Three Questions for Calvinists
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Look at the Rose's biggest enemy.
There's a reason it has thorns.
– Protection From Herbivores
Hence, to deter such animals from attacking the rose bushes, there are several thorns on the stems. Thorns are present to prevent such herbivores — animals that consume plants — from destroying the leaves that the plant expended so much energy producing.
Hence, to deter such animals from attacking the rose bushes, there are several thorns on the stems. Thorns are present to prevent such herbivores — animals that consume plants — from destroying the leaves that the plant expended so much energy producing.
Adam/Eve, in a sense, was in a debate that could be truthfully viewed as a kindergarten student debating a scholar.
But, they chose, to disobey, nonetheless.
Your post implies the rose was created with thorns
Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Satan lied to Eve in order to deceive her, which preceded Adam's sin.
Was Adam eating Roses before he sinned?
It says, Adam's food will come from the ground, but when he plants, it brings forth thistle.
So, is this saying, Adam, is planting Roses for food, but they sprout up with thistle?
I can see it your way or mine or possibly other ways here.
Good question!
Read the following Verse:
3 For up until the Torah, sin was in the world; but sin does not count as sin when there is no law.
So, we inherit a Sin, from Adam, that until the Creation of the Torah [God to Moses], it's a SIN, that did not count as a SIN, until there was a LAW.
It doesn't change anything, but, it does open the eyes.
I will answer your question, but, read the following Verse and thought I'd share.
Eve, comes from Adam, so Eve, in this sense is also Adam.
Sin came by Adam.
Adam/Eve was given a Command, and then was challenged if what God said was True. The Challenge, given by the Adversary, is a Sin, committed by the Adversary. Even at the Moment, Eve, Doubted God's Word was True, there has been No Sin committed by man. Even when Eve picked the fruit off the Tree Branch, No Sin has been committed yet. It was when Eve took a bite, Sin was Committed.
To Adam [God] said, “Because you did as your wife said and ate of the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You shall not eat of it,’
Adam and Eve clearly sinned. There was only 1 commandment and they broke it. God pronounced judgement and they were expelled from the garden. Since there was only a law against 1 sin and that could only be done in the garden, no one could commit that sin.
Also, murder has always been a sin. But no law had been given as to the repercussions of it. So while it was sinful, there was no way to hold people responsible.
And yet, even without any laws and no means to hold people accountable for their actions, people were still dying. Why? Because God had assigned Adam as a representative of mankind. Everyone is held accountable for the sin he committed as though they had themselves committed it.
Joshua 24:15
And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
Revelation 3:20
“Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.”
1 Timothy 2:4
Who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. ( He wouldn't desire it if it weren't possible)
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. ( Repent, turn from sin, choice)
Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live.
Galatians 5:1
For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
(Choice)
Isaiah 65:12
“I will destine you to the sword, and all of you shall bow down to the slaughter, because, when I called, you did not answer; when I spoke, you did not listen, but you did what was evil in my eyes and chose what I did not delight in.” (chose evil instead of good)
Mark 8:34
And calling the crowd to him with his disciples, he said to them, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.”(Deny and follow, choice)
Matthew 11:28
“Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.”
Proverbs 1:29
Because they hated knowledge and did not choose the fear of the Lord.
Revelation 22:17
The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price. (Come and take of the water)
Romans 6:17
But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
And there are many, many more.
Who is the "you" you are speaking of here?! Even the Catholics are against those things and believe in the deity. smh Absolute foolishness.
Apart from Calvinists, most Baptist have more Biblical knowledge than any other denomination. And I'm not Baptist. There are Methodists too that are totally Biblically sound and many other denominations.
Nothing to brag about, Calvinism has it's own issues to deal with that contradict the Word.
I love how Revelation 13:8 confirms Ephesians 1:4-6, concerning God's Plan, to Sacrifice Jesus, for humanity's Salvation, before the Foundation of the Earth. "4 even as he chose "us" [[[in him]]] before the foundation of the world."
Sin, has to exist, before someone innocent can be deceived.
Sin, came into being, by the Adversary.
The Sentence of Sin, for humanity, however, came from human Disobedience.