Go ye into all the world and announce the MILLENNIUM to every creature

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

“Jesus on his coming on the end times will reign for 1000 years ( heaven )”

“For David speaketh concerning him,

I foresaw the Lord always before my face, For he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

he seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:25, 30-33, 36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he’s already reigning in heaven isn’t he ?

think of revelation in this light considering a thousand years being literal

“But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:8-9‬ ‭

she isn’t being slow in keeping his promise to return but he’s being patient giving people time to come around to repentance before thier judgement

In revelation most understand this concept of imagery and symbolic prophetic communication like for instance “ the lamb “ who’s pictured in the book is Jesus and we all know because he was slain and shed his blood ect we know the lamb is a symbol and image of Jesus to communicate a deeper message about him and from him


“And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, ( jacobs blessing on the lion of Judahs tribe the lawgiver and ruler to come )the Root of David, ( Nathan’s promise to David )hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. ( it’s a concept being communicated about Jesus and how he sent the holy spirit from heaven at pentocost after his death and resurrection )


And they sung a new song, ( testsment ) saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; and hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. ( what e gospel teaches us )

And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.”( a closer look at what Daniel saw in Daniel 7 hearing what the number of angels he saw were saying around the son of man receiving his eternal kingdom and throne )
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭5:4-6, 9-12‬

My point in blathering on like this is that the numbers in revelation all the sevens , the 144000 the 1000 years the times time and a half , the number of months , the three and a half years ect

those are all just like the images we see they are not literal they are communicating message to us based on what Gods said beforehand in scripture

People usually see the images as symbolic and then make the numbers literal but I don’t understand why God doesn’t see time as we do he could wait ten thousand years until he returns or tomorrow he’s being patient waiting for as many as who will , to hear the gospel and repent and believe and be saved

revelation is probably the most interpreted book whether one does it good or not people interpret it to no end but I see it as a way to interpret the message of Jesus Christ in the gospel and ot prophets

all this of course is just another persons view lol and I’m not claiming this is anything but my own position and thoughts could be wrong about every detail haha two cents worth though

I was reading revelations this morning and was looking at different commentaries from about 10 different authors on a software i have, e-swordX, well almost none of them agreed on anything, they had varied interpretations of the the same verse meaning different things, the book of revelations is still not an easy read to me in parts, but i am researching some difficult passages.

About the numbers some might be quite literal , 12 apostles, 12 gates, 12 tribes, 24 elders,

you mentionned; he’s already reigning in heaven isn’t he ? Yes I agree, and already for a very long time before the unoverse existed ( no matter no time ) I should have written in parentheses ( heaven on earth )

Thank you for your input much appreciated.

BLessings,

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I was reading revelations this morning and was looking at different commentaries from about 10 different authors on a software i have, e-swordX, well almost none of them agreed on anything, they had varied interpretations of the the same verse meaning different things, the book of revelations is still not an easy read to me in parts, but i am researching some difficult passages.

About the numbers some might be quite literal , 12 apostles, 12 gates, 12 tribes, 24 elders,

you mentionned; he’s already reigning in heaven isn’t he ? Yes I agree, and already for a very long time before the unoverse existed ( no matter no time ) I should have written in parentheses ( heaven on earth )

Thank you for your input much appreciated.

BLessings,

ayes amen I hadn’t thought of this part good point and I agree

“About the numbers some might be quite literal , 12 apostles, 12 gates, 12 tribes, 24 elders,”

Can I ask you a question while on the general subject ?

What are your thoughts on this

“Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:50-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and then

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭

“And she brought forth a man child,( son of man ) who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: ( psalm 2) and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. ( Jesus ascention after the gospel was complete now what if we’re seeing what happened after Jesus ascended in heaven ? )

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. ( people who had already lived and died on earth )

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.


Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, ……And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:5, 7-12, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

What I’m wondering about from you you seem to have a good grasp of alot I’m curious about currently ,

I’m wondering your thoughts on heaven and earth being concurrent where in heaven right now since the king has arrived on his throne and there are people there who had lived and died and were redeemed by his blood celebrating his kingdom and power in heaven ect

abut also the earth is warned that Satan is now present trying to destroy them at the same time ? So some of it seems to be about what’s going on in heaven and the. Also the result of the war on heaven spills over into earth and we have this situation

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Or this

“Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world,

against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Revelation really seems to be a layered book for sure but it invites a lot of thought and consideration and holds that special blessing also for those who read it and retain it

 

[oyster67]

as you know I see it a little differently, amen x 100 to the marriage feast [you'll need your best bib and tucker for that Oy ... your robe of righteousness will do nicely]

Yes.

they [Jews} are being [and will yet be gathered] home to Israel. In preparation for when they are as a nation converted. They are not raptured.

Agree.

The rapture of the church was to take us away from God's wrath ... right? but the Jews then will not be in the nations anymore,

Yes.

They are gathered to Israel, we are gathered to heaven which is our home.

But Heaven and earth will be UNITED during the 1, 000 years heaven will be on earth, starting at Jerusalem so if we are in heaven or whether we are on earth who cares?

So you and I agree about how things will be set up by the time Millennium is in full swing. Just a small difference on the timing of the Rapture and Wedding.

We shall soon see!

Peace bro.

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

ayes amen I hadn’t thought of this part good point and I agree

“About the numbers some might be quite literal , 12 apostles, 12 gates, 12 tribes, 24 elders,”

Can I ask you a question while on the general subject ?

What are your thoughts on this

“Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:50-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and then

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭

“And she brought forth a man child,( son of man ) who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: ( psalm 2) and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. ( Jesus ascention after the gospel was complete now what if we’re seeing what happened after Jesus ascended in heaven ? )

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. ( people who had already lived and died on earth )

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.


Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, ……And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:5, 7-12, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

What I’m wondering about from you you seem to have a good grasp of alot I’m curious about currently ,

I’m wondering your thoughts on heaven and earth being concurrent where in heaven right now since the king has arrived on his throne and there are people there who had lived and died and were redeemed by his blood celebrating his kingdom and power in heaven ect

abut also the earth is warned that Satan is now present trying to destroy them at the same time ? So some of it seems to be about what’s going on in heaven and the. Also the result of the war on heaven spills over into earth and we have this situation

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Or this

“Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world,

against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Revelation really seems to be a layered book for sure but it invites a lot of thought and consideration and holds that special blessing also for those who read it and retain it

I also think the same thing, layers but also revelation of some lnowledge to be unlocked in the proper end time period, I think we are getting there....

ll check the passages you mentioned and will get back to you this weekend, I am in the middle of a new recipe from a Paul Bocuse cookbook ""cuisine du marche" I brought over from Lyon france the french capital of gastronomy... It should be good if I do it right.

Blessings ill write to you soon.

 

[p_rehbein]

and where does it say THAT? "that will be it"

Jesus said the good news of the kingdom will be preached in every nation for a witness then the end will come. We are not sent to establish the kingdom but to bear witness to it ... crucially to it' s King.

... the end will come

That is the end of this present age, it's not the end of the world.

You say we are sent to bear witness to the kingdom then deny that there will be a kingdom. Why would we be sent to bear witness to a kingdom if there is no kingdom to come?

Oh you mean Heaven, well Jesus has taught us to pray Our Father Thy kingdom come Thy will be done ON EARTH as it is in heaven......

Will we reign with Christ in the ages to come? will we reign over heaven or over the earth?

Oh, now I see.........your the New Earth kinda guy.....nevermind.........


As for where it says "that will be it," read 1 Corinthians, Chapter 15...... start about verse 51

 

[Evmur]

Oh, now I see.........your the New Earth kinda guy.....nevermind.........


As for where it says "that will be it," read 1 Corinthians, Chapter 15...... start about verse 51

I did not think anybody argued that there will God will create a new heavens and a new earth. However that is not my subject here. The 1, 000 year reign comes before the last judgement and the new heavens and the new earth

"that will be it" let's look more closely at 1 Cor. 15. 22. it's tricky.
For as in Adam all die so also in Christ shall all be made alive 23. But each in his own order
Christ the firstfruits
THEN
24. at His coming those who belong to Him
THEN
comes the end when He shall deliver the kingdom [YOU say there will be no kingdom] to God the Father .

You noticed that between our Lord's resurrection and our resurrection is a significant gap [2, 000 years and counting] this Paul denotes with a "THEN"
But there is a second "THEN" between our resurrection and the "comes the end"

Why is there this second THEN denoting another gap of years?

24 goes on to explain AFTER destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25. FOR HE MUST REIGN until He has put all His enemies under His feet.

So the resurrection is
1st Our Lord
2nd Us [after 2000 years]
3 everybody else [after the 1000 year reign]

This all corresponds perfectly with Revs 20.

 

[Evmur]

And how did Christ respond? He basically dismissed that idea and told His apostles to focus on the Gospel. And how did Peter present the Gospel? He said "Repent and be converted that your sins may be blotted out".

To speak about the Millennium to unsaved people is to present a fantasy -- in their opinion. This is a spiritual truth to be understood through the indwelling Holy Spirit. It is not for the "natural man". Unless a man is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God. That is what Christ said. Also before the Millennium is established the wrath of God will be poured out upon the earth. So the warning to all must be "Flee from the wrath to come". The Millennium is only for those who have been saved by grace.

Let's unpack this a little. You are a valued member of the forum by the way ... we just have a few differences

It is true that when they asked Him about the restoration I don't think He dismissed the idea entirely but certainly He told them that the setting up of Israel as the Kingdom was not their job, their job was to witness of Christ. Setting up the kingdom was the Father's business in His time.

Peter preaching ... " repent therefore and turn again that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord and that He may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive UNTIL the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from of old .... "

What God spoke about by the mouth of His holy prophets was a world of righteousness, peace, justice and abundant prosperity for everyone. viz a viz Micah ch. 4. when the people will flock to Jerusalem to the mountain of the Lord to learn the ways of the God of Jacob and walk in His paths.

Yes the Millennium is the time for destroying God's enemies [putting all things under His feet] but it is also the time for the great mass of people ["the rest of mankind"] to come in through the Jews.

The Millennium is a GLORIOUS time when the "glory of the knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth as the waters cover the sea."

 

[Evmur]

Odd, when Jesus was comforting his disciples about his pending crucifixion, this is what he told them... he said nothing about a kingdom on earth, where he would reign as king for a thousand years.... he told them he was going back to the Father to prepare places for all his followers, so that when he comes back, he can take them all with him to be in the presence of God....
The disciples wanted and expected an earthly kingdom.... don't you think he would have told them about it, if that was truly what was going to occur?

14 “Do not let your heart be troubled; [a]believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3 If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. 4 And you know the way where I am going.” 5 Thomas *said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?” 6 Jesus *said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

Yes we are the heavenly crowd. the church, Jew/Gentile we are caught up to meet the Lord in the air.

But the Jews will also be gathered. In fact they are already being gathered and they will be gathered more, not to meet the Lord in the air but to their own land. Jesus told the gathering in the gospels differently because the Jews will gathered "where Lord?" He said "where the carcass is there the eagles will gather"

Two will be ploughing and one will be taken and one left behind, two women will be working in the mill and one will be taken and one left behind.

Why is the church raptured? because God will pour His wrath upon the nations and the church is in the nations. But God is not going to pour His wrath upon Israel, He is going to pour His wrath upon the armies that have come up with Antichrist against Israel.

The Jews will be gathered to Israel in readiness to reign with Christ when they are converted. We reign from Heaven with Him, they reign on earth with Him. But heaven will be on earth in that day. We will be united in Christ.

 

[p_rehbein]

comes the end when He shall deliver the kingdom [YOU say there will be no kingdom] to God the Father .

I did not say there would be no kingdom.......

I did not think anybody argued that there will God will create a new heavens and a new earth.

God will create new heavens and earth...question is: what will this "new earth" look like? Not like this one, because this "earth" is a "fallen creation", an imperfect world that is dying.


You need to read more than verse 24. Verse 27 tells you "FOR HE HATH put all things under his feet..."

We are NOW living in the tribulations............Christ has ALREADY defeated death (which was the last enemy) and the grave.......Christ sits now on His throne victorious over ALL! All that remains is His second coming when He shall gather His church to Him......

1. O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good: because his mercy endureth for ever.
2. Let Israel now say, that his mercy endureth for ever.
3. Let the house of Aaron now say, that his mercy endureth for ever.
4. Let them now that fear the Lord say, that his mercy endureth for ever.

I do not think you are reading 23 and 24 correctly. They are one statement that is in agreement with the Rapture. 24 is speaking of when the Eastern Sky splits and the last trump sounds and Jesus descends....

IMHO: THAT IS IT! NOTHING MORE TO BE DONE! Only the Judgement remains

anyhoo.............each believer as he believes..........

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

ayes amen I hadn’t thought of this part good point and I agree

“About the numbers some might be quite literal , 12 apostles, 12 gates, 12 tribes, 24 elders,”

Can I ask you a question while on the general subject ?

What are your thoughts on this

What are your thoughts on this

“Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:50-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬

These occurred for the people who witnessed the post events of Christ's sacrificial death ( the lamb of GOD ) so they had then no doubt that he was the son of GOD! All the sanhedrin and pharisees and romans knew then they had put to death the son of God and the sahnedrin and pharisees and all who falsely accused jesus also knew then they would take part of the second death, thus had failed to be faithful to the word of GOD, they failed the test. This is what happens when people put the words of men before the words of GOD!

and then

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭

“And she brought forth a man child,( son of man ) who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: ( psalm 2) and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. ( Jesus ascention after the gospel was complete now what if we’re seeing what happened after Jesus ascended in heaven ? )

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.


And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. ( people who had already lived and died on earth )

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.


Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, ……And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:5, 7-12, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

yes, the book of JOB refers to satan acusing Job of in the presence of the the LORD;
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

satan could then go to the Lord but after a time he was not able to anymore, logically it could have been when Christ was resurrected and ascended but when exactly is not mentioned, however it is mentioned in revelation about the church of pergamum, Rev 2:13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.


What I’m wondering about from you you seem to have a good grasp of alot I’m curious about currently ,

I do not think my knowledge of scripture is better then yours! but it is refreshing to be able to exchange our thoughts on scripture.

I’m wondering your thoughts on heaven and earth being concurrent where in heaven right now since the king has arrived on his throne and there are people there who had lived and died and were redeemed by his blood celebrating his kingdom and power in heaven ect

abut also the earth is warned that Satan is now present trying to destroy them at the same time ? So some of it seems to be about what’s going on in heaven and the. Also the result of the war on heaven spills over into earth and we have this situation.



“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Or this

“Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world,

against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Revelation really seems to be a layered book for sure but it invites a lot of thought and consideration and holds that special blessing also for those who read it and retain it


Yes I believe satan is on earth, and is responsible to stir trouble, He is furious at humankind and accuses us constantly. it is quite revealing of what man can become. ( john 17) . However I think what satan can do or not is of the recourse of the LORD what he is allowed to do is limited at this time . Many people believe heaven is here now, I do not, there is no evidence of that on the contrary. Why is suffering this permitted? we are being tested, all of us, we need to be faithful and be wary of deception. False preachers are everywhere they are seducing a lot of people at this time, I always refer to the words of Jesus the son of GOD for truth in doubt. There are a lot of false doctrine going around we have to keep faithful to the word. Jesus said; Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. Read john 10 for full context.

When Jesus was born, then, heaven was on earth for the duration of his presence; heaven will be on earth again for a time when he returns. I see heaven as being separate from earth now, I believe in the new earth and new Jerusalem many here do not. But, if you look at the size of the New Jerusalem that is being prepared, where would if fit on this earth? do the math measure the size of the new Jerusalem! you will see! I believe in the Glory of the Lord for which all good things are possible and come forth!

I hope it answers your questions, being francophone sometimes i get the meanings wrong, forgive me if i did.

BLessings

 

[Evmur]

I did not say there would be no kingdom.......


God will create new heavens and earth...question is: what will this "new earth" look like? Not like this one, because this "earth" is a "fallen creation", an imperfect world that is dying.


You need to read more than verse 24. Verse 27 tells you "FOR HE HATH put all things under his feet..."

We are NOW living in the tribulations............Christ has ALREADY defeated death (which was the last enemy) and the grave.......Christ sits now on His throne victorious over ALL! All that remains is His second coming when He shall gather His church to Him......

1. O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good: because his mercy endureth for ever.
2. Let Israel now say, that his mercy endureth for ever.
3. Let the house of Aaron now say, that his mercy endureth for ever.
4. Let them now that fear the Lord say, that his mercy endureth for ever.

I do not think you are reading 23 and 24 correctly. They are one statement that is in agreement with the Rapture. 24 is speaking of when the Eastern Sky splits and the last trump sounds and Jesus descends....

IMHO: THAT IS IT! NOTHING MORE TO BE DONE! Only the Judgement remains

anyhoo.............each believer as he believes..........

I can't help you if you read the bible like that ... you are in cloud cuckoo land if you think all things are now under His feet.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What are your thoughts on this

“Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:50-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬

These occurred for the people who witnessed the post events of Christ's sacrificial death ( the lamb of GOD ) so they had then no doubt that he was the son of GOD! All the sanhedrin and pharisees and romans knew then they had put to death the son of God and the sahnedrin and pharisees and all who falsely accused jesus also knew then they would take part of the second death, thus had failed to be faithful to the word of GOD, they failed the test. This is what happens when people put the words of men before the words of GOD!

and then

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭

“And she brought forth a man child,( son of man ) who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: ( psalm 2) and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. ( Jesus ascention after the gospel was complete now what if we’re seeing what happened after Jesus ascended in heaven ? )

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.


And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. ( people who had already lived and died on earth )

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.


Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, ……And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:5, 7-12, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

yes, the book of JOB refers to satan acusing Job of in the presence of the the LORD;
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

satan could then go to the Lord but after a time he was not able to anymore, logically it could have been when Christ was resurrected and ascended but when exactly is not mentioned, however it is mentioned in revelation about the church of pergamum, Rev 2:13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.


What I’m wondering about from you you seem to have a good grasp of alot I’m curious about currently ,

I do not think my knowledge of scripture is better then yours! but it is refreshing to be able to exchange our thoughts on scripture.

I’m wondering your thoughts on heaven and earth being concurrent where in heaven right now since the king has arrived on his throne and there are people there who had lived and died and were redeemed by his blood celebrating his kingdom and power in heaven ect

abut also the earth is warned that Satan is now present trying to destroy them at the same time ? So some of it seems to be about what’s going on in heaven and the. Also the result of the war on heaven spills over into earth and we have this situation.



“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Or this

“Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world,

against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Revelation really seems to be a layered book for sure but it invites a lot of thought and consideration and holds that special blessing also for those who read it and retain it


Yes I believe satan is on earth, and is responsible to stir trouble, He is furious at humankind and accuses us constantly. it is quite revealing of what man can become. ( john 17) . However I think what satan can do or not is of the recourse of the LORD what he is allowed to do is limited at this time . Many people believe heaven is here now, I do not, there is no evidence of that on the contrary. Why is suffering this permitted? we are being tested, all of us, we need to be faithful and be wary of deception. False preachers are everywhere they are seducing a lot of people at this time, I always refer to the words of Jesus the son of GOD for truth in doubt. There are a lot of false doctrine going around we have to keep faithful to the word. Jesus said; Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. Read john 10 for full context.

When Jesus was born, then, heaven was on earth for the duration of his presence; heaven will be on earth again for a time when he returns. I see heaven as being separate from earth now, I believe in the new earth and new Jerusalem many here do not. But, if you look at the size of the New Jerusalem that is being prepared, where would if fit on this earth? do the math measure the size of the new Jerusalem! you will see! I believe in the Glory of the Lord for which all good things are possible and come forth!

I hope it answers your questions, being francophone sometimes i get the meanings wrong, forgive me if i did.

BLessings

exactly what I was hoping for just to hear you talk about those things I love when people speak freely

i might be able to remember scripture well but it’s because there’s so much stuck in me from the years it’s always refreshing and always helpful though for me , if other people talk about the scriptures as well and same concepts as well

I can remember scripture but others help me understand it better all the time by just talking about it like you did there me really perfect stuff for me to consider and look into

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

It cannot be, but, who can prove this already took place [67 AD?]?

And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image, nor had they received his mark on their forehead or on their hand. And they came to life and reigned with the Messiah for a thousand years.

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

exactly what I was hoping for just to hear you talk about those things I love when people speak freely

i might be able to remember scripture well but it’s because there’s so much stuck in me from the years it’s always refreshing and always helpful though for me , if other people talk about the scriptures as well and same concepts as well

I can remember scripture but others help me understand it better all the time by just talking about it like you did there me really perfect stuff for me to consider and look into

Yes indeed free speech is the way! i understand what you say, i left religion for many years because of false doctrine and it left me bitter, they still cling to my mind but I am getting better at sorting thing out now Jesus words are the way to eternal life.

BLessings

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes indeed free speech is the way! i understand what you say, i left religion for many years because of false doctrine and it left me bitter, they still cling to my mind but I am getting better at sorting thing out now Jesus words are the way to eternal life.

BLessings

Amen once we grasp that part it’s sealed and will be delivered because that’s the key to faith jesus spoke it here

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

And God saw the light, that it was good:

and God divided the light from the darkness.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1, 3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Its that same word of power in the beginning

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1, 3-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

.‭‭John‬ ‭1:9-10, 12-14, 16‭KJV‬‬


“Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:12‬ ‭

“While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:36‬ ‭

The apostle Paul

“For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth) proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:8-11, 13-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The light is here but many won’t approach him Because they fear his words will expose thier dark deeds

“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness,

hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:6-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Truly even Moses understood Christs word was the one to believe

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

Amen once we grasp that part it’s sealed and will be delivered because that’s the key to faith jesus spoke it here

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

And God saw the light, that it was good:

and God divided the light from the darkness.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1, 3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Its that same word of power in the beginning

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1, 3-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

.‭‭John‬ ‭1:9-10, 12-14, 16‭KJV‬‬


“Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:12‬ ‭

“While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:36‬ ‭

The apostle Paul

“For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth) proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:8-11, 13-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The light is here but many won’t approach him Because they fear his words will expose thier dark deeds

“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness,

hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:6-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Truly even Moses understood Christs word was the one to believe

Amen, The truth spoken! I think the same as you and agree completely, I only whish more people understood this.

The lord has blessed you, the light is in you, you see clearly. Amen!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Amen, The truth spoken! I think the same as you and agree completely, I only whish more people understood this.

The lord has blessed you, the light is in you, you see clearly. Amen!

“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; that which we have seen and heard declare we unto you,

that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:1-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus is the light and everyone who believes in him is filled with light as we learn to hear the truth Of his words the light becomes effective to show us our sins and teach us about righteousness and a new heavenly identity that will live with him forever

Light is something we all share in relativity

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

Why is nobody preaching it? why is it treated as a mere peripheral teaching in the church. It is the very heart and core of what Jesus told us to preach.

We preach Heaven and that's good but nobody really understands what Heaven will be. Heaven ON EARTH ah! that's different, that's something folks can understand. A Kingdom of justice, peace, no more wars, and plenty prosperity for everybody.

And Jesus is the King.

Dear Evmur I have posted a link about the kingdom of heaven on another thread that I thought you might like, It is well written and has a lot of info.

LINK; https://tms.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/tmsj23j.pdf


Be Blessed!

 

[Evmur]

Dear Evmur I have posted a link about the kingdom of heaven on another thread that I thought you might like, It is well written and has a lot of info.

LINK; https://tms.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/tmsj23j.pdf


Be Blessed!

Thank you very much.