Ukraine the bad guy?

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Gojira

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russia disagrees with the homo life style and refuses to bow to thee woke movement, who you gonna trust?
Neither of them, really... but a side in this matter should be taken, and it should be on the side of the nation that was unjustifiably invaded.
 

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Neither of them, really... but a side in this matter should be taken, and it should be on the side of the nation that was unjustifiably invaded.
Russia warned many times that the expansion of NATO posed an existential threat to them ... so it was a pre-emptive move to protect their sovereignty against NATO expansion and the American desire to dismantle Russian power and influence.
 

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Neither of them, really... but a side in this matter should be taken, and it should be on the side of the nation that was unjustifiably invaded.
Well....the tinfoil hat crowd is right now batting 1000, so I would venture to guess that the "illegal Ukraine biolabs" theory is highly probable to be an accurate assessment.

The motives for building these labs are of course entirely sinister. Which is yet another theory.

But....no doubt the security agencies the world over know the fact of the matter in this case.
 
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so, your ukrainian miltiary just blew up a dam, which will cause destruction in ukraine.

try and blame that on one on putin.
Seems that Russia destroyed the dam since the explosion occured from the inside of it and Russia was occupying the dam. Russia also has been doing a spate of false flag attacks on itself because they know they will lose, so tactically they're just scorched earthing the places they invaded and occupied since Jesus Christ will not let them continue their satanic ambitions of murdering and occupying and stealing and creating a satanic principality all based on lies and sin. Satan's soldiers are wicked and nasty, what can anyone say? More reason to continue the holy war to destroy the satanic Russian principality forever and PRAISE JESUS.

 

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Seems that Russia destroyed the dam since the explosion occured from the inside of it and Russia was occupying the dam. Russia also has been doing a spate of false flag attacks on itself because they know they will lose, so tactically they're just scorched earthing the places they invaded and occupied since Jesus Christ will not let them continue their satanic ambitions of murdering and occupying and stealing and creating a satanic principality all based on lies and sin. Satan's soldiers are wicked and nasty, what can anyone say? More reason to continue the holy war to destroy the satanic Russian principality forever and PRAISE JESUS.

As long as the US supports Ukraine Russia is not going to win. I'm sure they realize that.
 
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As long as the US supports Ukraine Russia is not going to win. I'm sure they realize that.

How flattering for the Americans, and though America does much good on this subject, no, that's not the reason at all. It's because Jesus himself is against Russia that Russia can't win rather. America really only is supplying stuff, but really it is Jesus Christ fighting this war, strengthening Ukraine out of nowhere, and causing Russia to be torn apart and stumble over and over again because of their own lies. In many ways a central theme of this war is how much Russia entire principality and system is given over to Satan and the power of the lie. Praise Jesus Christ the True God for fighting against Wicked Russia, praise Jesus Christ for defending the truth, praise Jesus Christ for strengthening the brave. And even praise Jesus for the Holy Russia revolution erupting all over Russia, perhaps this was necessary for many of the good Russians to break Putin's satanic spell and rise up and re-sanctify themselves into God after the long Unholy Soviet-Putin Era. PRAISE JESUS!

 

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on top of the dam they blew up, story came out today the c i a here in america warned the white house that ukriane was planning on blowing up the nord stream pipeline.

they apparently rented a yacht in germany with fake passports and sailed out to the site..

so, both sides are running false flags against each other,

with ukraine running more than russia.
 

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on top of the dam they blew up, story came out today the c i a here in america warned the white house that ukriane was planning on blowing up the nord stream pipeline.

they apparently rented a yacht in germany with fake passports and sailed out to the site..

so, both sides are running false flags against each other,

with ukraine running more than russia.
Yep, pretty much the same thing they said about Lee Harvey Oswald and some diabetic guy living in a cave in Afghanistan.

It's always hard to know what to make of the testimony of a guy whose specialty is lying.
 
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Gojira

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How flattering for the Americans, and though America does much good on this subject, no, that's not the reason at all. It's because Jesus himself is against Russia that Russia can't win rather. America really only is supplying stuff, but really it is Jesus Christ fighting this war, strengthening Ukraine out of nowhere, and causing Russia to be torn apart and stumble over and over again because of their own lies. In many ways a central theme of this war is how much Russia entire principality and system is given over to Satan and the power of the lie. Praise Jesus Christ the True God for fighting against Wicked Russia, praise Jesus Christ for defending the truth, praise Jesus Christ for strengthening the brave. And even praise Jesus for the Holy Russia revolution erupting all over Russia, perhaps this was necessary for many of the good Russians to break Putin's satanic spell and rise up and re-sanctify themselves into God after the long Unholy Soviet-Putin Era. PRAISE JESUS!

God uses and works through human effort. We are expected to plant, water, etc. We are co-laborers. But, I do agree that ultimately if God is not in it, you will not win. And, vice versa.
 
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Russia warned many times that the expansion of NATO posed an existential threat to them ... so it was a pre-emptive move to protect their sovereignty against NATO expansion and the American desire to dismantle Russian power and influence.
Except that Putin has expressed the desire to re-establish the old Soviet territory and buffer states, since he feels that Russia's lost its glory since the fall of the SU. So, I cannot help but think that that self-defense narrative is just a ruse.
 

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Except that Putin has expressed the desire to re-establish the old Soviet territory and buffer states, since he feels that Russia's lost its glory since the fall of the SU. So, I cannot help but think that that self-defense narrative is just a ruse.
The motivations are a mixed bag IMO. But there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that the "spark plug" firing off this debacle is indeed the plots, schemes and warcraft inculcated over many decades against Russia by the Western powers.

I think Putin was perfectly happy doing business with the West and would have preferred to keep the peace. But the West had other plans.
 

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Except that Putin has expressed the desire to re-establish the old Soviet territory and buffer states, since he feels that Russia's lost its glory since the fall of the SU. So, I cannot help but think that that self-defense narrative is just a ruse.
Well I think in his mind he wonders why the USA gets the all the glory, so yes on some level he would like to see Russia again as a strong nation and world leader.

But the self-defense narrative is real go back to fall of the Berlin wall and the promises of USA and how Russia was left in tatters.

I find people never have the long view they look at the past two/three years and think they have the full picture, it does not work that way.
 

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How flattering for the Americans, and though America does much good on this subject, no, that's not the reason at all. It's because Jesus himself is against Russia that Russia can't win rather. America really only is supplying stuff, but really it is Jesus Christ fighting this war, strengthening Ukraine out of nowhere, and causing Russia to be torn apart and stumble over and over again because of their own lies. In many ways a central theme of this war is how much Russia entire principality and system is given over to Satan and the power of the lie. Praise Jesus Christ the True God for fighting against Wicked Russia, praise Jesus Christ for defending the truth, praise Jesus Christ for strengthening the brave. And even praise Jesus for the Holy Russia revolution erupting all over Russia, perhaps this was necessary for many of the good Russians to break Putin's satanic spell and rise up and re-sanctify themselves into God after the long Unholy Soviet-Putin Era. PRAISE JESUS!

On the one hand Russia is militarily weak, morally pathetic, suffering from a mortally wounded failing economy, is handicapped with incompetent leaders.....

And the same time is the world's greatest adversary to "freedom" and an extremely dangerous imminent threat to Eastern Europe and the might of NATO the world has ever known.

As you can see such conflicting yet bodacious claims by the West are patently absurd.....to anyone with an IQ higher than room temperature.
 
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On the one hand Russia is militarily weak, morally pathetic, suffering from a mortally wounded failing economy, is handicapped with incompetent leaders.....

And the same time is the world's greatest adversary to "freedom" and an extremely dangerous imminent threat to Eastern Europe and the might of NATO the world has ever known.

As you can see such conflicting yet bodacious claims by the West are patently absurd.....to anyone with an IQ higher than room temperature.
Have you considered that like their master the Devil, that Russia's belligerence and stupidity and wickedness is precisely what makes them so dangerous? Thank God that there is a Jesus though who will fight against the Devil's servants and destroy them from off the face of the Earth and cause them and their entire wicked spirit of Unholy Russia to dissipate forever.



God uses and works through human effort. We are expected to plant, water, etc. We are co-laborers. But, I do agree that ultimately if God is not in it, you will not win. And, vice versa.
PRAISE JESUS he shall be victorious over Satan and Wicked Russia! PRAISE JESUS!
 
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on top of the dam they blew up, story came out today the c i a here in america warned the white house that ukriane was planning on blowing up the nord stream pipeline.

they apparently rented a yacht in germany with fake passports and sailed out to the site..

so, both sides are running false flags against each other,

with ukraine running more than russia.
This is all just talk and speculation and conspiracy theories. Unholy Russia likely blew up the Nord Stream themselves, they're the ones with the most motives and ability to blow it up. Remember last Summer Wicked Russia was comforting themselves with dreams of making Europa freeze to death in Winter (which plan Lord Jesus thwarted PRAISE JESUS). It is highly probable that Evil Rusia just merely cut the pipeline themselves to spite Europa.