Noah’s ark and faith

[John146]

"Was Noah made part of the body of Christ?"

I don't think you understand that God has always save people by grace and faith like he did Noah and for some reason your now asking if Noah ,who was the one who received the new covenant before Abraham was ever born . Abraham who received the promise of the gospel to redeemman after the law which came four hundred ears after abrgam ?



Youve missed the purpose of looking at Noah as an example of grace an faith entirely

I don't think you understand phrases like " body of christ " when you ask rhetorical questions like this it doesn't make sense and isnt something anyone said almost like a hypergrce rant be cause someone said we need to stop serving sin and believe what our lord and savior said and obey the lord and what he said will save our souls and give usa Lasting life after death? Yeah thats cooky believe what God said will save your souls ....I donthink you have real Intent here brother just bickering about a Joseph prince teaching

Let me try another way…

What is exactly the gospel of the kingdom? Is it the preaching of Jesus Christ and him crucified?

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

What is said to happen when this gospel of the kingdom is preached in all the world?

 

[ResidentAlien]

Can I contact Administration?
I'ts important.
Thank.

Contact Oncefallen: https://christianchat.com/members/oncefallen.74764/

 

[BearerOfTheMorningStar]

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.”

‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-8‬ ‭

There’s no question Noah is saved by Gods grace from a coming end to all mankind but that’s not the full story it’s just a fact God

So Noah is saved by grace truly and without controversy but it is through the process of faith this part is essential to Noah’s salvation by grace but through faith


“ By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, ( he told him bout the flood coming and bout the ark)

moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house;

by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:6-7‬ ‭

the ark was built by faith not Noah’s design or works but he believed what God said was true and did it knowing it would save his family and self . this is James point ( faith without works is dead being alone ) of Noah said “ I believe you God but I don’t really need to be worried bout the flood or build the ark you said to build I’m already saved then would Noah have had the same result claiming he had faith but refusing to believe what God said would save his family ?

So then this being true

“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭

Noah was saved because Gods grace towards him first

“the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.”

And then Through faith when he hears what God said was coming and how to be saved

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And God said unto Noah, ( after he found grace ) The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. Make thee an ark of gopher wood ( he tells Noah the worlds ending in a flood and how to build the ark )

And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die. But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.

(more instructions for what to do )

Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:13-14, 17-18, 22‬ ‭KJV

Noah was saved because God was gracious to him and told him how to be saved and save his family and enter into a new covenant where he inherited the earth with his children see genesis chapter nine for the day it was made with them just like before with Adam and Eve

So by or because of Gods grace , Noah was given faith when God told him about the flood and how to build the ark and be saved

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

not of works, lest any man should boast.

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Noah was given Gods grace and saved because of that , he had no place to boast that he saved himself he could just say I believed in God and was saved he spared me by his grace in telling me about the coming flood and teaching me how to build the ark and be saved and promising me a new covenant and great inheritance

The gospel is God giving us grace and telling us the truth about the end of all things and how to be saved from that end and blessed with an inheritance in his eternal Kingdom

“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭

“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If you made it this far I hope you found something to consider God bless

This is incredibly well written and right on the nose. Praise the God who had grace on Noah, Noah was a faithful man who listened to God proven in his work of the Ark, God saved Noah by grace and inspired his works, as a result of God's grace and one man's faith in performing the deeds commanded by God we're all here today whereas everyone else died in the Flood to sanctify his holy name, praise Jesus.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

This is incredibly well written and right on the nose. Praise the God who had grace on Noah, Noah was a faithful man who listened to God proven in his work of the Ark, God saved Noah by grace and inspired his works, as a result of God's grace and one man's faith in performing the deeds commanded by God we're all here today whereas everyone else died in the Flood to sanctify his holy name, praise Jesus.

“Now the LORD had said unto Abram,

( instruction not yet proven ) Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

( promise of a blessing in result ) and I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭12:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“By faith Abraham,

when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:8‬ ‭

noahs descendant Abraham is the same the gospel was preached to him also

abeahan has done nothing to team this God is telling his something that if Abraham believes it he’s defiantly going to obey because of the result promised

if God said to a person who believed “ there’s 1 million dollars in your trunk open it and it’s yours “

a there’s no one that hears his word and believed him who would just say “ I believe “ they would act in belief and open the trunk to collect thoer goft

Its still a gift of grace because they had to do something to get it it’s a first of grace received through faith it’s how God has dealt with men since Adam ( negating the time of Moses and the angels mediation )

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I’ve considered that Jesus is our Ark.

We are saved by Him, and He alone keeps us saved.

I’ve considered that Jesus is our Ark.

a that’s a good way to look at it but does he make you get in or tell you to and expect you to hear his word like he has every person ?

“We are saved by Him, and He alone keeps us saved”

yeah he’s telling us how to be safe like this and expecting we’ll believe him

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬



As far as who’s saved that’s not my place to say Jesus earned that

“But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.

Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭4:3-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m going to wait for e judge and believe what Jesus said that if I follow after him I’ll be saved that’s how Jesus saves people he tells us the truth and says believe and be saved he also says “ if you reject my word your going to be judged by it “

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Let me try another way…

What is exactly the gospel of the kingdom? Is it the preaching of Jesus Christ and him crucified?

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

What is said to happen when this gospel of the kingdom is preached in all the world?

“What is exactly the gospel of the kingdom?”

brother listen to what I’m saying if your trying to understand my position ,I’ll try to say just what I’m saying regarding Jesus death virtual and resurrection

every person has to believe that Jesus died for thier sins and the sins of every person , and that he rose from death three days later thats an essential belief for New Testament salvation We agree on this

the difference in our views overall is this

You’re using this concept which Jesus taught in the gospel and trying to make that part erase this part of the gospel by claiming the fospem is only Jesus does and rose and not what Jesus taught it is also the gospel Paul isn’t saying “ every thing else is fallacy and not the gospel he just says you have to first believe Jesus died and rose that’s the gospel ot doesn’t explain anything though what Jesus taught in the gospel does



the gospel is God was born among us in the flesh , told us we are his children he loves us and he taught us how to live a good upright life In His eyes and healed many and saved our souls he raised the dead and touched the lepers and he loved the sinners and ate and talked with them

He stood in Jerusalem and cried aloud a lament because they didn’t recognize him and wouldn’t hear him all along “jesrualem o jarusalem ……

The gospel is the true witness you find in Matthew mark Luke and John of Jesus birth life ministry teachings miracles examples judgements warnings prophecies for the future the blessings for believers the promises of everlasting life he promised those that believed him


What jesus said is also the gospel is my point what he said about salvstion it’s all never going to change the Jews then we’re saved by grace just like we are there’s no difference we have to accept zgods word of salvstion ( the gospel ) and if we do we will learn this part paul elaborates upon

“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

rhis that Paul elaborates on

“For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭9:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Then we see it fulfilled in the gospel Paul is literally saying you have to believe what’s written in Matthew mark Luke and John that’s the gospel is my point he’s literally talking about what a person learns in the four gospel accounts saying “ I preached that to you fist “

The Bible’s only record of the events oaulmos talking about is in Matthew mark Luke and John his death and resurrection is certainly the gospel where we don’t agree is you make different gospels I’m saying ther is just the one and only gospel Jesus preached it from here forward by the Holy Ghost

“And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: and there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:10-11, 14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m saying there’s just the gospel whether you say gospel of the kingdom , gospel of grace , gospel of God ,glorious gospel of Jesus Christ , gospel ofnthe grace of Jesus Christ

paul Is always referring the the same gospel Jesus preached the one that saves believers it’s going to be the same until the world ends

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul is a witness and servant of that commission

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the gospel doesn’t only say “ Jesus died and rose “ it’s essential belief but it says believe my word and you’ll have everlasting life “ also

 

[John146]

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Has the end come? Has the gospel of the kingdom been preached in all the world? The good news message that Jesus preached to the Jews is not the same gospel Paul preached in all the world. If so, the end would have come. The gospel of the kingdom is concerning the restoration of Israel's kingdom on earth.

Paul's gospel of grace has been preached in all the world.
Colossians 1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

Paul's gospel has been preached to every creature under heaven.
Colossians 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Paul's gospel has been made known to all nations.
Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

 

[lawrence101]

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.”

‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-8‬ ‭

There’s no question Noah is saved by Gods grace from a coming end to all mankind but that’s not the full story it’s just a fact God

So Noah is saved by grace truly and without controversy but it is through the process of faith this part is essential to Noah’s salvation by grace but through faith


“ By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, ( he told him bout the flood coming and bout the ark)

moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house;

by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:6-7‬ ‭

the ark was built by faith not Noah’s design or works but he believed what God said was true and did it knowing it would save his family and self . this is James point ( faith without works is dead being alone ) of Noah said “ I believe you God but I don’t really need to be worried bout the flood or build the ark you said to build I’m already saved then would Noah have had the same result claiming he had faith but refusing to believe what God said would save his family ?

So then this being true

“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭

Noah was saved because Gods grace towards him first

“the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.”

And then Through faith when he hears what God said was coming and how to be saved

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And God said unto Noah, ( after he found grace ) The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. Make thee an ark of gopher wood ( he tells Noah the worlds ending in a flood and how to build the ark )

And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die. But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.

(more instructions for what to do )

Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:13-14, 17-18, 22‬ ‭KJV

Noah was saved because God was gracious to him and told him how to be saved and save his family and enter into a new covenant where he inherited the earth with his children see genesis chapter nine for the day it was made with them just like before with Adam and Eve

So by or because of Gods grace , Noah was given faith when God told him about the flood and how to build the ark and be saved

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

not of works, lest any man should boast.

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Noah was given Gods grace and saved because of that , he had no place to boast that he saved himself he could just say I believed in God and was saved he spared me by his grace in telling me about the coming flood and teaching me how to build the ark and be saved and promising me a new covenant and great inheritance

The gospel is God giving us grace and telling us the truth about the end of all things and how to be saved from that end and blessed with an inheritance in his eternal Kingdom

“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:9‬ ‭

“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If you made it this far I hope you found something to consider God bless

One Question; Did God speak to Noah audibly in the physical world or was it in a dream ? We know God spoke to Moses from a burning bush but Noah ?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Has the end come? Has the gospel of the kingdom been preached in all the world? The good news message that Jesus preached to the Jews is not the same gospel Paul preached in all the world. If so, the end would have come. The gospel of the kingdom is concerning the restoration of Israel's kingdom on earth.

Paul's gospel of grace has been preached in all the world.
Colossians 1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

Paul's gospel has been preached to every creature under heaven.
Colossians 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Paul's gospel has been made known to all nations.
Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

it’s a waste of time for myself anyways , to try to reason with people who create secondary gospels by distorting pauls words while rejecting the things he said that explain it all I can’t do it today

As plainly as possible John and with respect you are deceived when you can’t agree with Jesus doctrine ( 2john 1:9-10 1 Timothy 6:3)

If you want to know the true gospel look here

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1, 14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the gospel must first be published among all nations.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭13:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16, 20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If you want to know “ Paul’s gospel “ that he preached until his execution

“
If you want to know “Paul’s gospel “ and his place look here

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”


“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord,


which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;( Jesus north into David’s line ) and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness,( receiving the spirit ) by the resurrection from the dead: ( resurrection from the dead that’s a summary of what marks gospel teaches someone too) by whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:1, 3-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to not understand that Paul is one of his apostles and witnesses of the one gospel and was preaching the only gospel even when it’s shown to you at the end of Paul’s life what he was preaching to any and everyone

And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s just no ground for me to keep going you have your own gospel you e created it’s not Paul’s your doctrine is from this group I just don’t have the patience now

“And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I can’t find a reason John this has been going on for two years almost the same circle coming from Paul Ellis website and Joseph prince books please understand I find it not fruitful to debate whether there’s a different “Gospel of Paul “ that replaced the one God gave to all creation

airs just not something I’m ever going to believe ot might as well
Be Darwin’s theory of evolution to me
The new age gospel of grace is not of God I’m sorry but it’s just not those books are deceptions when compared to Gods word

 

[Pilgrimshope]

One Question; Did God speak to Noah audibly in the physical world or was it in a dream ? We know God spoke to Moses from a burning bush but Noah ?

I can’t answer this question I’m sorry I just don’t know

 

[lawrence101]

I can’t answer this question I’m sorry I just don’t know

Sorry Pilgrimshope i didnt mean to quote you , it was meant as an open question , perhaps i should have made this as the theme to new topic .
What i was concerned about was , well if God spoke to Noah audibly in a thundering voice from heaven ( possibly followed by claps of laud thunder and flashes of lightening ) how is that faith ?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Sorry Pilgrimshope i didnt mean to quote you , it was meant as an open question , perhaps i should have made this as the theme to new topic .
What i was concerned about was , well if God spoke to Noah audibly in a thundering voice from heaven ( possibly followed by claps of laud thunder and flashes of lightening ) how is that faith ?

it’s fine freely speak in any thread I begin either way I was just saying I can’t intelligently answer it I hope someone else can answer it though .

I know that before the law came God dealt with man by faith and through a relationship under melchezideks priesthood like with Adam and Eve or Noah or Abraham

and he appeared not like he did on Sinai but like this

“And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; and he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him:

and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground….

And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the tent. And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son.

….. Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.

….. And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way. And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do; seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?


And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD. And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?

And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭18:1-2, 9-10, 14, 16-18, 22-23, 33‬ ‭KJV

See before Moses law there was a different relationship between God and man he doesn’t appear like what israel saw the fire and terrible th under and smoke and he didn’t hear a resounding tru pet like Moses and the people from Sinai that terrified Abraham he was talking with three men who spoke to him as one

He communed with Abraham personally abraham was before Moses who was the mediator for the people but abraham has God with him and personally guiding and blessing abraham under Gods true and original priesthood of melchezidek

“And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: and blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭14:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

My point is chrirtians see Jesus a gentle and humble man who came to speak with them and make promises of God to them who teaches us of the father son and Holy Ghost and says he is with us personally if we believe and out our faith in him like Abraham but not like this through sinais word and perception of God

“For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, and the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: (for they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: and so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:18-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thatsbwhat they saw and heard when he spoke from sinia but Christian’s have how Jesus appears tonus in the gospel inviting us near like Abraham , promising us blessing if we believe and follow his words of promise and faith he even calls us his friends like he did Abraham who put his faith in him too

I believe God appeared early as he did late but in between the law covered him and became a veil between man and god so we could t best and see him like at Sinai but the true Godnis the God of Abraham who comes as a man ( man is made in his image remember ? ) when he appears as Jesus and to Abraham he’s appearing as a man with two witnesses who go on to destroy soddom but just like in the cloud there’s Jesus and two others just like when he spoke to Abraham in the blessed plains of mamre

We resemble Gods image , so therefore he resembles ours like with Abraham men speak or Jesus a man speaks friend but also the lord almighty

we know this because of Jesus being made in our likeness to redeem us to his own image within whenever he appears terrifying and makes us afraid to come near him it’s because we aren’t seeing him as he is in Christ Jesus the revelation of God to mankind

 

[Pilgrimshope]

This is incredibly well written and right on the nose. Praise the God who had grace on Noah, Noah was a faithful man who listened to God proven in his work of the Ark, God saved Noah by grace and inspired his works, as a result of God's grace and one man's faith in performing the deeds commanded by God we're all here today whereas everyone else died in the Flood to sanctify his holy name, praise Jesus.

First God saw , with grace the man. The chosen one in all the land

Then he was told the lord's true word. And followed after what he heard

So Noah moved with faith in fear . Because he knew the flood was near

So christians find a lesson there , of righteousness become the hier

By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet,


moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house;


by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

Hebrews 11:7 KJV

 

[Nehemiah6]

What i was concerned about was , well if God spoke to Noah audibly in a thundering voice from heaven ( possibly followed by claps of laud thunder and flashes of lightening ) how is that faith ?

The Bible says no such thing as what you described. God (the pre-incarnate Christ) would have spoken to Noah as man to man.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

What you are saying is that Jesus went around preaching his death, burial, and resurrection before it happened? Can you post the verses?

What Paul preached was given to him through an abundance of revelations. What he preached had never been preached before.

Romans 16
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.

You make this too .hard brother this is your interpretation your word

,"What Paul preached was given to him through an abundance of revelations. What he preached had never been preached before."

his is Paul's testimony under oath at his first trial wen he appealed to ceasar on his way to imprisonment in Rome where he was later executed this is the holy bibles testimony written by Luke a companion of Paul who was with him in prison when he wrote his goodbye letter to Timothy this is Paul's word about what he taught in response to his vision of Christ

but shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judæa, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me. Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

that Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
Acts 26:20‭-‬23 KJV


This is what Jesus said before

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

And ye are witnesses of these things. And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
Luke 24:44‭-‬49 KJV


What they are talking about the prophets beforehand also preaching the same things about Jesus 700 years before christ

"Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Isaiah 53:1‭, ‬4‭-‬6‭, ‬10‭-‬11 KJV

That's what Paul and the apostles taught also that was fulfilled in the gospel Isiah believed it then beforehand and others of faith believed in the messiah then before but so now after we hear about it an believe like from Peter same message from a different point in time

For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
1 Peter 2:21‭-‬25 KJV

Peter is still preaching what Isaiah is just from a different time they before and we after it's been filled Jesus sacrifice was there always from the beginning it was always preached and will always be prepared Paul believedhe gospel and then was given the gift of revelation of the gospel within the church he had converted to after meeting and being chosen and appointed as an apostle of Jesus and the gospel

Is hard brother to discuss the bible with you

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The Bible says no such thing as what you described. God (the pre-incarnate Christ) would have spoken to Noah as man to man.

I think he was inquiring or opinions or if anyone knew any scripture asking for anyone's thoughts


But I agree with yours I believe he dealt with people then
like Jesus dealt with people in the gospel and even now by his spirit with us

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Enoch -- the seventh from Adam -- prefigured the Rapture of the Church. Yet he also prophesied about the Second Coming of Christ. That is truly amazing.

What you said really shows how Gods plan of redemption was established even from the seventh generation of man before the flood even Jesus return was being foretold then that were still waiting for today was being spoken by God through his prophets like Enoch and even before that abel the prophet and righteous man who was the one sacrificing lambs in the beginning an was martyred because of his obedience to God and his brothers jealousy and distain towards him for it


Your right hat is really amazing brother

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Contact Oncefallen: https://christianchat.com/members/oncefallen.74764/

Can I contact Administration?
I'ts important.
Thank.

Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
Matthew 18:15‭-‬17 KJV

 

[Pilgrimshope]

That is hardly possible. It is only because Noah believed God that he was deemed to be righteous. Believing God meant believing the necessity of (a) building the Ark (b) warning others about the wrath to come and (c) obeying God's instructions to a T.

Thus he is called " a preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5). But how did Peter learn about Noah's preaching when there is not a hint of it in Genesis? It comes back to divine inspiration, Just as Paul said this about Noah in Hebrews 11:7: By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. Once again we do not see anything in Genesis about the fearfulness of Noah, but God revealed it to Paul by divine inspiration.

What we generally miss is that God would have actually provided Noah with a "blueprint" for the design of the Ark, since Noah could not have possibly conjured up the design on his own. The Ark was in fact a ship of huge proportions (approx 500 ft long x 83 ft wide x 50 ft high) and, with three levels, and many rooms. It is God who would have calculated what it would take to accommodate Noah, his family, and all the living creatures selected by God.

Something like this had never been constructed on earth, since no one had ever seen a Flood such as that during Noah's life. It is also interesting to note that Methuselah (the oldest person in Bible history) died in the first month of the year in which the Flood came about.

Excellent post very accurate and thorough and edifying thanks for that.

In the new testament we have this same process I create he same faith and fear of God to make us so move in faith what if God is saying this to us like he did Noah


The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
2 Peter 3:9‭-‬13 KJV


Wh at if part of the message is there's a flood coming of dire and the end of all you know repent and get in the ark I built from here nails and two slabs of wood using my blood and sweat and tears for the pitch just get in the ark And be saved Im promising you an eternal home beyond death

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mark 16:15‭-‬16 KJV

That seems like the door to the ark that's going to save us from the fire thata coming this time but I don't know it seems like even Adam could have believed what God told him and lived or Cain could have believed what God told him and been accepted like abel Noah did it and they didn't do what he told them would keep safe and make acceptable faith is what man is created to walk by

 

[Inquisitor]

Noah was saved by grace.
No one knew about God's plan to destroy the earth with a flood. Because God intended to continue His plan of redemption, He sought out Noah to accomplish His intentions. He went to Noah and conveyed His plan. Noah believed God. The evidence that He believed is that he obeyed.
What we believe, we do. Regardless of what we say, unless we act upon it, we don't actually believe it. It's the same thing James is saying when he says faith without works is dead.
Salvation always begins with the grace of God. It always involves a word from God which produces hearing, and hearing leads to faith. Wonder where I've heard that before.

Romans 10?