me?"
I would say...well, does the job line up with scripture? Does it allow you to live out your faith and provide for your family? If one knows scripture, then the Holy Spirit can lead you to understand what job situation is good or bad.
With respect, you have crafted your question to presume the answer.
How about choosing between two cars? Or which (literal) road to travel? Whether to plant the rose bush "here" or "there"? What about nudges from the Holy Spirit to call a friend or give to a need? What about asking the Lord whether to pick up a hitchhiker?
Your view precludes the Spirit speaking to you about any of these "mundane" situations, yet those who communicate more freely with the Lord find these messages commonplace. Have you ever read anything by John Eldredge? If not, I would recommend any of his books.
I believe there are daily decisions outside of scripture that has no bearing on life. The Lord is concerned about our hearts and living for him. I don't think where a rose bush is planted is a concern with the Lord.
Don't you think the Lord would be pleased to be included in any moment in our lives? Would he have a preference that a rose be planted here or there? or at least an opinion? such as His reply to you might be, "it would receive more sunlight here but the soil is depleted so you'd have to be sure to...or the soil is rich there but it is more shaded so you'd have to be sure not to..."?
Only if it's scripture...too many people look for answers outside of what the Lord's already given to us.
Scripture promises He will help me, and hold me by His right hand... I think He would go as far as to tell me, after offering his insight, that, knowing me, even though it might look better here, I would do best to put it there rather than here considering it would need less watering there and I tend to be a slouch at watering, or if I'm too zealous for watering, to put it here.
They want their ears tickled.
That's why the false prophets are thriving.